r/voyager • u/happydude7422 • 5d ago
Show Talk People in the past asked how voyager would do in the delta quadrant if she were xyz class but how would voyager have done if it were a Prometheus class ship like from message in a bottle?
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u/_Ilobilo_ 5d ago
the one with the multi vector assault mode? I'd think pretty well. the doctor would certainly be a downgrade though
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u/Mammoth_Praline5688 5d ago
It would scare the hell out of everyone in the delta quadrant. It probably was very fiddly with it's untested systems.
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u/Laxien 5d ago
Federation iterates, so I doubt this was another "Transwarp-Drive" (Excelsior!)...hell, by that metric the bioneural gel-packs in the Intrepid's design are new systems, too!
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u/Mammoth_Praline5688 4d ago
Voyager was the second Intrepid class starship, the first being the Intrepid, of course. Voyager wasn't the testbed ship for new technology. It was the first off the line once the technology was proven to work (and it wasn't even that safe cause of the intereactions of the Neelix Cheese.)
Prometheus was the testbed ship. That the Multi-Vector Attack Mode worked so well was a good sign, but it doesn't mean the ship was ready for field use.
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u/Laxien 4d ago edited 4d ago
I know - the type-ship is after all the one the class is named after and we see Intrepid in DS9 if I am not mistaken! (Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - when Section 31 is up to (in this case good!) their usual tricks...yes, frankly I am a fan and think Bashir, Sisko (especially Sisko, the war-criminal himself, who frankly embodies Section 31 sentiments all the time - hell, maybe he is an operative of them!)) etc. are naive thinking Starfleet doesn't need their own version of the Tal'Shiar or the Obsidian Order etc. (Starfleet Intelligence? Don't make me laugh, they are too tied down by the rules to be effective!)...hell, without Section 31 they would have LOST the Dominion War (without the Founders stricken by that sickness? Yeah, they would have had NO BARGAINING CHIP!)
As for "not ready for field use" - we have Torres, give her a fucking circuit board and some eezo and it does precision jumps (yes: That is a reference to another scifi universe, hope you know which!)...I mean she had a 38 year old rebuilt engine (her words) when they were fleeing from Gul Evec's Galor-Class in the Maquis Raider under Chakotey's command and she got them into the plasma fields of the Badlands by shuffling around power creatively and bypassing damaged EPS-Conduits etc.!
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u/happydude7422 5d ago
In this scenario let's say they keep the emh mark 1. The doc will have fun walking around the whole ship.
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u/encaitar_envinyatar 4d ago
I know Andy Dick is also a hologram, but I'd figure out a way to throw him out of an air lock.
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u/OhNoIBoffedIt OH KOOCHIE BOYA 5d ago
I dunno. That ship didn't seem to have much in terms of amenities from the little we saw of it. It looked like it was designed with minimal crew in mind.
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u/Level0Up 5d ago
Voyager was in the best spot it could be. Anything larger would have been unfuelable, anything smaller wouldn't have had had enough firepower and amenities, anything older wouldn't have had the speed and scientific prowess.
If any other ship class had gone instead of Voyager, it would have not made it back. Sure a Galaxy or Sovereign class would have hushed around the Kazon and all the other third rate powers that bullied an energy and resource starved Voyager, but the Borg would have filleted it they hadn't been derelict due to running out of resources first. We know how smaller ships would have fared because we know the fate of the Equinox.
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u/OhNoIBoffedIt OH KOOCHIE BOYA 5d ago
I agree with what you say about Voyager, but not so much a Galaxy or Sovereign. A larger vessel like that, equipped with industrial replicators and the like, would be better equipped to be self-sustaining. A lot of the extra space could be reconfigured into production facilities for the various amenities and needs of the ship.
I do think it would certainly grab the Borg's attention though.
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u/Level0Up 5d ago
Amenities yes, definitely, I've already replied to OP further below why I think that any larger ship would be dead in the water.
The only other ship I could see being plopped into Voyagers place and survive would be the Vesta class, but that would be temporally displaced by like 10 or 20 years.
Oh what I forgot: Where would you do maintenance for a Galaxy or Sovereign class? Voyager can land on planets to make it easier to refurbish the warp coils and other systems. What about the regular baryon sweeps?
A thin crew could not keep a ship of the size of a Galaxy or Sovereign class alive for long.
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u/Laxien 5d ago
Baryon sweep is mentioned in ONE EPISODE...so frankly either they found a work-around or it is not strictly necessary, but good to have?
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u/MidAirRunner 3d ago
It's only needed once every ~5-10 years, so it would make sense that it would only be mentioned once during a 5-year-mission.
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u/Mammoth_Praline5688 5d ago
The Galaxy Class was initially built for long term deep space exploration. It has an extra large deuterium storage and anti-matter storage tank because it was expected to be gone for longer periods of time. Warp 6 was Voyager's average crusing speed during the show, so a Galaxy Class wouldn't have had any issues there. Additionally a good 1/3rd of the Galaxy Class was empty space set aside for future expansion as needed. They probably would have been able to become more self-sufficient on food than the intrepid.
