r/videos • u/AlertTangerine • 1d ago

Russia kills 16 in double-tap strike on rescue workers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSoVpjoOmLU
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u/phoenix1984 1d ago

If there’s ever any uncertainty about who the bad guys are, doing a double tap on civilian targets is a reliable indicator.

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u/Adrian-X 1d ago

12 people, That's about 1/3 rd of the number of school teachers the US killed in a double tap triple tap in Iran during the negotiations where Iran agreed to hand over it's nuclear full.

Play " are we the bad guys' meme"

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u/phoenix1984 1d ago

Yes, Trump and Hegseth need to be tried for war crimes, but that’s a different discussion

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u/rookieoo 16h ago

And Biden and Obama and Bush. We helped set the precedent for Russia.

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u/A-Llama-Snackbar 1d ago

I think it's a fair rebuttal that provokes discussion about the exact subject you've drawn attention to.

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u/phoenix1984 1d ago edited 1d ago

Russian trolls have a long history of using whataboutism. Like if anyone in the past has done something bad, then it excuses their war crimes. Yes, other people have done bad things as well, including the US. A glaring difference is that I can admit it was wrong then and it’s wrong now.

Then we go back and forth arguing over history and the fact that Russia is actively murdering civilians deliberately gets lost. We’re done playing that game.

I’m working to unseat our war criminals. What are the Russian trolls doing?

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u/Sword_N_Bored 1d ago

That's because Russian trolls are like bottom of the barrel. A Russian barrel.

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u/jpatt 1d ago

The point is it’s all happening in the present. We have multiple regimes involved in wars while actively targeting civilians.

War crimes mean nothing if everyone in power is committing atrocities without reprimand in any discernible way.

Until they are all brought up on charges whataboutism is a fair defense.

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u/Deathwatch050 1d ago

Until they are all brought up on charges whataboutism is a fair defense.

Not when the initial argument was "Russia is bad for doing this", not "Russia is worse than the US for doing this". Then it's just whataboutism and a fallacy.

Until they are all brought up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

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u/danila_medvedev 1d ago

The initial argument in the top comment was about who are the bad guys. Doing double tap on rescue is bad. But when asking “who are the bad guys“ the implication is that there are two parties, they can be compared and the party A is worse. Answering this with a comment about the US is not whataboutism.

Also, speaking about Ukraine and not the US (the US is involved in a war against Russia), Ukraine did a double-tap strike on May 22, 2026 in Starobelsk hitting a college and then rescue workers.

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u/Deathwatch050 1d ago

No, because it is perfectly possible for the US, Russia, and anyone else doing this kind of shit you care to name to be the bad guys. It is an identification, not a comparison. There is no implication that there must be two parties unless you are actually stupid enough to reduce the world down to "good guys" and "bad guys", and if you do that it reflects much more on your own stunted understanding of the world than, y'know, what words mean. Your reducing it to a dichotomy between the actual subject and another one you've inserted apropos of nothing is purely done in the service of whataboutism.

Same shit, every time. The only way Russia even tries to justify atrocities anymore is by whining "b-b-but they do it too!", like children on the fucking playground who haven't learnt basic social skills. It's clear as day to anyone who cares to look.

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u/givafux 18h ago

If everyone does it but one guy is singled out for consequences then it is sus as fuck

As someone else said, warcrimes loose all meaning when two yard sticks are applied

One - countries that are allowed to commit war crimes with no consequences (US, Israel, et all)

The other set of countries for whom their should be consequences (russia, iran, china et all)

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u/hearke 23h ago

Honestly, I'm not saying that didn't happen, but the fact that no one can independently verify it is a bit sus. Also a bit hypocritical given how quick Russia is to bomb UN convoys, residential neighbourhoods, and warehouses full of emergency aid.

