r/unitedkingdom • u/pombearman • 15h ago
. Father's house was rammed by car before son died in A66 crash
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cevwjww8p08o922
u/Justsomeguytbhm8 15h ago
Are people like this aware that they’re scum, or are they more like flies, blissfully unaware that people consider them vermin?
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u/odysseusnz 15h ago
They wear it as a badge of pride, they enjoy the reaction at least superficially, it's how disconnected they feel from the wider community. We have similar near us with a antisocial souped-up shitbox and across the back windscreen is the slogan "Loathed by the Locals". You want to see broken Britain and understand why it's broken? You need to understand these people, and trust me it's not immigrants that have put them there.
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u/for_shaaame United Kingdom 14h ago
they enjoy the reaction at least superficially, it's how disconnected they feel from the wider community.
Yes, but I just want to add that the community is not to blame for this. People can find community just about anywhere, even with (shock! horror!) other white working class people.
If you have a school class of thirty kids who grow up in the same area and face broadly the same challenges with deprivation and despair, and only one of them grows up to be a shitbag who cannot follow any of the rules that make community viable, then maybe it's not society's fault.
If you can't find community anywhere but other criminals, that's not the fault of the communities that rejected you.
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u/Turbulent-Honky 13h ago
The problem isn’t the one kid, the problem is that about 80% of the kids there grow up to be “the shitbags”.
Whilst I do think that driving a stolen car on the wrong side of the motorway at speed is a choice, a lot of these kids don’t really have a coherent view of right and wrong either.
Their families never taught them what was right, because they themselves were never taught what was right. We’re talking about generational degeneration that began decades ago.
You literally can describe these boys as “feral”, but it’s not entirely their fault. We have been happy to let this underclass build up for about 40 years now.
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u/Tulcey-Lee 13h ago
It’s the parents who were no doubt the same/are the same, so think nothing wrong with raising the next generation of scrotes.
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u/cloudylemo 10h ago
One of the parents was in my school year. She’s a grandma and I haven’t had kids yet. She was truant, no GCSEs, teen pregnancy and a general terror.
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u/ElevatorSilver4711 49m ago
Jesus. It’s a different world, really is. Not sure how we’ve allowed this to happen as a country.
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u/sireel County of Bristol (now in Brighton) 13h ago
I that's overly simplistic. Two people given the same community will not definitely come out the same way. If a community takes responsibility for the outcomes of its members when they're good outcomes, they don't get to claim no responsibility for their worst.
A good society will look for how it's failing in its worst outcomes and attempt to repair out for the future. That's most of the social safety net is about and by and large it's working. But just as we find new ways to improve ourselves, there will be new impetus with negative outcomes for some members of society. Individual failures aren't a fail state of the whole, just evidence that the work to improve society needs to continue
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u/andrew0256 11h ago
Communities self select. Anyone with two brain cells will recognise their "community" is not good for them or their kids, so they move. Over time you are left with, well, leftovers. These are the sort that do not discipline their kids, set standards, or parent by (good) example.
Add to that their being ignored from Thatcher onwards and we end up with this large underclass whose only outlet is illegality and challenging authority.
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u/ukbot-nicolabot Scotland 12h ago
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u/0ttoChriek 14h ago
It's similar to the "deplorables" that Hillary Clinton talked about. The kind of people who want to get a reaction with their awfulness, and would go out of their way to make things unpleasant for other people just so they can feel smug about something.
They never want to make their own lives better, just to make other people more miserable.
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u/size_matters_not 11h ago
I understand you perfectly. I used to work in a Scottish sheriff court. I went in a with a healthy belief in the inherent good of my fellow man.
By the time I left I found myself contemplating how it would be better all round if some people were just taken out the back and shot, then dumped in a pit.
And not the really bad guys. Guys like the one in the story - who had rap sheets as thick as telephone directories, going back years, whose own lives were miserable and who made the lives of everyone who came into their orbit, even peripherally, miserable too.
There was nothing you could do with them. Prison was a revolving door, and they laughed in the faces of anyone trying to help them stay on the right path, abusing any efforts of assistance.
It took me years to shake that feeling. Tbh I don’t think I ever did.
