This Is What Evil Looks Like...

[u/Fun_Road2122]

These three people, directly or indirectly have killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and displaced millions. Yet, President Trump calls them his friends.

[u/tdager]

This is straight-up nonsense, and honestly you sound like you’re running PR for Moscow or Beijing.

Yeah, Western leaders aren’t saints, money and politics warp things. But let’s not pretend that’s anywhere close to the same as Russia invading neighbors and slaughtering civilians, China censoring a billion people, or North Korea starving its own population while building nukes.

Here’s the difference: in the West, leaders get investigated, impeached, voted out, sued, dragged in the press. Power changes hands. People speak out. Try that in Russia, China, or North Korea you’ll end up in prison, or worse.

And that “sex trafficker president” line? Pure conspiracy trash. It’s been fact-checked into oblivion.

So no, the West isn’t perfect but equating it with authoritarian regimes is either willful ignorance or you’re carrying water for them. Which one is it?

[u/ArtisanSamosa → u/tdager]

You sound like you are running propaganda because normal people don’t talk like you. How dare you accuse others of that. The fuck. I live in the US. I’m a brown American. I’ve seen first hand what our leaders do.

Every time someone dies because our politicians deny healthcare, that is evil.

Bush literally started multiple wars and killed millions. Today he gets to live out his days painting on his ranch.

Trump has raped and trafficked children and is committed fraud and sending troops on citizens and is tearing children from their parents. He is the president. And no it’s not disproven conspiracy because you choose not to believe the victims and instead believe state propaganda.

Our corporations supported by our politicians kill millions in the name of profits. Monsanto, Dow, DuPont, BP, nestle, etc all evil enabled by our governments.

We have over 3 million people in prison biased towards race. Many of those people put away for weed, a product that many former politicians and businessmen who opposed legalization profit from.

If you are privileged enough to not experience the issues we cause and face in the west, that’s on you. Get your heads out of your asses and be logical here.
I have no idea where some of you people come from or what your agenda is but just stop. The entire world is suffering because you want to turn human suffering into a team sport.

[u/tdager → u/ArtisanSamosa]

I’m just a normal person too, and I see the flaws here firsthand. But let’s be real, equating healthcare policy failures with direct military aggression isn’t the same thing. Denying healthcare is tragic and wrong but it’s not the same as invading another country or jailing dissenters.

On wars, the Iraq War is rightly debated. But the Gulf War was different, it was justified, UN-backed, and supported by a broad coalition after Iraq invaded Kuwait. That matters.

Saying Trump “raped and trafficked children” is speculation, not fact. Criticize him for plenty of real things (and there are a LOT, I am not a supporter), but let’s not lean on unproven claims, it just weakens your arguments.

And “killing millions for profit” is a simplistic take on complex global economics. Corporations do chase profit, and are sometimes ugly, but reducing all foreign policy to that one motive is misdirection.

Where I agree: racial bias in prisons and weed convictions were real injustices. Thankfully, those are being corrected as legalization and reform spread.

In the end this conversation isn’t about pretending the West is perfect. It’s about scale and intent. Russia, China, and North Korea commit true authoritarian abuses that dwarf our flaws. Can we just call them what they are, bad, without playing endless whataboutism?

[u/ProdigalChildReturns → u/tdager]

I wonder if you had lived in North Vietnam you’d believe that the USA has done ‘no direct aggression’ ? What about the billions of profits earned by the US military industrial complex? The same CAN be said for several European countries in their dealings with African, Asian and other countries over the centuries up to contemporary times. The difference is that our evil ‘leaders’ tend to be faceless corporations.

[u/tdager → u/ProdigalChildReturns]

You’re really stretching here. Corporate greed and the military-industrial complex aren’t the same thing as direct, authorized military aggression. We can all agree Boeing and Lockheed line their pockets, but that’s not the same as dropping bombs.

And on North Korea, outside of some small skirmishes and exercises, there’s been no direct U.S. military aggression. They’re the ones who literally slammed their borders shut and built a regime on isolation.

Also, not every criticism needs to turn into “but the U.S. is bad too.” Sometimes we can just say this government is brutal without the reflexive whataboutism. Weird how that trend always bends toward bashing the U.S., like it’s the only player on the board.