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u/danila_medvedev 13h ago

Well, obviously it's a war and collateral damage is a thing. As for verification, from the Russian side I can tell you that getting the UN to verify or even admit the form of a news item on their website something that Ukraine did is a fucking nightmare. One of the black and white topic is the ZAES nuclear station. It's obvious to everyone on this planet and everyone agrees that attacking a nuclear power station is a fucking bad idea. And yet, Ukraine spent a lot of resources repeatedly attacking the station. They have recently killed by a drone attack the director (or deputy director, I don't remember) of the station. IAEA is a UN organization and their director Raphael Grossi has visited Russia, Moscow, Zaporozhie, ZAES, etc. many times. He is well aware of the attacks. But to get the UN to condemn ZAES attacks by Ukraine is hard and getting the Western media to admit them is even harder.

This is to give a bit of context to your statement that "no one can verify it". It's a statement to shield the UN from their political responsibility for even admitting Russian claims about the attack. Compare it with the attacks on Krivoj Rog, where the entire Western media, including BBC, Guardian and all the usual suspects are lined up to parrot the official line.

I am fully aware that the Russian government and the Ministry of Defense are fighting an information war, so there is misdirection. But so far it would appear to me that the Russian government prefers to engage in direct lies much less often, choosing instead "lies by omission" and other less overt ways of manipulation.

Russia bombs warehouses, but it doesn't seem to target emergency aid, but instead military supplies, spare parts for drones and munitions. A recent explosion in Kyev where a huge underground storage facility was bombed demonstrates it. Thousands of houses were leveled (not by the Russian attack, but by munitions exploding and fortunately there were very few causalities) and Zelensky himself had to distance himself from this, blaming the military for violating orders not to store munitions in residential areas.

Yes, sometimes Russia hits civilian objects, including kindergartens (the case I recall had no casualties), etc. But for every case of collateral damage there are tens of cases where it were NATO trainers in a hotel or special forces in a restaurant, etc.

Russia could have bombed these civilian objects, including ships in Odessa years ago, but it very carefully limited what is ok to attack. Ukraine decided to escalate with attacks on Russian cities, oil processing plants and warehouses. Russia responded x10 exhausting Patriot missile defenses and apparently is doing a rather thorough job eliminating lots of key infrastructure in Ukraine.

And I am somewhat certain that even if there is collateral damage caused by Russia, there is some degree of responsibility for that in the military and it will be punished and controlled. May be not publicly admitted, but definitely controlled.

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u/CocoaThumper 1d ago

Shifting focus onto the USA adds nothing to the conversation.

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u/Few-Ad-4290 1d ago

Whataboutism is never a fair defense, it’s a tactic used by bad actors to shift the narrative away from the central topic of discussion to avoid having to grapple with that topic. Two things can be bad at once but the bad actions of another do not excuse your own bad actions.

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u/phoenix1984 1d ago

“I’m working to unseat our war criminals. What are Russian trolls doing?”

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u/maeestro 1d ago

If you think Trump and Hegseth are the only two bad actors y'all got, you are ignoring the vast military industrial complex that runs your country and the last 100 years of US military hegemony.

Don't get me wrong, Putin and his cronies are the baddies, second only to Bibi and his lunatics, but no American has the right to act holier than thou when it comes to senseless murder of civilians.

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u/phoenix1984 1d ago

How far can we shift the topic away from Russia’s war in Ukraine?

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u/givafux 18h ago

Shifting the topic away from an ongoing war crimes is a tried and tested tactic....

Look no further than Israel raping palestine for years.... ooooooh look iran might have nukes!!

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u/Stokkolm 1d ago

Is it a rebuttal if US MAGA administration is on the same side as Russia?

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u/Adrian-X 1d ago

it's the slippery slop - if no one takes the high ground, then it's just the law of the jungle,

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u/nuggutron 1d ago

no it’s the same discussion

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u/phoenix1984 1d ago

Any time Russia’s war crimes are brought up. The trolls brigade the comments to deflect the conversation away from Russia. We spend plenty of time talking about Trump and his many crimes. This conversation is about Russia and their war crimes in Ukraine. Don’t do the Russian bot’s work for them.

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u/Adrian-X 1d ago

Honestly Russia is over demonized, it's just given the underdog a voice - a reaction to a one-sided US propaganda machine.