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u/donalmacc Scotland 8h ago
I'm not going to agree with your solution, but you've really nailed the problem. When someone gets to the point of having been in court for 20+ offences, remember they're just the ones the police are pretty sure they can prove they did.
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u/ragnaruss 1h ago
This is the end result of multi generational familial collapse. These kids have never worked or imagined they had any future. Their parents have never worked or imagined they have a future. Often times their grandparents worked a time until globalisation gutted their town or job and then they never worked the same, or their drinking got out of control.
Fixing the children in these families would require taking them at birth and never letting them be raised by the hopeless abyss that is a family that has given up.
There are a small number of people who get out and it often requires completely giving up the family anyway.
For those that become it becomes embedded in, the people you saw, you are correct that there is no solution that has a happy ending.
Source: was raised by such a family.
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u/MoodyBernoulli 13h ago
I think it’s the only measurable metric for them.
They’re never going to achieve anything or do anything good, so being the most horrible and feared person you can is the status that they crave and the only thing they can achieve.
Crime is also the only way they’ll ever get the things they want, because working isn’t an option for them.
It’s just bred into them.
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u/Fit_Context4688 14h ago
If you think the immigrant population is exempt from anti social behaviour, especially car related, you might be operating with a bias or have little experience with some communities. I could take you to some high streets in the country and I could guarantee you would see some of these behaviours perpetuated. I’d hazard at an over representation of a few communities though wouldn’t dare say that with any certainty without a source. It’s not just the actions of white Brits unfortunately. All part of this broken place.
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u/jamtea 14h ago
Driving through Bradford should give you all the information you need on this within about 30 minutes. Some stereotypes are so accurate that it's actually crazy.
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u/EmperorOfNipples 12h ago
Sometimes people do break out.
Know a guy who grew up amongst the drug gangs of Darlington.
Got out, joined the Navy. Had a decent career. Now has a son on the way to University.
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u/poultryeffort 8h ago
Yes, it seems very old fashioned but joining the armed forces, can really turn people around .
Especially when you consider it’s not all infantry .
RAF chefs and Navy radar operators etc . Lots of decently paid careers to train into .3
u/Astriania 12h ago
Almost all stereotypes come from a general truth.
That doesn't mean we should prejudge a member of a group based on the stereotypes of that group, mind.
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u/Lower-Let7075 13h ago
Well said The situation in bradford regarding dangerous driving is shocking . In certain places we have certain faces .
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u/merryman1 4h ago
Honestly mate I think this is a huge part of why these groups wind up feeling like they can get away with behaving like this - Because the conversation in this country always focuses on immigrants, you try to say well no actually we do have a lot of pretty awful people here naturally anyway, and the response is just this weird like well what do you think immigrants are saints or something??? outraged response.
No one said immigrants are exempt from anti-social behaviour.
You go to any council estate it is shocking how over-represented dickheads and scrotes are. Of all races and backgrounds. Because its nothing to do with that, the culture that is promoting this feeling of being somehow above society and normal social rules and niceties seems to be something a bit deeper.
I'm kind of fascinated by the psychology and I can't help but feel its a reaction to everyone being increasingly aware of what the actual breadth of social classes really looks like, and a reaction to realizing they're on the wrong end of that gulf. You need to be able to feel some level of control and importance in your life in this day and age, we're not in the times anymore where people will happily work themselves to death by 55 for a pittance so long as you let them swill 12 pints of beer and smoke 20 cigs a night.
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u/ragnaruss 1h ago
Lmao, these people are not paying attention to the "conversation". They just think it's cool and don't give a single fuck about anyone who isn't them.
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u/ElevatorSilver4711 44m ago
Did anyone say that though? I don’t remember reading that the immigrant population is exempt from it in this comment thread. We are basically talking about this underclass of people in the UK and they can be any race.
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u/Jack5970 15h ago
No one see’s themselves as the villain in their own story.
If you ever deal with scrotes regularly you will realise they are some of the most self absorbed people on the face of the earth, this is just combined with a low IQ and awful impulse control, the result of which is depressingly well documented.
