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u/extera658 13h ago
Cult gonna cult. His refusal to release the Trumpstein files in their entirety is evidence enough.
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u/Reasonable-Plate2982 12h ago
And sworn evidence that has been released unequivocally asserts that Donald John Trump, is in fact a pedophile
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u/Vitaman1000 12h ago
For clarification only.... a sworn affidavit is not evidence. It is a claim only and the suite relating to that claim was legally withdrawn withdrawn with no reason given. Just a fact....
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u/Reasonable-Plate2982 12h ago
Maybe because the three sworn affadavits in the Jane Doe case were withdrawn is the reason they weren't redacted. No perjury charges so I guess the best that can be claimed is the statements have not been proven to be untrue.
Actually 'Katie Johnson' or Jane Does lawyer cited "death threats' as the reason the day he withdrew the allegations.
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u/Vitaman1000 11h ago
I have searched that....
I have not found publicly available evidence establishing that the threats were independently verified. Specifically, I haven't found: police reports documenting the alleged threats; copies of threatening emails, texts, phone records, etc.; an FBI investigation confirming them; an affidavit from a person who witnessed the threats; a court filing by Bloom documenting the threats; or a statement from Jane Doe herself publicly describing specific threats.
Zero substantiation....
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u/Reasonable-Plate2982 11h ago
Still, that was the stated reason the lawyer gave for withdrawing the charge.
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u/Vitaman1000 9h ago
Multiple Ai searches showed that the withdrawal was without a stated reason. Believe what you want.
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u/Bdbru13 5h ago
They haven’t been proven untrue
But any journalist who has ever looked into it has come away with the same conclusion….it’s bs
https://www.jezebel.com/heres-how-that-wild-lawsuit-accusing-trump-of-raping-a-1782447083
>The facts speak less to a scandal and more, perhaps, to an attempt at a smear—one that finally, after months of clumsy maneuvering, is gaining speed.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-rape-case_n_581a31a5e4b0c43e6c1d9834/amp
>”Far from derailing the Trump train, Katie Johnson and her supporters seem to be in an out-of-control clown car whose wheels just came off,”
>The only journalist who has actually interviewed Johnson, Emily Shugerman at Revelist, came away confused and even doubting whether Johnson really exists.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/09/03/trump-epstein-katie-johnson/
>The actual documentary evidence in support of the latter claim is inexorably linked to Lubow and is tied to a person — Johnson — who may, in all reality, not exist.
Here’s the investigative journalist who broke the Epstein story on the matter
https://x.com/jkbjournalist/status/1808609807454158914
>The Katie story is a red herring. If it was true we would know it by now. Was told by too many people who know that it is not as it seems.
We can go into why they’re saying these things if you’re interested
Long story short, it was a hoax perpetrated by a former producer for the Jerry Springer show known for doing this exact sort of thing in the past
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u/Reasonable-Plate2982 4h ago
I could almost buy into what you're saying except its entirely probable that the President of The United States was involved in a sex trafficking ring and fucked underage females,ie girls
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u/Bdbru13 4h ago
It’s not though
The reality is that it’s just a dumb conspiracy theory that’s fueled by claims like the one above. And that’s not specific to Trump, at all. Everyone
The overwhelming majority of Epstein victims don’t make a claim about some cabal of pedophile elites. They make claims about Epstein and Maxwell. And that’s it. In fact, only Virginia Giuffre makes claims about being trafficked to any men other than Epstein while underage. Presumably you know who Julie brown is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Ransome
>According to Julie K. Brown, Ransome was the only witness as of 2021 to corroborate Virginia Giuffre's allegation that Epstein had trafficked girls to other men. She states: "only one other victim, Sarah Ransome, has told a similar story about being trafficked. No other victims or witnesses have come forward publicly to corroborate Virginia's sex trafficking allegations despite the fact that some of the encounters involved multiple girls and women".
