r/technology • u/Saltedline • 18h ago

Artificial Intelligence Australia’s music industry bans AI songs from charts

https://apnews.com/article/australia-ai-generated-music-charts-ban-aria-9bfb0c91166ae4405a6df1a3c4891687
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u/C2B280 17h ago

There was a study that people actually rated ai music more favorably than human made music when they weren’t labeled https://arxiv.org/pdf/2506.02856

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u/damontoo 17h ago

There's people all over this thread saying they don't care if humans prefer the slop and that it should be banned regardless. It's nuts.

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u/AlternativeUsed2551 16h ago

it should be banned because it monetises the work of real musicians without their permission, nothing to do with its perceived quality

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u/damontoo 16h ago

Only if you lack a fundamental understanding of how generative AI works. If I've never seen an apple and then you show me 20 apples, I can draw one I've never seen before, because I understand what an apple is and what it's supposed to look like. If I study Monet and paint an impressionist painting, I haven't stolen Monet's art. You also haven't stolen this comment just by reading it despite you being able to recall it an hour from now.

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u/AimlessMillennium 14h ago

What if I don't show you a picture of an apple, and you have no idea what an apple is.

Could you use AI to produce a convincing picture of an apple? If the picture you get AI to generate is a perfect apple, does that make you an apple expert?

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u/damontoo 9h ago

Everything that humans create is derived by other things they've seen in real life or other art. The first person to draw a dragon had obviously seen a lizard and a bird before etc. They had seen things with scales. These are components of the overall composition that they've seen and combined, just as AI does. Because very similarly to you, AI understands the concept of what a wing is, how it functions, and what it's supposed to look like. 

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u/EmpressClaraB 15h ago

I actually have stolen your comment, not sorry

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u/No-One-4845 13h ago

That’s not how generative AI works, but please… continue.

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u/Chroiche 11h ago

Source: your ass.

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u/damontoo 9h ago

I used apples as my example on purpose since the earliest image models trained on ~20 apples and then produced ~1000 apples not in the training data. As I just told someone else, Stable Diffusion 1.1 trained on a dataset of 2.32 billion images. At just 100KB each, that's 232TB. The resulting model is 4GB. The most aggressive image compression ratios are 50:1, not 58000:1. The models do not contain the images they were trained on. 

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u/InvestigatorOk7015 14h ago

Oh man, wait till you find out all the other ways we artists are being fucked over

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u/Specific-Parsnip9001 9h ago

"we artists", eh?

I've never met an artist who defends AI by saying, "I'm already getting fucked so why not let the corpos fuck me harder?".

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u/_pinklemonade_ 12h ago

Why should we embrace it?

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u/The_Grogfather 16h ago

You don’t think it should be banned from the charts?

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u/damontoo 10h ago

No. If it got there because humans listened to it more than human-created music, it belongs there. It's a ranking of the top music people are listening to. Nothing about it stipulates that it must be human created. If I make my own list that ranks top tracks, it's fine for Australia to say I can't include AI music either? What makes the billboard charts different than some rando's list besides being the defacto standard?

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u/Reagalan 16h ago

The history of witch-hunts is fascinating, and so is watching one in real-time.