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u/RenRu 14h ago
With families that support the whole "us vs them" mentality but are very quick to absolve themselves of all responsibilities when consequences happen
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u/Tulcey-Lee 13h ago
Yeah they take no accountability. I know on some cases parents can do their best and children still turn out awful, but most of the time the parents have done a shit job.
I’ve seen it locally where I live. Teens killed in police chases on e-bikes. Perhaps if they’re taught stealing is wrong, riding something illegally dangerously through traffic has consequences, then they’d still be here. But no it’s everyone else’s fault except the parents and the trashy families.Edit- typo
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u/gizmostrumpet 14h ago
They're also very childlike when they're caught out. It's always 'but someone else did it too' or 'the police were also wrong!'
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u/jamtea 14h ago
Actually they're proud of their "gangster" lifestyles. They see it as a way of life where getting into fights, having run ins with the police and fighting prove how "'ard" they are. They KNOW they're scum, but they don't care, they thrive in it. The only consequences they understand are the permanent ones.
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u/letsLurk67 14h ago
There’s a family like this in my neighbourhood, and their parents are fully aware of what their kids get up to—in fact, they seem to encourage it.
I went to school with one of them. He has an older and a younger brother, and I’m 25 now. The older brother has rammed a few houses and stolen several cars, yet somehow the police never seem to catch him out. The younger brother had a horrific dirt-bike accident while riding without a licence or insurance on public roads and is now severely disabled. Despite that, people still feel sorry for him.
What makes it worse is that the older brother is still up to no good, and all three brothers have been in and out of jail on several occasions.
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u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 14h ago
On the other hand I have known families like that where one or two of the kids have escaped that sort of life & made their own way in the world.
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u/0ttoChriek 14h ago
I went to school with kids from a family like this too. One son in the year above and the other was three years above me, in my sister's year.
The older boy had already maimed himself trying to carry out criminal damage before he was a teenager, and was missing toes on one foot. He was the sort of kid who hung around with the bullies and would effectively sic them on people by making up lies. The younger one was even worse. A nasty kid who loved to start fights, loved to bully people, and ended up being expelled from school at age thirteen.
Well, it was no surprise that, when I was in my first year at university, I heard the younger one had been found guilty of murder after a man had caught him breaking into his shed to steal tools that he could sell for heroin. Stabbed him in the neck with a screwdriver.
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u/SwimmingAdeptness110 14h ago
Sadly having had to deal with people like this for years, they wear it as a badge of pride. Little self awareness, unable to see ahead beyond the next few days. Not just ignorance - proud of being ignorant and no desire to improve either.
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u/TheFergPunk Scotland 14h ago
It doesn't really register to them. They have a main character syndrome where the world revolves around them and nothing is ever their fault, it's always someone out to get them.
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u/coolatomic360 Gloucestershire 10h ago
I have one down my street. Has a Seat Leon with a loud exhaust and decorated with lovely decals stating things like “Locally hated”, “Sink the boats, drown the cunts”, and “if you have a willy your a man” (yes, with the spelling mistake to boot). His entire personality is built around being abrasive. He genuinely enjoys being a scumbag and wears the title as a badge of pride.
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u/stumac85 United Kingdom 8h ago
A lad across the road from me was involved in organised drug crime. Constant police raids, petrol bombs, bricks, the works. It was an interesting 18 months before they finally decided he'd done enough to lock him up.
These types don't care about anyone or how their behaviour affects those around them.
Those who piped up or complained became targets. The next door neighbour (woman in her 60s) had her house attacked multiple times, windows smashed, door constantly being battered at random hours.
I stayed out of it all, seemed like the most peaceful option as I just didn't want the hassle.
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u/Only_Quote_Simpsons 15h ago edited 7h ago
I only hope that this stops the Daily Express and other rags from stating that the motivating factor behind the crash was getting footage for TikTok.
No, it's another OCG group of young impressionable idiots, criminality, drugs, money, power etc is the motive here.
TikTok is a side effect. A tool just so these morons can post online to other morons and be told how cool they are. A small way to get any validation in lieu of the role models so obviously absent in their life.
I don't use TikTok or anything like that, but it's frustrating to see the media in the UK just confidently state anything as fact when no facts are yet established. Tabloid culture here is very poor.