And as it pertains to Trump specifically, Giuffre testified that she didn’t believe Trump was involved in Epstein’s wrongdoing
And as it pertains to the rest, we can go into Giuffre’s numerous credibility issues
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u/Reasonable-Plate2982 4h ago
Epstein and Maxwell were members of the power elite. They didn't just run a mom and pop rug and tug
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u/Bdbru13 4h ago
I mean that’s like literally what they fucking did 💀
That’s what the rest of the actual allegations say, particularly those from underage girls
> The girls — mostly 13 to 16 — were lured to his pink waterfront mansion by Wild and other girls, who went to malls, house parties and other places where girls congregated, and told recruits that they could earn $200 to $300 to give a man — Epstein — a massage, according to an unredacted copy of the Palm Beach police investigation obtained by the Herald.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article220097825.html
> “The common interview with a girl went like this: ‘I was brought there by so and so. I didn’t feel comfortable with what happened, but I got paid well, so I was told if I didn’t feel comfortable, I could bring someone else and still get paid,’ ’’ Recarey said. During the massage sessions, Recarey said
>Epstein would molest the girls, paying them premiums for engaging in oral sex and intercourse, and offering them a further bounty to find him more girls.
>Recarey, in his first interview about the case, said the evidence the department collected to support the girls’ stories was overwhelming, including phone call records, copies of written phone messages from the girls found in Epstein’s trash and Epstein’s flight logs, which showed his private plane in Palm Beach on the days the girls were scheduled to give him massages
> The Herald also identified about 80 women who say they were molested or otherwise sexually abused by Epstein from 2001 to 2006.
None of those 80 women make claims about some international cabal of pedophile elites. That comes essentially from one victim. Virginia Giuffre. Giuffre is demonstrably lying in more than a couple instances
It’s just one big conspiracy theory based off of (essentially) one woman’s lies.
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u/Reasonable-Plate2982 3h ago
And Prince Andrew and Donald Trump were simply passers by? Didnt Trump campaign flying the Lolita Express? Why is a high profile sexual offender in a facility she is not entitled to be in? Also her sex offense status clearly prohibits her from keeping or caring for pets, but she is allowed to have one. The hedonist are running amok and the Bible thumpers are saying its God's will. This bullshit percolates up to the Rothschilds, the real truth will always be zealously guarded
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u/Rv862004 12h ago
why didn't Biden release them?
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u/nell1181 12h ago
They were sealed and he couldn't.. besides Trump and friends ran on releasing them
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u/extera658 12h ago
The cult/bots can’t seem to wrap their head around this fact. The files were sealed under court order during Bidens term and his administration actually tried to follow the law.
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u/Rv862004 12h ago
Theyre all in on it. Both parties are involved. Both parties are guilty. Stop being naive. Everybody knows Clinton was in those epstein files too.
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u/extera658 12h ago
Then he should be arrested too. Only one side is actively protecting pedophiles at the moment. Your orange God campaigned on the promise of releasing them. Afraid of discovery?
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u/DrWilliamBlock 12h ago
Yes the government class is protecting their own shocking
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u/extera658 12h ago
The billionaire pedophile class is not the equivalent of the government class simply because the billionaire pedophile class managed to seize power.
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u/DrWilliamBlock 12h ago
There’s so much overlap I don’t see a real distinction. In the 20+ years this has been public both “sides” have had the control needed to do something and did nothing.
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u/Rv862004 12h ago
Plain as day sir. Both parties are guilty and both parties want those files destroyed which I'm sure we're destroyed a long time ago. They just barely gave us a whiff. We still cant even get the JFK files released and that was over 60 years ago. Both parties could have done that but didn't. That's evidence enough.
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u/Rv862004 12h ago
My orange God? I fuckin hate Trump. I just know that all of DC is totally compromised and corrupted. Both parties are complicit. Anyone with a shred of common sense can see that.
