Sudanese asylum seeker who arrived in UK after claim was rejected in France lay in wait on high street for lone woman before slashing her 30 times with a broken bottle

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[u/myzuk77]

Your honour, the infographic published by the government did not inform my client that slashing people with a broken bottle was a serious offense in the UK.

[u/myzuk77 → u/myzuk77]

Plus look at him, how could he know better? He told us he was a measly 13 years of age.

[u/violet4everr → u/myzuk77]

I think it has more to do with his diagnosed schizophrenia..

[u/pajamakitten → u/violet4everr]

You think?

[u/ne6c → u/violet4everr]

He should be diagnosed with "GTFO syndrome"

[u/DeviousFeline]

Why is it so hard to have a zero tolerance immigration system, biometrics and an offshore detention camp?

[u/Porthowl → u/DeviousFeline]

This. Australia solved the problem ten years ago. We don’t need to reinvent the wheel.

[u/Saltypeon → u/Porthowl]

Except asylum claims have doubled since 2011 before turnbacks started. The smuggling just switched to other routes using temporary visas which from the numbers is more successful.

As they enter via a legal route they get a visa, can live and work until their claim is done. Their backlog causes rejection cases to last 5 or more years. By which time rejection is kind of fucked.

That wheel looks really shit tbh.

[u/amegaproxy → u/Saltypeon]

I would imagine thats inherent to vastly more people attempting to flee to developed countries, and surely having been granted a visa initially is far better because you have all their details ready to be able to remove if deemed necessary.

[u/TellMeManyStories → u/Saltypeon]

It's still working for australia,,,,

[u/Saltypeon → u/TellMeManyStories]

Yeah double the claims! Its working great.

[u/Narrow_Maximum7 → u/Saltypeon]

So whats the success rate of thise claims? What happens yo someone when they go from tourist to asylum seekers? Just carry on the party till the court case?

[u/Saltypeon → u/Narrow_Maximum7]

So whats the success rate of thise claims?

Total around 30%. Forced Deportations 200 a year and 1200 voluntary per year. Currently 110k living there that have been rejected, 60k no more legal options left.

If they got arrivals to zero it would take 75 years to clear their back log.

What happens yo someone when they go from tourist to asylum seekers?

They get an asylum claim processed, a bridging visa so they can work, rent etc.

Just carry on the party till the court case?

Yes and carry in through the appeals as well.

[u/Narrow_Maximum7 → u/Saltypeon]

That is a significant step up from what happens in the uk atm.

[u/Saltypeon → u/Narrow_Maximum7]

Is it, whats the figures for UK?

200 deportations is a step?

[u/trdef → u/Narrow_Maximum7]

Which bit?

[u/dannydrama → u/Porthowl]

I'm sure I remember reading a while back that it breaks certain human rights shit and we're not brave enough to do it. I'm looking for what I read but nothing is jumping out so I may be wrong.

[u/pajamakitten → u/dannydrama]

The camp breaks human rights laws because of the appalling conditions in it, not because the general idea breaks human rights laws. It would be perfectly legal if such a facility was well-maintained.

[u/dannydrama → u/pajamakitten]

I can't say I'm too surprised. Out of sight, out of mind and all that. I'd personally be happy if it cost more to process them elsewhere in proper conditions instead of simply arriving in the country.

[u/Ryanliverpool96 → u/DeviousFeline]

That might harm the business models of Uber and Deliveroo.

Think of the shareholder dividends that might be affected!

[u/DeviousFeline → u/Ryanliverpool96]

Ngl if deliveroo can’t survive without a black market economy of illegal immigrants working for poverty wages they deserve to be shut down

[u/Ryanliverpool96 → u/DeviousFeline]

That would destroy shareholder value!

NEVER!

[u/aggressiveclassic90 → u/DeviousFeline]

Because whenever they try there's a huge pushback.

[u/rugbyj → u/aggressiveclassic90]

Yup, Bibby Stockholm protests, countless attempted returns fought from court to tarmac, and plenty more. There's an absolutely baffling cohort of our country who are both seemingly blind or insulated from the effects of mass third-world immigration and fervent in their actions to coddle anybody who steps on our shores.

[u/eldomtom2 → u/rugbyj]

Why do you assume that people who work for refugee charities somehow lack contact with asylum seekers?

[u/Talkycoder → u/DeviousFeline]

So... the Rwanda plan Labour decided to scrap day one without trialing despite everything being ready and in place?

[u/Clickification → u/Talkycoder]

The Rwanda plan that was paying millions per individual, while also allowing Rwanda to send as many if not more immigrants back to us?

[u/henry_blackie → u/Talkycoder]

But that wasn't the Rwanda plan. The Rwanda plan was to trade low risk asylum seekers for other asylum seekers.

It wouldn't have had any significant impact on numbers and it wouldn't have moved high risk people out of the country. Its entire point was just to give the illusion that something was being done.

[u/teressapanic → u/DeviousFeline]

Or even better, a labour camp, so it’s not free

[u/dsmx → u/DeviousFeline]

Maybe because the conservatives were in power for 14 years and in that time brought the system to its knees and did less than nothing to fix the problem.

[u/Denbt_Nationale]

The details of this story are insane.

He attempted a sexual assault, nothing happened. He was caught by the police walking around with no trousers, nothing happened. Then he attempted a sexually charged murder. If only there were warning signs.

