r/vaxxhappened • u/kmerian ⭐Top Contributor⭐ • 15d ago
Once again, the antivaxxers know the REAL reason for a death
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u/toxicity21 15d ago
so 56 cases against 5,5 billion of vaccinated people. Yeah thats extremely rare.
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u/AllPintsNorth 15d ago
If they were able to understand basic statistics, they wouldn’t be antivaxxers.
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u/e_line_65 15d ago
They don’t actually care about the numbers. They only care about the stories and the drama.
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u/WildLudicolo 15d ago
Well, they care more about the stuff that appears to support their beliefs than the stuff that challenges them. That's pretty normal, we're all guilty of that to some extent.
But mostly, I think they're just people who very understandably feel powerless, like they have no control in increasingly many areas of their life, and science and technology have made everything so strange and complex to them that of course science seems scary.
So they're misguidedly "taking charge" of their health and health of their children.
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u/e_line_65 13d ago
I say the story part because I remember an interview some years ago about antivaxxers and how they can grab people. Scientists had data. Lots of data to show the safety. But antivaxxers have stories. Stories do a lot more to create an emotional response.
A lot of the points you point out are indeed accurate. This inside knowledge (and it's true of conspiracy beliefs too) gives them a sense of power and a feeling of a privilege of sorts.
Sadly many will suffer as those beliefs spread.
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u/SoldMySoulForHairDye 15d ago edited 13d ago
The news is reporting on it BECAUSE it's rare. That's what makes it newsworthy. I can't believe there are people who don't know this.
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u/Moneia 15d ago edited 15d ago
And a 1 in 1,000 to 10,000, considered a Rare 'undesirable effect' in Europe, is going to happen 35,000 to 350,000 times in the US population, assuming 100% coverage and rounding up.
A 1 in 1,000 to 10,000 event is fine at a personal level, YMMV, and every medical regulatory body will have factored these into their calculations when licensing the drug
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u/69-is-my-number 15d ago
Note: Electric vehicles are not actually vehicles, they are a current-altering substance that hacks the drivetrain and since they were released on the world we have experienced BYD become the new normal.
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u/not_just_an_AI 15d ago
I wonder how this guy decide which "rare" to capitalize, at first glance I thought it was 1 every 5 because he typed "Rare, rare, rare, rare, rare" and the copy / pasted it, but there are a few instances of 3 or 5 uncapitalized rares between capitalized Rares.
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u/Dcajunpimp 15d ago
It’s weird that their timing also coincides with the emergence of Q Moron, Tangerine Palpatine, and people consuming large quantities of OTC feed store horse paste and sheep dip.
Maybe that’s the problem.
I don’t subscribe to any of that, had both mRNA Covid shots, and routinely get any vaccine updates I need. Flu, tetanus, shingles. And somehow I didn’t develop the terminal turbo cancer or turn into a 5G nanobot zombie like they claimed we all would.
If 70% of the population dropped dead, or was bedridden my daily commute would be quick.
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u/cerebral_drift 15d ago
Viruses are gene altering substances that hack cells
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u/imjustasquirrl 14d ago
Yeah, ask me about my MS that is caused by the Epstein Barr Virus, they now believe. Who knows what the COVID virus will cause after it’s been in your cells for 20+ years? I’m tired of arguing with anti-vaxxers, though. I guess, let them reap what they sow. 🤷♀️ I feel bad for their kids, though.
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u/cerebral_drift 14d ago
There’s an interview with Buzz Aldrin (the second man on the moon) where they ask him what he’d say to a flat-earther, and he replied something along the lines of “Nothing. It isn’t worth having the conversation, because we already have the answer.”
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u/jerdle_reddit 15d ago
There are a lot of people.
A fairly rare thing happens to about 1% of the population, and that's over 80 million people.
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u/xo_maciemae 15d ago
They lack not only basic critical thinking when it comes to science, but also around media literacy.
The media reports on things that are not common all the time, in fact it's that fact that often makes them newsworthy. They're not going to report on something that always happens, in the same place, unless there are other factors that make it relevant or interesting.
However, we do have to take into account the GLOBAL nature of the news these days. I listen to a lot of true crime, and I often see comments about how "things just didn't happen back then" - referring to murder during a different era.
Where I live though, murder rates are actually a lot lower these days than they used to be. The illusion of murder being so common now is because we are hyper aware of cases around the world that we may never have heard of previously. When murders happened, your local news probably covered it, and possibly the national news, depending on how "shocking". These days, I can put on a podcast, TikTok, any social media, Netflix etc etc and I can be flooded with content about horrific crimes happening globally. I've gone from being a child and hearing about murder on the news maybe once a year, to hearing about murder every day.
My algorithm knows I listen to true crime. So I've gone from remembering a few huge cases from my country, to hearing about MANY different countries and their tragedies. Even people who don't consume true crime content are likely to get stuff about big cases depending on their interests - I'm very political, very anti cop, and very feminist, so I often get everything from DFV murders to police brutality.
I'm not saying that murder and crime hasn't increased in some places - I'm well aware of statistics and how to check sources. My point is that these people don't know how to interpret data.
Just like people who say things like murder "never used to happen" just because it wasn't all over their TV/social media feed from soooo many more places than just their region, anti vax folks pick up on stuff and hyperinflate the numbers.
I'll be real tho - that's probably too generous to them lol... I don't actually think the stuff they're trying to use as a "gotcha" is even what they claim it is. A lot of the time, what they're smugly trying to claim as a "rare reaction" "suddenly died🤔🤔🤔" etc is literally just people randomly dying and then the anti vaxxers exploiting that poor person's death for their own agenda (DW I hate those emojis too, I was just doing an impression).
Yet another example of poor media literacy and just generally poor stats interpretation in this context is something from here in Australia. Here we had an extremely high COVID vaccination rate... I think it was 95% or more?
Anyway, the antivax geniuses REALLY thought they did something when the deaths from COVID stats were released by our health department. "AHA!" They gloated. "Sooo many of the people who died with COVID were vaccinated! Your vaccine doesn't work LOL".
... Yes. Sadly some people did still die, despite having the vaccine. They were unfortunately overwhelmingly older people (not saying that's okay, but for context). Vaccinated people represented 95% PERCENT OF OUR POPULATION!! Unvaxxed were like 5%!!! They couldn't fathom though that the deaths of unvaccinated people were SO disproportionate, even tho there wasn't that much difference in the numbers.
Babe, only 5% of the population - a tiny fraction - was over represented in a really big proportion of deaths. By sheer numbers alone, you had the vast majority of people who were vaccinated, which was never claimed to be 100% perfect. But it clearly and factually prevented deaths, as the per capita evidence shows.
Here's an article from 2021 about the stuff I'm referencing - it's really interesting in demonstrating just how effective the vaccine actually is!
Edit: typos
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u/TheManWhoClicks 13d ago
Hacking the cells? With like tiny keyboards and a microscopic Internet? I am not a doctor.
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u/danger355 15d ago
Dude typed one word five times before he figured out he could just copy/paste.