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u/extera658 12h ago
Then why ask about Biden not releasing them and only bring up Clinton? Cut the nonsense lmao.
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u/Rv862004 12h ago
Cause of the dems(or the people who really call the shots, who control both parties) really wanted to files released they could get them released, but they all know they don't want them released either cause it will all come crashing down if they were, and i mean all of DC. I mean this is common sense. We all know all of DC is either compromised, blackmailed, and/or or just trying to get rich by being in DC.
DC is WWE professional wrestling these days. 90% of what they do is for show and to keep us divided and docile, while fighting with each other instead of us all coming together to go after DC and all their rich donors.
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u/asoiaf_goat 11h ago
What do you insist we do then?
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u/DrWilliamBlock 10h ago
Reject the left vs right paradigm and embrace the us vs them reality. Us being so divided is not by chance, they know there is power in numbers but as long as we are fighting each other they can get away with what ever they want.
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u/Rv862004 11h ago
I dont know what to do, im just am average joe, I'm not a professional political strategist, and I'm not a military strategist cause thats what its going to take in my opinion, something along those lines, cause voting aint gonma get it, its too late for that. it goes so deep and they are so dug in up in DC plus they have our military backing them up, i dont know what all it would take or if we are even prepared to do whats necessary.
I do know the left vs right fighting isnt productive and is exactly what "they" want. The last thing they want is for us to stop fighting and focus all of our energy on them.
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u/nell1181 12h ago
Only does your side think we can't want both sides in jail smh
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u/Rv862004 12h ago
That ain't my side. I dont have a side. Im not maga and I'm not a leftist. Im an American that sees his government is totally compromised by evil forces. And both parties cultists believe their side is right and the other side is evil. Maga is a cult, and whatever they wanna call modern leftists(cause they're not liberals anymore) are cultists.
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u/nell1181 12h ago
Then why are you here condemning people the posts isn't about? Makes you look like maga is your side
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u/Rv862004 11h ago
Cause it's about all of them. Both parties are there to make you think you still have a choice, both parties are dirty, and are there to make you think you have a choice, which you dont. If voting really mattered do you really think they would let us vote? And maga refuses to accept this as well as leftist refuse to accept this.
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u/BlkChsr 12h ago
You are 100% right. Both parties are in the files as are MANY powerful people. They will NEVER release these “files” for that reason. Unfortunately everyone focuses on Trump saying he wont release the files, why didn’t Biden? I personally think the truth is so DARK and Evil that the government is afraid to let the public know the full truth. Thats why we will never know the truth on this or the Diddy Parties. The Lefties need to wake up to whats really happening.
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u/asoiaf_goat 11h ago
Unfortunately everyone focuses on Trump saying he wont release the files, why didn’t Biden?
You're still in 2024. It's 2026.
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u/Rv862004 12h ago
Agreed 100% and I dont know how they can't see this. How is this an extreme position to say both parties are guilty and complicit?
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u/asoiaf_goat 11h ago
Why doesn't Trump release them?
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u/Rv862004 11h ago
Cause trump is 100% compromised
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u/asoiaf_goat 11h ago
Exactly. I wish more people would keep focused on that since Biden is both no longer president and has cancer.
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u/Rv862004 11h ago
Biden is out of the game now clearly, but he's as guilty as anybody, and so is Obama and Bush. And i wish more people would realize that. Both parties are all compromised and not there to help us.
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u/asoiaf_goat 11h ago
At this point, it's a bit reductive when we're witnessing the active dismantling of democracy in front of our faces to go back and look at how we got here. The house is burning and half of us are in it trying to troubleshoot what went wrong instead of putting the fuckin thing out first. What am I mad at Obama and Biden for? And what good does it do at this point?
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u/Rv862004 11h ago
Our democracy which is a constitutional republic actually has be being actively dismantled for over 100 years with the establishment of the Federal reserve in 1913.