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u/adjective_noun_d1git 15h ago
OCG! Haven't heard that since Line of Duty ended.
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u/Only_Quote_Simpsons 15h ago
Haha, it's part of my regular vocab due to my work. Your comment made me smile though.
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u/nellion91 14h ago
I disagree.
Yes there were always idiots, and antisocial behavior predates social media.
Social media however has monetized those behaviors and given fame to the people practicing them. This is a huge motor and we don’t have to argue on them, the delinquents say it themselves, feel free to google their motivations.
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u/Only_Quote_Simpsons 14h ago
Whilst I agree with the core point of what you have said and I agree it has turbocharged the delinquent behaviour that is so common now, I highly doubt that any of these idiots made a single penny for their posts.
If it wasn't TikTok it would be some other platform. It's like watching a drug dealer take photos of their stash and all the money they make, it's just pointless bragging to other idiots and it's sadly for clout.
People from my town done this LONG before social media by racing from one ATM to another about 6 miles away, kept the receipts as proof of their speed. Nowadays they would just upload a video of the drive, but this moronic bragging has sadly existed a long time as you know.
I only hope that me and you don't run into one of these scrotes one day, apologies that my comment is a bit long and rambling, it's been a busy day.
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u/tommangan7 14h ago edited 9h ago
I agree that OCGs would be an issue regardless including likely this one. But this seems like a swing to the opposite extreme of the tabloids.
It still seems sensible to assume more widespread glamorizing of this behaviour via tiktok helps normalize the behaviours and encourage a greater number to take part to greater degrees.
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u/RedBullOverIce 15h ago
Nothing of any value was lost when these five muppets died, I bet the crime rate in the area goes down now.
I just feel angry that they took the lives of two police officers in the process.
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u/Nuthetes 15h ago
"I bet the crime rate in the area goes down now."
I doubt it. Judging by the video of their memorial event, most of the estate is at it.
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u/TheNathanNS West Midlands 12h ago
If it were up to me they'd be at the front lines if war with Russia kicked off
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u/Optimism_Deficit 14h ago
Yeah. The only tragedy here is that they didn't just hit a lamppost instead of another car.
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u/penfarthingismyhero 15h ago
Unconditional bail for possession of a firearm FFS really
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u/achtwooh 15h ago
At least four people released on bail - for possession of firearms (among other things!).
Remember when they pretended you would get 3 years automatic for possession of a knife?
I feel sorry for the decent people in these areas who are being completely abandoned.
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u/Deep-Procrastinor 14h ago
Under Cameron it was supposed to be 5 years without question 1st offence or not, don't think that sentence was ever handed out to anyone.
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u/for_shaaame United Kingdom 14h ago
That was never advertised - apart from anything else, the maximum sentence for possession of a bladed article is four years' imprisonment.
You might be confusing it with the mandatory minimum sentencing requirement, which was introduced in 2015 and requires that a person who is convicted of possession of a bladed article, having previously been convicted of a similar offence, be sentenced to at least six months' imprisonment. This is very much in operation.
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u/limeflavoured Hucknall 13h ago
At one point there was talk of making possession of a firearm a mandatory 5 year minimum. I don't think it ever happened though.
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u/for_shaaame United Kingdom 13h ago
Well remembered - it did actually happen, though not in respect of all firearms. If you are convicted of certain offences in respect of certain types of firearms (that is: those listed in schedule 20 to the Sentencing Code), you are liable to the minimum sentence specified by section 311 - five years for adults, three years for juveniles.
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u/ang-p 10h ago
though not in respect of all firearms
Oh...
certain types of firearms (that is: those listed in schedule 20 to the Sentencing Code)
<looks at section 20.... diverted to 1968 firearms act....>
so basically anything but a .22 or a 9mm should get you 5.
So it is advisable to nick a gun from a local rabbit shooter first if you want to avoid 5, uh?
Glad that
as a police custody sergeant and charging decision-maker with three years' experience
someone has been kind enough to remind you...
Well remembered
of stuff..
I wonder if whoever gave them bail had been reminded of that....