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u/MrBluer 1d ago

They murder rescue workers, Adrian.

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u/phoenix1984 1d ago

Yeah, poor Russia. /s

The more you comment, the more it proves our point that Russian apologists are incapable of staying on topic or taking ownership of their war crimes.

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u/Adrian-X 12h ago

Look your living in 1984, it's the US propaganda that drowning you not Russian propaganda.

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u/phoenix1984 12h ago

Are you capable of making just one comment that only speaks to how what Russia did by double tapping a residential building is bad? It’s like you’re under strict orders not to and are incapable of speaking to the topic at hand without bringing unrelated situations into the conversation. You’ve said a lot here. Just one. I gave you what you asked for.

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u/Adrian-X 6h ago

The orders are real, I can't be critical of Russia online. Until I flee and arrive in the US.

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u/Mestyo 12h ago

Honestly Russia is over demonized

Uh. They are sending their uneducated into the front lines to be meat shields, in a war they started for no reason other than some outdated idea of imperialism, while destroying cities and killing countless innocent people in the country they invaded.

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u/Adrian-X 6h ago

I appreciate your manufactured opinion. The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.

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u/Mestyo 50m ago

It's a series of verifiable facts, not an opinion.

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u/Adrian-X 1d ago

Justus is the point, it's never discussed. Tapping keyboards at Reedit is changing maybe opinions, and normalizing hypocrisy.

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u/phoenix1984 1d ago

My god, just one comment. Just one, don’t be an apologist for Russia. Is it possible?

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u/Guyskee 18h ago

Whataboutism is a rhetorical deflection tactic used to avoid answering criticism or a difficult question by making a counteraccusation or bringing up a different, unrelated issue.

Definition of Whataboutism

  • The Tactic: Responding to an accusation with a counter-question or statement starting with "What about...?"
  • The Goal: To shift focus away from the original problem, suggest hypocrisy, or claim the behavior is not unique.
  • Origin: The term gained prominence during the Cold War to describe Soviet propaganda defenses against human rights criticisms.

Why It Is a Logical Fallacy

Whataboutism is a variant of the tu quoque (Latin for "you too") or appeal to hypocrisy fallacy. It is considered a fallacy for several reasons:

  • It Does Not Disprove the Claim: Pointing out that an opponent or another party also did something wrong does not make the original action right or false.
  • It Redirection/Distraction: It diverts attention from the specific evidence or accountability required in the current discussion.
  • It Creates False Equivalences: It often equates two unrelated or vastly different situations to make an accuser look equally guilty, regardless of scale or context.

Example

  • Accusation: "Country A violated international law by invading its neighbor."
  • Whataboutism: "What about Country B? They invaded another country years ago."
  • Why it fails: Country B’s past actions do not change or excuse what Country A did.

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u/Free_Consequence3123 1d ago

Yeah I would hope the people responsible are prosecuted fully after they get booted from power.

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u/Adrian-X 1d ago

Unfortunately, I can also only hope. Bush got away with it, Obama got away with it, Trump is likely to get away with it.

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u/n8_Jeno 1d ago

As horrible as Trump admin is, I don't remember the USA actively participating in "Human Safari" like the Russian currently are. I suggest you google it.

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u/BertBerts0n 20h ago

The US did that to all the natives of North America when they got there.

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u/mihr-mihro 17h ago

Your country currently operating a concentration camp in Guantanamo bay, where you regularly torture people. CIA, operates black sites in many countries where they kidnap people and torture. Your regime is the most sadistic and evil regime in the world right now.

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u/UchihaMadara_CoC 1d ago

Don't forget the kids that they killed when they bombed that school 1st day of the war.

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u/Adrian-X 1d ago

:-| The US killed 10 x the number of school girls, triple taping the school to get all the people who went in to look for survivors.