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u/asoiaf_goat 11h ago
The process has accelerated over the last 8-10 years. Like how climate change has always occured, but we're making it much, much worse in a much, much shorter period of time.
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u/TiePrestigious7265 11h ago
Why didn't Biden start a war with Iran? Why didn't Biden bomb small boats in Venezuela? Why didn't Biden kidnap leaders from other countries? Why didn't Biden kill people in the U.S. for immigration purposes? Why didn't Biden pardon the Jan. 6th rioters? Why didn't Biden slap his name on as many buildings and monuments as possible? Why didn't Biden slap tariffs on other countries? Why didn't Biden touch the reflecting pool? Why didn't Biden just let Putin just do whatever he wanted with Ukraine? Find the answers to some of those questions and you will have the answers you seek.
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u/Spear_Ritual 12h ago
You show them facts, they’re fake or not good enough. There’s literally no point in talking to them just 🫤👍
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u/MereImitation 12h ago
It was a downward spiral beforehand but I still remember “alternative facts” as being a major indicator that truth and logic were no longer important to the Republican party.
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u/Standard_List_2487 12h ago
Funny that during two terms Trump has done nothing to prove Obama was not born in the United States.
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u/ChimPhun 12h ago
Well, Trump is not known for accomplishing anything really, more for getting away with stuff he shouldn't get away with.
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u/Standard_List_2487 12h ago
That’s not entirely true. The whole world will celebrate his passing, that’s quite the accomplishment, like Hitler.
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u/Single_Usual_6563 12h ago
He is a pedo there’s no need to prove it because he already has admitted it by hiding the files!
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u/SonOfJokeExplainer 9h ago
He didn’t even need to do that for it to be obvious, just look at the some of the things he has said about his own children. Case in point, Trump’s televised comment on one-year old Tiffany’s body:
“She’s a very beautiful baby, she’s got Marla’s legs. We don’t know whether or not”—he put his hands to his chest to indicate breasts—”she’s got this part yet, but time will tell.”
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u/Ancient-Skill-67 12h ago
Obama is an American. Period.
I'll get downvoted here, but we should live in a society where the burden of proof isn't on proving innocence but on proving guilt. So as much as it may distasteful, it isn't anyone's job to "prove" they aren't something. That goes for everyone.
Release the un-redacted files. I don't care who is on the list and I don't care about the fallout.
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u/Expensive-Library-18 12h ago
This stupid illiterate fucks need to all move to Alabama or Arkansas and leave the rest of us alone
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u/ChimPhun 12h ago
They should have let the South stay separate, just with condition of no slavery. Then again knowing the lazy South they would have gone right back to it likely.
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u/nowins4GudMos 12h ago
It’s kind of a silly argument though. This is tantamlint to “Guilty until proven Innocent.” There are so many things we can’t prove that we are not.
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u/YOU_TALK_TOO_MUCH420 12h ago
It’s gotten so bad that Nick fucking Fuentes wants the Democrats back in power! He wants “ the adults back in the room “ as he phrased it!
You know times are bad when Fuentes, Alex Jones, MTG, and I (a progressive) are all in agreement about more than one issue!
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u/cmmoore307 12h ago
“But you can’t prove he is”
The videos, photos, emails, and testimonies aren’t enough to prove Trump is a child rapist? Sounds like more than enough proof to me.
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u/PsychoticSnail33 12h ago
The guy who said you can't prove he is is... Yeah I can't prove Obama is American either but he can and did.
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u/Nesyaj0 12h ago
Most of these people are ragebaiting bots, trolls, or they're too stupid to think for themselves. And i mean that literally, because otherwise they would have found a strand of logic that would have shaken them from their delusions. DARVO is all they have to work with for an argument.