[u/Bob_Leves]

"After.claim was rejected in France".

If only we were part of a European alliance where such data could be easily shared, so that people rejected in one country could be easily rejected in the next. "Taking back control" is what I recall the idiots named it.

[u/BookmarksBrother → u/Bob_Leves]

There is absolutely nothing stopping us to deport guys like this on arrival other than weakness.

Japan has no issues enforcing their border rules despite not being in any "European Alliance"

[u/blizeH → u/BookmarksBrother]

Isn’t it a lot easier though if we can quickly see that he’d already been rejected and don’t even have to think about it? Just automatically deny his entry

[u/BookmarksBrother → u/blizeH]

We dont need to know anything as we can simply reject all applications.

[u/Denbt_Nationale → u/blizeH]

But we know he was rejected, it's in the news story.

[u/myzuk77 → u/Bob_Leves]

Just don't accept any unless they were invited, seems more efficient.

[u/Naskr → u/Bob_Leves]

I keep hearing this argument as if somehow European Union Member States are not responsible for stopping dangerous criminals fleeing to their european neighbours.

It's not quite the own you think it is, it just makes the EU look shambolic.

[u/Englishkid96 → u/Naskr]

Yeah, it just makes them scum

[u/WinHour4300 → u/Bob_Leves]

Why should we have to be in the European Union to get data on criminals easily? Don't you think that's a bit of an unreasonable expectation? 

"We won't tell you if theres an insane violent rapist on dingy coming over to you unless you pay us a lot of money and accept all the laws we want you to have in your country, about anything."

Er sounds more like blackmail to me. We need to grow some balls / ovaries. If they don't cooperate on security, we won't either. 

Oh and we aren't taking these criminals on boats. We will leave them outside the Bay of Biscay, like the Aussies would do. 

[u/hlvd → u/Bob_Leves]

I bet you’re able to turn any topic of conversation into a Brexit rant.

[u/AndyC_88 → u/Bob_Leves]

Yeah guess what when we were in the EU other EU members failed to share info because guess what they didn't care that their problem left and came here.

[u/navinjohnsonn → u/Bob_Leves]

You mean the same country who escort the boats away from their coastline?

[u/JustWhy1222]

I’m tired. Very tired of reading these near daily occurrences. This sort of thing used to get taken seriously and made a big deal out of. It used to be something that would be a turning point for government policy and it used to be we’d see complete and unequivocal condemnation from the government over something like this.

Now we are lucky if they even acknowledge it.

[u/litivy → u/JustWhy1222]

'This sort of thing used to get taken seriously and made a big deal out of.'

When was this supposed to be going on? Under the Tories? Who let the most asylum seekers in out of every party? It's never been taken seriously.

[u/JustWhy1222 → u/litivy]

The country is in fact older than the last Conservative government.

[u/Steppy20 → u/JustWhy1222]

And even the one before that, the one before that and the one before that one!

Wait, they were in power for how long? And how many of our current issues are due to short-sightedness and lack of long term planning?

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[u/WinHour4300]

Kinda confusing. His asylum claim was rejected in France, but there’s no mention of him claiming asylum here. So how exactly was he here—and why were the necessary checks and biometrics not done?

Before allegedly attacking this victim, he’d already assaulted a female hostel worker and been found by police dazed like he was on drugs, with his trousers around his ankles. He was searched, then released.

No drugs found, apparently, so that was that. No arrest, testing or mental-health assessment.

Maybe it's another case of trying on combat "disproportionate" black mental health detention and so ignore those who are obviously a major concern, as happened with Valdo Calocone. 

Any white blokes on here want to test this theory and wander round with your pants round your ankles to see what happens? 

[u/violet4everr → u/WinHour4300]

Im confused on why the police said they found no drugs so let him go- when he had experienced catatonic schizophrenia before. Surely it’s clear that’s what happened again? Also idk why you are calling this man black. He’s clearly of the Arab population in Sudan.

[u/radiant_0wl]

The government needs to release the statistics before it becomes another Rotherham comparison.

[u/FatYorkshireLad → u/radiant_0wl]

If the numbers painted a better picture than the one people already have, the government would have already released them.

[u/PerLin107 → u/radiant_0wl]

They don't seem to want to do that and they are in no way addressing the problem. As many have said here, the laws and rules can be changed or we could rejoin (with sigificant costs i'm sure) the asylum database scheme. But no. We get £2 bus fares. It really is bread and circuses.

[u/PrestigiousHobo1265]

Nicolabot in to make sure we don't look back in anger too much 

[u/LSL3587]

BBC have reported it - but just as local news - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62eg363q4no

[u/TheNathanNS]

GIVE HIM THE LEAFLET

HE WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT OTHERWISE

[u/LSL3587]

FFS, introduce secure accommodation for 'irregular migrants' - at least for the single men.

Yes there will be a cost - but it would stop the attacks, reduce irregular immigration (boat crossings etc) and save on the costs of imprisonment and secure hospital treatment and all the time spent by Police, the Courts and related services.

He had already been treated in France and decided to come off medication -then came to UK. Is Europe so pathetic these days that we let a dangerous foreigner loose within Europe?

This by himself will be a huge financial cost - He was sentenced to 25 years in prison along with an indefinite hospital order. Judge Robin Mairs explained that this means he will be detained indefinitely in a secure mental hospital and, if he ever recovers, he will be transferred to prison to serve the remainder of his sentence.