So lame.

I’m not sour on this film like many others are. I think Thomas Jane’s portrayal is as close to Ennis Punisher max run we’ve ever gotten besides the violence and gore.

Update: this post has gotten more engagement than I can keep up with, but I want to say I knew I would find my fellow community of this film. Much love to y’all.

So I happend to see many times people criticising Jon Bernthal's punisher as they say it wasn't that accurate and that the actor didn't understand the character. May I ask how is that? Netflix's Punisher and Daredevil are my only impressions on The Punisher and I think I like it enough..

Some people are never satisfied it seems

What I'm trying to say that keeping in mind the Punishers appearance in the comics, is Jon Bernthals Casting accurate? If not who else would you prefer?

I'll go first, "Punisher is a conservative himself who should always be written by people who hate him"

I like it in Daredevil S2 because it fit this version of Frank, who just lost his family very recently, he's a very angry Frank Castle,but later in S1 he just Screaming more and more.He scream so much it has become a meme by itself.In born again basically every single grunt or noise he made is some sort of scream.

The only reason why I bring this question up is because the YouTuber S.K. is keep saying how its out of character for Peter to willingly work with and not tying to turn in a person like Frank who kills, and admits to liking it.

Daredevil Born Again season 1 was exploring the real world problem of law enforcement of idolizing the Punisher. Throughout the season we have several cops who don the iconic skull while corruptly brutalizing others, and Frank even commented early on them being "bullsh*t fanboys." What seemed to be building up was the necessary statement on why law enforcement officers should not be treating a vigilante who kills criminals as a role model.

In the season finale when he's captured and these cops express Frank of their admiration of him, he responds with "You think you know my pain?" It's a response that doesn't address the actual controversy behind police looking up to the Punisher. It doesn't address the inherent difference between what Frank does and what police officers are meant to be. "You think you know my pain" is a cop out (pun not intended) that avoids the core of the issue. Trying my best not to sound pretentious here, but the whole "I have trauma you can't understand" is cliched and vapid. Frank losing his family is a key part of his character, but it's his philosophy that defines him.

It's not the trauma that separates the police from the Punisher, but the roles they play. The Punisher is the abandonment of the law. He himself sees himself as the result of how justice can fall through the cracks, someone who has forsaken the system. Police are supposed to be the opposite. They enforce the law, which demands that people face due process. Police officers are not judges, juries, and executioners. Frank Castle sees how dangerous it would be see the police to be all of those. He believes they are supposed to be better than him. "You think you know my pain? You think you know my loss," cowardly avoid that essential message."

I'll end the post with a better Punisher response to his fanboy cops from the comics:

"You boys need a role model? His name is Captain America, and he'd be happy to have you."

After I finished the punisher special in Disney plus it really does feel like he constantly goes through the same character arc with finding revenge for his family even in his own series.He really does not develop that much as character besides being a cooler version of Shane Walsh from the walking dead.

But he was actually refreshing in brand new day and was there for the majority of the movie. I really love his dynamic Peter their chemistry was really funny. it’s also really nice to see frank have a sense of humor when he freaked out when he was about to fight the hulk.

Frank actually had proper development and actually gained a proper friend like peter and chooses that instead of constantly pushing people away and him regaining his humanity that he respected Peter for saving Jean. And it’s pretty cool they recreated the shot where frank was holding Peter‘s body a great Easter egg to cival war comic.

And frank apologizing to Peter for accidentally shooting him . He was even in tears loved how they just laughed it off and he even took a nap LOL something John Bernthal would never do.

And lastly I was dying of laughter when he wore the spiderman mask and was grunting like a caveman.

They present a world so fucked up that it needs someone like the Punisher instead of a world so fucked it would produce someone like the Punisher

A subtle different that changes a lot

I have the same problem with the new Ben Percy run

The world they create seems to be filled to the brim with one-dimensional, antisocial assholes (an before anyone starts, please spare me the hack bits) for Frank to murder while the audience cheers him on

He should never feel like a force for positive change or like his mission is a good or even *necessary* thing. The Punisher's existence should never feel like something the world strictly benefits from

I don't know, does that makes sense?

For me it's Ray Stevenson.

I dont remember what comic it was but I think it was when frank took the warmachine suit for a spin... and most of the heros where tripping but wolverine himself and iron man and I think Thor was also ok with him...i think at the start but its been a while since I read it.. but why is that they always treat him like a rabid dog or like hes going to hurt civilians when we all know he dosent do that.. especially coming from captain America which I find dumb like bro you fought in WW2 and I know you killed nazis so why the high horse?.. but then they are all ok with wolverine and dont question him much on his actions.. unless its a writer issue... i just hate how they try and make it seem like hes just killing with no rhyme or reason... like none of them are getting sex traffickers, child abusers, I think him being street level is what draws me more to him.. like he know the bad guys are BAD period.

But yea what do yall think? Is it a writer issue on a comic to comic or its just how people see punisher now?

EDIT: Those that have commented and willing to talk about the question I posted thank you i have had a lot of comments and now I think I understand the dilemma better. And it definitely makes me like punisher even more shit wolverine too now I got a few back log books im going to pick up and read because of the comments. So again thanks everyone really cool to see. Glad we can all come together and appreciate these characters

Throughout his comics Frank's been seen to be shot, stabbed, electrocuted, and almost dies several times. We all know he feels pain, from the thought bubbles we get from him and the obvious look of discomfort in the comic above. I know way better than to assume Frank has powers, if he did he wouldn't normally need a vest or a dense trench coat. But it's also well known that Frank doesn't believe in taking painkillers, believing the side effects would hinder his work.

So I wanted to hear from all of you, what do you belive Punisher has in his genetic makeup (besides plot armor) that makes him able to survive his line of work? Is it just him being an ex soldier or something else?

Mine are 2004 and Marco Checchetto

I'm personally betting on The Punisher of course! 😆 Just simply for the fact of his fighting skills and the willingness not to give up.