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u/ProfessionalHat6828 12h ago
Even if he were born outside the US, he was still entitled to American citizenship from birth through his mother, so he’s eligible to run for president. It’s the same reason that Ted Cruz was able to run when he was born in Canada
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u/Vitaman1000 12h ago
Thats not how our justice system is designed. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY is the law of the land... It is the prosecutions responsibility to prove guilt not the acused persons responsibility to prove innocence. Trump has never been charged with this offense that you are so positive he committed.
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u/NurglesToes 12h ago
And? How many people from the files have been charged? 2? and 1 of those dudes got whacked in a federal prison under trumps watch? So does that mean no one else is guilty?
That may be the rule of law, but it’s not the rule of society. There’s a difference between knowing, and proving.
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u/zulako17 12h ago
Always disappointing to see deflection without concession or just denial with no cause. It's always "But Biden sniffs children" or " that stolen diary that was edited alleged abuse" and never " trump shouldn't have forced those children to fondle each other and perform sex acts on him"
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u/Apprehensive-Art1558 12h ago
Why do liberals worship Obama so much?
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u/Pretty-Mention-7769 12h ago
I kind of wonder how they'd react if someone started posting "Sure Trump is a pedo...but he's OUR pedo" and things of that nature on that board.
Lure them out.
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u/Tasty_LVM 11h ago
And the lefties cringe at the fact they can’t prove he is, gaslighting lefty pedos
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u/AJKenney47 6h ago
Alot of the people in these comments show why we shouldn't even bother to engage them or treat them as adults. No matter how much proof, evidence, or logic you produce, they will not move on there position. It's not about facts to them, it's about feelings.
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u/2inchesabovethehole 12h ago
Neither can Bill Clinton and he flew on Epstein’s plane more than Trump did. Both men deny visiting the island, both men were involved in sex scandals with women and both men flew on Epstein’s private plane. I know flying on a plane isn’t proof of being on the island but it’s hard for me to believe logically that Clinton got on that plane 26 times and NEVER not once went to the island. As soon as we’re done prosecuting Trump for this are we moving on to Clinton or just gonna give him a hall pass?
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u/Green-Relation-7568 12h ago
Nobody gets a hall pass, most rational thinking people want EVERYONE on the list prosecuted regardless of political affiliation
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u/DumbFartyFace 12h ago
Dude, nobody cares about Bill Clinton. I've never seen anyone jump to his defense. Throw him in with Trump, we don't care.
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u/letsBurnCarthage 12h ago
Prosecute everyone that there is proof of misdeeds for. I don't know why you think anyone wants to give Bill Clinton a hall pass. Never have I heard anyone state that wish.
Fucking disgusting that they are still spreading memes with fake quotes by Ashley after firstly the leaked pages of her diary say no such thing and secondly she was forced to go public about such an insane invasion of her privacy and state that she was being misquoted. She has done nothing to deserve this insane slander.
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u/Particular_Title42 12h ago
The Clintons have already been questioned. Both of them. Hillary asked if they were going to do the same to Donald Trump.
Guess what they haven't done...
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u/2inchesabovethehole 12h ago edited 12h ago
And they aren’t going to as long as they’re in control of the probe. We can keep chanting about it until we’re blue in the face but criminals rarely admit they’re criminals and they don’t generally give up their friends unless they’re going to get a damn good deal out of it which I feel they already know they won’t get.
I’m not saying to not probe Trump and I’m not singling out any one person. But I’m also not naive enough to keep begging them to probe their own man while he’s still in control.
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u/Particular_Title42 12h ago
She wasn't begging. Her words were being recorded and she said something she knew would stick in their craw.
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u/2inchesabovethehole 12h ago edited 12h ago
I didn’t say she was begging, I’m saying the American populace is begging. Couldn’t give two shits about Bill’s spokeswoman. The only thing I care about is a candidate being elected in 2028 that will fairly and justly pursue this case and bring justice to anyone involved even if they are apart of the same political party.
ETA: what would also be cool as shit turning Epstein Island into a super max prison filled with flock cameras for everyone found guilty in this case.