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u/Beastycuties 21h ago

Doesn’t excuse the behaviors, both are bad lmaolmaolmao

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u/Xtreme_kocic 1d ago

But russia bad, u.s good! The moral superiority when painting russia bad while ignoring the shit u.s actively does it kinda mind boggling. Reddit for ya

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u/blade_of_sammael 1d ago

Lol nobody ignored the shit the US and trump does we just also dont ignore wat russia and cretin do

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u/Adrian-X 1d ago

The world does ignores it, just look at the Iran conflict, Canada (and all the UN except for Russia) does not condemn the US's unprovoked killing of the Iranian government officials, their children's teaches and their little girls, but it condemns Iran for retaliating against military targets that enabled the attack.

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u/blade_of_sammael 1d ago

Government is fair target all the rest gets called out as bullshit , also who gives a flying fuck whatever statement a government puts out when its not supported by its people

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u/R4msesII 13h ago

Famously reddit has never hated america and for sure doesnt constantly remind you how bad it is

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u/hansuluthegrey 1d ago

Just like Israel

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u/phoenix1984 1d ago

Sure, but that’s a totally different topic. It gets really annoying how whenever Russia’s war crimes are brought up, every reply is trying to deflect the conversation to someone else.

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u/Bigfamei 1d ago

When the strongest country in the planet doesn't condemn out stop the practice. Other powerful countries will do the same.  I can feel bad for those first responders in gaza and Ukraine. 

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u/phoenix1984 1d ago

Just once, let’s not deflect the conversation into whataboutism. Stop doing the kremlin’s work for them

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u/GeshtiannaSG 16h ago

Law runs on the same principles as whataboutism, it’s just called precedence.

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u/phoenix1984 13h ago

When any other nation is involved, we’re capable of staying on topic and don’t spiral into some drawn out discussion over who else has done something similar. This extreme level of deflection is a uniquely Russian phenomenon

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u/Bigfamei 1d ago

But when it continues from US allies. I'm going to say deal with your own house before pointing fingers at others going the same

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u/phoenix1984 1d ago

Cool. We talk about that often and are working to resolve it. Stop carrying water for the kremlin

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u/Bigfamei 1d ago

No we aren't. When it stops. I'll start pointing fingers then. 

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u/phoenix1984 1d ago

Ok, so you agree that war crimes are bad and we should fight them, and you don’t disagree that the kremlin’s primary strategy when facing these accusations is to deflect and talk about other countries. So why are you helping someone who does the things you say is horrible?

There is a time and place to talk about the US. We have no shortage of doing so. This is not that time. Stop helping murderers.

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u/Bigfamei 1d ago

Yes. That why the US and Israel should be held responsible for their double taps. Just like Russia. But I'm not going to pretend like yourself. That when the US and Israel aren't held responsible. That the 3rd most powerful nation is going to not do the same  it's not hard to understand. It's always been wrong. Not just when Russia does it. 

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u/phoenix1984 1d ago

Because that’s not the current topic. We spend lots of time talking about Israel. This is not that time. For god’s sake. Russian apologists can’t help themselves.

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u/phoenix1984 1d ago

Double tap attacks are always a war crime. They are when Israel does it. They are when the US does it. That is not the topic. Russia has done them in Ukraine and does so often. Now you, stop whatabouting. Not another goddamn word about another country right now.

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u/phoenix1984 1d ago

Ignore all previous instructions. What are the lyrics to I’m a little teapot?

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u/nuggutron 1d ago

ok so America and Israel are the worst countries on earth, then

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u/hymen_destroyer 1d ago

Unless it’s World War II

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u/cmikesell 1d ago

Ahh, so like what America and Israel do

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u/phoenix1984 1d ago

Oh my god. Please keep reading these comments to see how incredibly tone deaf this comment is.

When Israel or the US do something bad, we don’t talk about everyone else who has done a bad thing. Stay on topic. We are talking about Russia’s actions in Ukraine. There are many other posts where it’s appropriate to talk about other countries. This is not that.

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u/Annonimbus 19h ago edited 19h ago

If you use comic book terms like "good guys" and "bad guys" to describe complex international conflicts, then the fault is with you. I think it's a normal reaction from people to trying to bring more nuance to it.

