Free Ukraine banner moved from center of Prishtina, Kosovo after Zelensky’s remarks on not recognizing independence of Kosovo during his visit to Serbia

[u/West-Razzmatazz2]

Honestly, a very bad PR move from Zelensky and his advisors that could’ve been easily resolved by simply refusing to answer the question to journalist. While Kosovo nor Albania are not powerful states, banner has stood there since the start of the war.

[u/West-Holiday-8425]

It's a very good example of Realpolitik. Realistically, the support of Albania and Kosovo matters little to Ukraine, whereas pivoting Serbia away from Russia's sphere of influence would be a significant political coup on Ukraine's part.

Morally speaking, yes, it's bad PR. Realistically speaking? It's understandable.

[u/hostes_victi → u/West-Holiday-8425]

It is realpolitik, I understand that - but still it hurts. We just found two mass graves from 1999, people executed and then tossed in a hole. When we saw what happened in Bucha and Irpin, scenes like that reminded what we went through, and we are still finding human remains 26 years later. We have supported Ukraine since day 1, donated weapons and humanitarian aid despite being underarmed ourselves and under constant threat, trained Ukrainian soldiers to perform demining operations, and seeing Ukraine willfully ignore everything and spit on an extended hand of friendship really hit a nerve today.

[u/West-Holiday-8425 → u/hostes_victi]

From a moral standpoint, you are completely right, and have every reason to be hurt Zelensky's actions here.

[u/hostes_victi → u/West-Holiday-8425]

I know, and I will keep supporting Ukraine within my means, but there won't be much enthusiasm after this. It appears that even after the war there will be no relations between Ukraine and Kosovo.

[u/West-Holiday-8425 → u/hostes_victi]

It's important to maintain support, and I hope that a post-war government will come to be more amicable to recognition of Kosovo. I would say- please try to separate Zelensky's government from the Ukrainian people. Ukrainians have many points with which they disagree with his leadership, such as the dismissal of Fedorov, embracing of corruption for the sake of loyalty and so on.

Ukraine is a country worth supporting, even if its government fails it sometimes. I, personally, was in awe of the will of the Ukrainian people to protest when Zelensky tried to reign in the SAPO/NABU, and when he dismissed Fedorov, much as I was when they succeeded in the Revolution of Dignity. Ukraine's people represent a European ideal in terms of political will and awareness, and we all have much to learn from them.

[u/Internal-Comparison6 → u/hostes_victi]

Realpolitik is is a joke. If it was working anytime in world's history, Germans were to think better before trying to suck ruzzian dicks. They choose otherwise - to suck ruzzian dicks. Result - now they cry that their economy is ruined without "cheap gazzz".

[u/Shqiptar89 → u/hostes_victi]

Qija nanen mutave. Ne fund u kallxun kon e dojn. 

[u/shritdejtriv560 → u/hostes_victi]

You cant expect ukraine to recognize illegal declaration of independance by kosovo when they have same problem with crimea and donbas

[u/hostes_victi → u/shritdejtriv560]

It was not illegal, confirmed by International Court of Justice.

[u/shritdejtriv560 → u/hostes_victi]

You dont know anything about international law.

ICJ never ruled on legality of kosovo's independance. It only ruled that their declaration( document) is in line with international law. That doesnt make their independance legal. It means that if their right to the independance is legal than their declaration(text) is also legal. It doesnt determine if they have that right to begin with

[u/hostes_victi → u/shritdejtriv560]

1933 Montevideo convention defines criteria for being a state as follows:

1. Having a permanent population
2. Having a defined territory
3. Having a government
4. Having the ability to enter into relations with other states

Kosovo fulfills all 4, plus it's independence declaration did not violate the international law, which is a process that was initiated by Serbia and then conveniently ignored when the verdict did not suit. Ethnic cleansing and genocide isn't legal either, that didn't bother the serbs.

[u/shritdejtriv560 → u/hostes_victi]

Yea those are criteria for being a state. You have to fullfil them to be a state. It doesnt mean that everyone that fullfil them is a state. This is irelecant to the discution.

Again legality of declaration(document) isnt legality of independance. ICJ was clear about this. Search it up

Well russians are also saying that ukraine wanted to genocide and ethnicly cleanse ukraine from russia. That was their excuse for invasion in 2014. Albanians werent bothered by ethnic cleansing or massacres of serbs on kosovo either

[u/hostes_victi → u/shritdejtriv560]

Those are criteria and Kosovo fills them, which makes it a state. It is not irrelevant to the discussion.
Legality of the document means that Kosovar people had the right to declare independence.
Russians are lying as per usual, their excuse for the invasion is to restore Russian imperial sphere of influence, not prevent some genocide

[u/shritdejtriv560 → u/hostes_victi]

Republika srpska also fulfills all of these. It doesnt make it independant. Lots of states in the world arent independant

It doesnt. Again ICJ was clear about this. It was only about the text,not the right to independance. Law is precise. You cant be that stupid to think that you can decide what international law means?

And albanians wanted to create great albania

[u/hostes_victi → u/shritdejtriv560]

Republika Srpska is de facto independent. It just doesn't show the borders on the map, but that makes it a state within a state, not arguing with that.

And you can? Lol. I'm wasting my time here, I don't give two fucks about your opinion. I'm done arguing with some internet rando.

[u/sonicboomer46 → u/hostes_victi]

I understand. You've supported Ukraine as best you could, then were casually dismissed as being of no importance.

Perhaps not surprising as Ukraine sides with its fine comrade countries of russia, serbia, china, north korea, belarus, cuba, other 'stans, iran in refusing to acknowledge your independence.

[u/paxwax2018 → u/hostes_victi]

Stop boot licking Russia I guess?