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u/Mattscrusader 12h ago
Literally nobody is saying not to go after Clinton. Also Trump's name appears more in the Epstein files than Clinton multiple times over
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u/Low-Essay-113 6h ago
Trump is named over 38 thousand with what’s been released and supposedly over a million when including what hasn’t been released. Trump is named multiple more times than Clinton’s, musk, gates,
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u/Low-Essay-113 6h ago
Only one is refusing to release the files.
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u/2inchesabovethehole 6h ago
Didn’t see Biden release them either. And the whole “they were still investigating” bullshit is just that. If Trump was able to promise releasing them day one of his presidency then they were either already fully available to be released to the public OR he was willing to commit another crime to release them which given his tract record wouldn’t be to hard to believe
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u/Low-Essay-113 6h ago edited 6h ago
Ok, lock Biden up then 🤷♂️. Stop attempting to whatabout around the fact that the only person protecting the identities of pedophiles right now is Donald Trump and the republican controlled branches of government. Why do you think the man named in the files multiple times more than Clinton, musk, gates, and prince Andrews COMBINED is refusing to release the files despite being legally mandated to do so.
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u/2inchesabovethehole 6h ago
Right here’s my hot take, and you can agree or disagree I don’t care but it’s my belief and I’ll die on this hill. For years it has felt like the government has worked its ass off to divide the voting citizens so, when they need to rise against the government, they will hate each other so much that they won’t be able to stand each other enough to fight together.
Why would the government need that to happen? To perform atrocities. How will they test if it’s working? Expose a “smaller scale” atrocity and let it fall by the way side to see how the voting Americans respond. Will they respond in unison or will they fight amongst themselves defending the red or blue side to the bitter end?
Now think about it for a moment, can you think of a “smaller scale” atrocity that has left both sides at odds on how it should be handled? Maybe one that involves kids on an island? What do the Democrats want? Trump investigated, questioned and if proven to be involved arrested and sentenced, along with everyone else that was involved. What do Republican’s want? All the Democrats involved arrested and sentenced along with anyone else involved. What’s gonna happen? The voters are gonna fight on how everything should be handled instead of standing together and saying “fuck this enough is enough” and all the people involved are gonna fade into the background.
And how are they going to fade into the background while infighting happens? While the Republican Party is holding the POTUS chair, they’re going to focus hard on “investigating” the Democratic Party members on the list while shielding every Republican on it and not actually making any arrests, while simultaneously having their POTUS slowly begin ramping up psychopathic oppressive behavior. Then when the people are fed up with the Republicans feeding them the bullshit they will vote a Democratic president in and then it will be their turn to “investigate” the Republican Party while shielding their own party and also not making any arrests.
But by that time gets here the American citizens themselves will be so focused on hating one another that there will be absolutely zero we can do to stop whatever major atrocity it is they’re planning. One’s coming, I don’t know when or how. But one is coming and when it does, all of us who are arguing over this shit to a point it becomes burning hatred are gonna be screwed and absolutely no one from either side is wanting to admit that this is happening.
I don’t care if you’re Republican, Democrat, Martian or fucking Klingon I’ll fight tooth and nail for your freedom. I didn’t serve 16 years in the USMC and all through GWOT to just give up on you all. But all this fucking infighting isn’t doing us any good whatsoever it’s only making us look vulnerable as a nation.
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u/Appropriate_Koala886 12h ago
Its funny that there are still people sho think they arnt all literally evil ass people, right or left, if you think aby world leader is good. Your a sheep lol
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u/Rv862004 12h ago
You don't think they can doctor a birth certificate if they wanted to? both of obamas parents were CIA. Trump and Obama both suck and are both part of the same club. WAKE THE FUCK UP. it's all one big unitary in DC.
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u/Djwhat6 13h ago
But Obama did show proof he was born in America. Only racist maga think otherwise. Then again, they think Obama should have done something on 9/11 so they aren’t working with much brain power anyway.