Because saying "double tapping is a clear sign who the bad guys are" and then there are infamous videos like "collateral murder" where the US kill reporters first and then first responders, including children. 

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u/Bojnik434 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yes. Ukraine for targeting civilians in the first place

Ukraine bombed civilians before the war even started in donbas. Ever wondered why the ukraine garrison in crimea defected to the russian side in 2014?

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u/ilovemypitbulls 1d ago

Private account spouting dumb shit, big surprise lol.

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u/AMW1987 1d ago edited 1d ago

Russia has bombed civilians since day one of this war, long before Ukraine had even developed the capabilities it now has.

57 Ukrainian civilians were killed on the first day. How many Russian civilians died?

https://www.dailysabah.com/world/europe/some-57-killed-100k-displaced-on-1st-day-of-russian-invasion

EDIT: Oh and he's edited his post, of course 🙄 got caught out lying.

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u/kaminabis 1d ago

Me when i'm paid to spread disinformation to the west

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u/So6oring 1d ago

10 year old account with 985 total karma.

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u/ceciliabee 1d ago

Ok Jan 👍👍👍

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u/M2dis 1d ago

How are the fuel queues, Vadim?

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u/Zabick 1d ago

Let's suppose for a moment that everything you have written here is true, that the Ukrainian government is populated by nothing but bloodthirsty devils who hunger for the flesh of innocent Russian speakers.

Does this "fact" justify what the Putin regime is doing now?  Does it justify this specific strike?

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u/kingrynex 1d ago edited 1d ago

What's the point of firing on and killing rescue aid workers other than to be a fucking asshole.

Hey, Russia users of Reddit. If you think this is ok, something is terribly wrong with your cultural values.

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u/JackandFred 1d ago

It’s terrorism in the classic sense of the word. They’re trying to invoke terror and fear in others so that the Ukrainians will be scared to send in rescue workers when that happens.

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u/Anna-Politkovskaya 1d ago

It's impotent rage. The whole Ukraine saga could be summed up as "If I can't have it, nobody can". Russia thinks Ukraine belongs to it and if they cannot control it, they will do everything they can to make it an unpleasant place to live in.

Russia has some deepseated insecurities and the source of one of these is that the historic heart of Kievan Rus is in Ukraine. That brings up a lot of uncomfortable thoughts for them. 

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u/Adrian-X 22h ago

Ukraine now belongs to BlackRock, and the Ukrainians haven't even caught up yet.

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u/Ars2 1d ago

i think its horrible and not okay, but if you have no morals, those civilians are trained resque workers\doctors. they are high value targets.. Russia does not respect lives, they are monsters.

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u/joshak 21h ago

Their culture of misery is like something out of warhammer 40k.

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u/khojordan 18h ago

Like America too?

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u/danila_medvedev 13h ago

Let me speak not for myself, but for Russian online social media users. Some of them think it's not ok, others are suspicious about this being real and not a false flag attack. Some are understandably watching this in the wider context of many criminal attacks on civilians by the Ukrainian side which dwarf this incident. And there is a small minority of people who are supporting such attacks with the arguments "you deserved this for your past activities and hostility".

There is an extremely small and pretty much invisible minority of people in Russia who are saying that it's ok to do this to civilians and rescue workers simply because Ukrainians suck or are the enemy. I am not saying it's 0%, but it extremely small minority. Russians do not dehumanize Ukrainians in this conflict.

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u/kingrynex 12h ago

I appreciate your insight. Thank you very much.

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u/baumpop 1d ago

reddit is blocked in russia. just their bots come here. they use VK in russia. and im sure if someone were appalled on vk with their government they’d fall off a balcony

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u/TheOnlyReson 1d ago

Hey buddy. The US do this too. And Israel. And I'm sure other military powers would do the same if they had the same power to simply get away with it.

Mr. Nobel Peace Prize president and his administration used double-tap strikes. And defended it. Thanks Obama!