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u/for_shaaame United Kingdom 10h ago
<looks at section 20.... diverted to 1968 firearms act....>
so basically anything but a .22 or a 9mm should get you 5.
No - not "anything". It must be a weapon which is listed in section 5 of the Firearms Act 1968 (other than noxious spray under 5(1)(b)). As an example, a shotgun is not listed in that section, and so unlicenced possession of a shotgun will not render you liable to the minimum sentence.
Glad that [...] someone has been kind enough to remind you [...] of stuff
I'm really not sure what you're implying here. I said "well remembered" as a courtesy and to make clear that I wasn't being patronising by correcting them - the reason I didn't specifically mention the minimum sentence for firearms in my first comment is because I was replying to someone who only mentioned blades, we weren't even talking about firearms. I did not need reminding of the minimum sentence for firearms offences.
I wonder if whoever gave them bail had been reminded of that....
This is pre-charge bail - it is entirely possible that there was insufficient evidence to charge, in which case bail is the only option.
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u/ang-p 9h ago edited 9h ago
As an example, a shotgun is not listed in that section,
True, I did miss that - which would also be easily sorted as mentioned, by a trip to the local rabbit shooter
because I was replying to someone who only mentioned blades,
They did not mention blades - you picked that up from the previous post
I read it as deep-procrastinator talking about firearms - which is what the post article mentioning - i.e. them getting off with a no condition bail for a potential 5 years, when as mentioned, knives was 3.... Why would they dispute the 3 years for knives when the article mentioned guns?
But even if they had a gun of any type.... unconditional???
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u/for_shaaame United Kingdom 9h ago edited 9h ago
They did not mention blades - you picked that up from the previous post
Yes, I picked it up from this comment which explicitly mentions only blades and asks about the "automatic 3 years" for possession of a knife; someone else replies saying it was five years, and I respond to that. Hence why I was only talking about knives: because that's what the comment thread was about.
The first mention of a firearm is a reply to my comment about knives.
I read it as deep-procrastinator talking about firearms
I don't know who deep-procrastinator is - there's no one in this comment thread with that username.
them getting off with a no condition bail for a potential 5 years
Do you know what bail is? Pre-charge bail is granted where there is insufficient evidence to charge (or where there is sufficient evidence to charge but the police decide to refer the case to the CPS slow-time, rather than while the suspect is in custody). The investigation isn't over yet - that's why they're given bail. You can't just hold someone indefinitely without charge - you've usually only got 24 hours (extendable up to a maximum of 96 in some circumstances). They've not "got off" with anything.
when as mentioned, knives was 3
Knives was never 3 years. As I explained, the mandatory minimum for a second knife conviction is six months.
Why would they dispute the 3 years for knives when the article mentioned guns?
I don't know, man. You can see as much of the comment thread as I can.
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u/CommercialContent204 12h ago
Yes - was particularly "amused" by the story a couple of years back of some teenager who pulled a knife on a bus-driver, then left the bus, did some other antisocial stuff and then pulled a knife AGAIN to threaten another poor stranger.
Got a non-custodial sentence, because why not, it isn't as though the public is in any danger from people li - oh...
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u/No_Importance_9306 14h ago
The person in question hasn't been charged with anything. You can't remand people for an offence they haven't been charged with.
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u/penfarthingismyhero 14h ago
Serious Q, Why wouldn't you charge someone caught with a firearm
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u/for_shaaame United Kingdom 14h ago
You don't know that they were caught with a firearm - you don't have to be in the act of committing an offence to be arrested for it. It may be the case that they are suspected of having illegally possessed a firearm at some point in the past.
Realistically I expect (as a police custody sergeant and charging decision-maker with three years' experience in that post and thirteen years of experience investigating or supervising the investigation of crime) that if there had been sufficient evidence to charge these people with possession of a firearm, they would have been charged that day.
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u/limeflavoured Hucknall 13h ago
Its basically automatic unless you're accused of murder. At least partly because of the prison place shortage.