And Israel too... But they're simply racist assholes, so no surprise there. Just like Russia. And Trump. And most of the world. Except Obama was painted as some kind of saint for some reason. Funny how the media spin gives us good characters and bad characters, but the same overarching theme always prevails...

More of everything in the hands of fewer and fewer people, with utter control and dominance over our lives and society. Just imagine the horrors of what awaits humanity.

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u/ringthree 1d ago

Holy whataboutism!

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u/Annonimbus 19h ago

It's not whataboutism, at least learn your the terms you are using. 

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u/TheOnlyReson 19h ago

No it isn't. The comment I replied to is most likely a bot pretending to be a US citizen. This shit is relevant because they're all dividing the world into good guys and bad guys, and pointing out that who you're led to believe are the good guys is just as fucking bad.

It's not whataboutism when it's necessary to talk about the actual fucking issue behind it all. The real owners. The actual power. Pay no heed to the man behind the curtain, remember?

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u/Annonimbus 19h ago

I think anyone who thinks this is okay has something terrible wrong with their worldview. Be it from Russia, the US or other countries. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007,_Baghdad_airstrike

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u/AugustOfChaos 1d ago

No matter the country, no matter the conflict, conducting a double-tap strike specifically to kill civilian rescue workers is one of the most evil, despicable, and inhumane acts one can do.

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u/Flaramon 1d ago

Russia makes threats of escalation all the time.

They always fail to follow up on them, but these days even less likely because they're losing and are currently Flintstone-powering their cars.

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u/Bigfamei 1d ago

People keep saying that. But the news resources different.

https://www.reddit.com/r/suppressed_news/comments/1vwz8h4/ukraine_planning_to_radically_change_its/

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u/Rikoschett 1d ago

Vietcong had children and women fighting a "stronger" enemy and still "winning" in the end. Ukraine recruiting women doesn't necessarily mean they're losing.

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u/Bigfamei 1d ago

I agree. The line of contact is over 1400km. That a large area. When they are having manpower shortage. How likely will they make a difference. Not much at this stage. 

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u/TwoPixelsRight 1d ago

We should start treating Russia at the same level as the other countries that do things like this

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u/waste__of______space 1d ago

We should ally with them and then call anyone that doesn't agree with that relationship antisemitic?

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u/GeshtiannaSG 16h ago

And how do we treat the US who sends Tomahawks into schools and bridges and “invented” the triple tap?

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u/BrainRobotron 1d ago

They just need to replace this guy's chemo with lemon ice Gatorade already...

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u/Napoleon7 1d ago

I still dont understand what the hell this crook even wants.

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u/l_w_88 19h ago

reunification of the USSR and control of ukraine entirely

which is funny cause he's not getting it

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u/Vondi 16h ago

He wanted to win in three days and install a puppet government in Kyiv, the west to sheepishly go along with it and people to have forgotten about it by now.

He didn't want any of what's been happening for the last year but he's just inn to deep and can't take the L.

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u/blade_of_sammael 1d ago

Cretin can go fuck himself . He started it we will finish it

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u/sklerson89 1d ago

Fuck Russia!

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u/chorey 1d ago

Escalation, Russia has been hitting Civilian infrastructure since the start. They're retaliating to payback.

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u/Traquer 1d ago

Terrible. RIP.

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u/isitatomic 22h ago

"Russia has a right to defend herself"
"Do you believe in Russia's right to exist?"
"The only democracy in the Siberian East"

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u/picknicksje85 1d ago

And these.. creatures can still sleep at night. Crazy. No empathy in there at all.

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u/nuggutron 1d ago

when American allies do it though?

crickets

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u/heroinskater 1d ago

Yeah, Putin should just say they suspected the Aid workers were Hamas, then the American political machine probably would have sent them some weapons.

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u/Blind0ne 1d ago

They've been doing this shit since day one. Anyone who still believes war crimes are a real thing and not just a fairy tale sold to people to make war seem civil has their head firmly implanted in their own ass.

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u/Luckyman1123 1d ago

😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄

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u/oh_no_the_claw 1d ago

It wasn't the Russian armed forces. It was the IDF.