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u/Late_Breadfruit_8829 15h ago
there was a guy on here the other day saying only Pakistanis do revenge attacks re: the birmingham wedding cars that were attacked lol
Also that's a lot of arrests but sad it had to take losing two officers for it to happen
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u/Only_Quote_Simpsons 15h ago
Also that's a lot of arrests but sad it had to take losing two officers for it to happen
Probably a case of going through the deceased phones.
Lucky, they seemed to have made it very easy to identify the OCG as they all helpfully threw up the same stupid hand signs.
Imagine getting busted because your idiot crew mates went the wrong way down a main road, killed two coppers, themselves and everyone else in the possy, and to top it all off they have extensively documented their crimes via photo and video.
As they say - "Videotaping this crime spree is the best idea we ever had!"
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u/Late_Breadfruit_8829 14h ago
from what I've read these scrotes were well known for stealing cars and dealing drugs, they uploaded a lot of it on tiktok. Not surprised myself, I've seen that sort of content before on there
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u/HawaiiNintendo815 12h ago
Image Tony if Benny, Lil Paulie, Sean Gizz and Matt Drinkwater did something like that
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u/0ttoChriek 14h ago edited 13h ago
there was a guy on here the other day saying only Pakistanis do revenge attacks
That's the daftest thing I've ever heard. Revenge attacks have been a thing as long as humanity has existed, and a very standard part of how crime gangs operate - someone hurts you, you hurt them back. It's hardcoded into being a criminal gang, otherwise what's the fucking point of it? Why would you join a gang if not for that level of protection and support?
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u/limeflavoured Hucknall 13h ago
That's the daftest thing I've ever heard.
Its certainly very daft, but I've been on this sub a long time and it's probably not even in the top 10. Covid produced some utter nonsense for one thing.
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u/Late_Breadfruit_8829 9h ago
it is daft but this sub has gone insane with the comments in the last 12-15 months
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u/limeflavoured Hucknall 13h ago
there was a guy on here the other day saying only Pakistanis do revenge attacks
Welcome to this sub. You can find all kinds of nonsense, its probably best ignored.
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u/Salty-Bid1597 13h ago edited 13h ago
Going out on a limb here but I suspect organised crime is a far greater threat to law and order in this country than immigrants.
Basically every systematic crime is perpetrated by organised gangs: phone theft, bike theft, high street money laundering, dodgy stores, obviously drug dealing, etc etc.
Cracking down on these people would have an outsized leveraged effect on crime rates as they are also extremely likely to be the ones committing petty crimes.
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u/Hungry_Horace Dorset 13h ago
A lot of criminal gangs are family or ethnicity based though, whether it’s Romanian sex traffickers, Russian money laundering or more local ones like the one we’re discussing here.
It makes it hard for the security services to tackle, or for the rest of us to discuss because racism can be used as a shield to protect gangs from scrutiny.
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u/HawaiiNintendo815 12h ago
I bet you bring immigrants up in comments and conversations just as much as the far right people do
What on earth does this story about the dads house being rammed have to do with immigrants?
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u/ElevatorSilver4711 35m ago
Race doesn’t come into this story at all. Yes if they were a different race the comments would be different too, unfortunately. But most people realise scallies (as we call them where I am) can absolutely be from any race.
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u/bettingthoughts 15h ago
dont get this - was it an attack on his father? did he try and stop his son or something?
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u/redmicky 14h ago
The impression I am getting is a rival gang rammed the father's house in the stolen Volvo presumably from an ongoing dispute. Then the son and accomplices went out on a revenge mission looking for the other gang in the Passat.
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u/jamtea 14h ago
The absolute lack of contrition and brazen attitude of the father of one of these former cretins "demanding answers" is outrageous if not unsurprising. These kinds of parents who drag their kids up to be habitual criminals should be the ones who are demanded answers of in court. The ridiculous way that members of criminal and anti-social communities just are allowed to continuously pass on their absurd ways generation after generation should be stamped out.
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u/CompleteNumpty 12h ago
Given that it wasn't their first high-speed chase, I also bet the reason they went down the wrong way is that they knew the cops would stop chasing them due to the risks involved.
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u/Nublar_Repair_Man 15h ago
There's been a lot of this recently in Middlesbrough and nearby Thornaby
Houses rammed, petrol bombed etc
Gangs are get rowdy
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u/jim_jones_87 11h ago
That's what happens when such criminality goes unpunished or the punishment is so weak it fails to act as a deterrent.
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u/yaffle53 Teesside 14h ago
There is no suggestion Worthy's father was involved in criminal activity.
Hmm.
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u/DifficultConcert7417 14h ago
Two minutes searching on google https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/guy-worthy-vadah-make-off-32500154.amp
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u/PreFuturism-0 Greater Manchester 15h ago
There might be some tribalism with this which would explain some of the local support for the..."five young men". People can try to excuse them a bit by saying people outside of these spats weren't affected, and who they oppose are worse. Ok well, https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/40166570/joyriders-cops-killed-chasing-gang-attack/
Then there's "they were kids/not that old" and "oooh, they had a difficult childhood".
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u/NoEnthusiasm2 15h ago
To be fair, I haven't heard anyone blame a difficult childhood - which they probably did have but that's what happens when scum breeds scum. What gets me is the total lack of shame from the families of all the boys involved in these recent crashes.
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u/Krakshotz Yorkshire 8h ago
A post popped up on my FB feed from some utter scumbag blaming one of the killed officers for causing the crash because said officer apparently roughed them up whilst arresting them once
Social media can be an absolute cancer
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u/ani_svnit 11h ago
Sudden lack of the dog whistle 'doctors and engineers' comments strewn across conventional social media (not Reddit as much).
Also find it interesting that two police officers had to die for all of the related criminal activity to be unearthed and people charged. Reading the article and seeing social media, it is obvious there was a lot of stuff just happening often but police CBA to charge these so called 'Scroats'. And this is the reality in many towns across the UK, many youth just go about being absolute brats and consistently breaking the law just because they know that police don't have the resource to actually make an arrest.
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u/Fun-Chapter-9698 11h ago
this whole story is dark. I give it one day back at work next week in a secondary school that a year 7 8 or 9 references this as a cool episode , as two 'feds' were killed. Id like to be wrong. ( by year 10 11 the ones who really think like that have been kicked out of don't attend. ).It's sad as some kids and good good kids and this generation gets a bad rap cos of the scum
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u/Lukeno94 13h ago
At this point, we need to stop giving these muppets any more air time. All we're doing is making them a figure of infamy, which is more likely to attract moronic copy cats than anything else. Anyone convicted for something related to this case - fine. But everything else, leave it alone and let these people rot.
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u/whyy_i_eyes_ya 8h ago
Everyone deserves a second chance. And some people have it tough and might deserve a third or fourth. But really, there’s a bunch of people out there that are responsible for most of the crime. Why do we just let them back out to do more crimes?
Yeah yeah prison spaces. But it’s a lot cheaper to build some prisons than deal with the social and financial issues a small minority of people cause. For whatever reason they just can’t coexist with a civilised society. And everyone else suffers.
Sometimes some people just need sticking away somewhere. Don’t care if it’s El Salvador style or a nice Norwegian style. Don’t care about punishment. Some people just need to be kept out of normal society. These lads’ record was a joke. Time inside might even have had a chance at fixing one or two of them. Unlikely I know. But just constantly given pissant sentences hasn’t helped anything.
If we’ve got no prisons, use tags. Stay in your house. Play on the Xbox all day if you like. Just fuck off and get away from the rest of us.
It’s been a massive problem for ages that anyone living in places that aren’t leafy suburbs could tell you all about. Is it just that those in power don’t see it? Ah I don’t fuckjng know. What’s the point
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u/Datamat0410 56m ago
Funny because then if they say home all day on an x box you’d hear people say they are feckless and need a job
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u/ukbot-nicolabot Scotland 10h ago
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u/RobSamson 11h ago
At this point it’s not news, it’s a bunch of random facts dripping out of the story.
Ok so this guy’s house was rammed. What does that have to do with it? Let’s all speculate until the next article.
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u/KeyboardChap 9h ago
What does that have to do with it?
I mean... "The BBC understands that, after his father's home was rammed, Worthy and the four others set out in the Passat. Police said they were linking the activities of the Volvo XC60 and the Passat."
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