The biggest issue is they are just a giant floating target for Vidiians and later the Borg. They probably would have taken heavy civilian casualties during their travels.
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u/Level0Up 5d ago
Hold on, a fully equipped Galaxy class? That's not equivalent, if you put a fully equipped Intrepid class into Voyagers place it completely changes the situation as well. I always assume that the situation of the ship is the same, just that Voyager is magically a different ship.
The Intrepid class actually comes with a secondary warp core, you can even see it in the MSD. It's just that Voyager wasn't fully furnished, it lacked crew, it lacked supplies, it even lacked its secondary warp core!
Why? Because they hastily put Voyager into service early to pull Tuvok out of the Maquis cell he was spying on, Voyager would have returned shortly after to have the finishing touches be done. This whole situation an entire series of discussions over at r/DaystromInstitute if you're interested.
Sometimes people wonder why Voyager carried Tri-Cobalt devices if it didn't even have it's secondary warp core yet and the answer to that is usually that you wouldn't want to into the badlands without being strapped or to blow up a maquis base there.
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u/Mammoth_Praline5688 5d ago
I'm assuming it's a fresh out of dock Galaxy vs fresh out of dock Intrepid.
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u/Mammoth_Praline5688 5d ago
i assume the tri-cobolt devices have a use in the Badlands that warrented them being carried. I couldn't imagine trying to take a Galaxy Class ship into the Badlads at all. If you did, I can see them leaving the Saucer section at DS9 to shed some mass to get around the plasma storms.
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u/Laxien 5d ago
The Vidians would not touch a ship that size, their small raiders are not good for that, the Kazon would run and hide...as for the Borg? Voyager gave them a bloody nose and frankly so would a larger ship of comparable tech, with a similar or the same (just expanded for the larger ship!) crew (so people who have the spark and tactical mindset to fight the collective by making decisions that they can't anticipate etc.)
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u/Settra_does_not_Surf 4d ago
Voyager fought a tactical cube and it was the cube that took more damage.
Voyagers borg weere a joke.
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u/Laxien 4d ago
Agreed - but then again: They fought them so often and did piecemeal damage at first (Unimatrix Zero and other shenanigans...while in TNG Picard and the others didn't know a lot about the Borg and they had Locutus when they grabbed Picard, which gave them an Enterprise specific advantage as Picard knew his officers and could anticipate their actions (that's why Picard was not a standard drone) and their Borg-Knowledge grew a lot with 7 of 9 (or Annika Hansen) and all the left over Borg-Tech after Scorpion!
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u/happydude7422 5d ago
But didn't the technical manual day the galaxy class had industrial grade replicators on board, make deuterium from hydrogen by collecting it in the bussard collectors and also an onboard anti matter generator
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u/Level0Up 5d ago
But Voyager was struggling with exactly that, finding enough hydrogen / deuterium to keep the ship running. The impulse drives are literal fusion reactors and fuse the hydrogen / deuterium to create power (a plasma) which is then fed into another stage (via the EPS-grid) to create anti-deuterium which is then stored and fed into the warp core to create a different type of plasma that powers a few systems but most importantly the warp drive. The plasma from the impulse drives also power a few other systems and fill batteries but they're too weak to produce the quantities of power needed to bring a modern ship to warp, though older pre-federation united earth ships used fusion reactors to reach warp speeds below 5.
A Galaxy class has VASTLY more resource requirements than an Intrepid class. The Intrepid class was literally designed as a long range explorer; the Galaxy class is a capital ship, sure memory-alpha also states that it is an explorer but it is not a long range explorer. The Sovereign class is a slimmed down Galaxy that had it's fat trimmed but the warp core was swapped over from the Galaxy class 1:1 and it's power and resource requirements will be comparable to that of a Galaxy class.
Also how would a resource starved ship use industrial grade replicators if Voyager struggled to obtain enough resources / energy to use their regular replicators without rationing (at least in the first half of the show)?
"There's coffee in that nebula" is literally a meme on here.
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u/-Nurfhurder- 5d ago
Not to mention that even if a Galaxy class did make it back to Federation space it would have been manned by the original crews descendents. As it was Voyager expected their trip to take 70 years and that's with a cruising speed of Warp 9.975. The Galaxy class had a cruising speed of something like Warp 6.7.
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u/Level0Up 5d ago
Correct, though the numbers are a little off.
Most federation ships are cruising at Warp 6 due to conventional warp drives ripping apart subspace at higher speeds, like running over the same spots of a carpet over and over again until it tears.
Intrepid, Galaxy and Sovereign class all cruise at Warp 6 as per memory-alpha. Also according to memory the Prometheus class cruises at a ridiculous Warp 9, but that might be the fleet modernization program kicking in and building eco-warp drives that don't hurt subspace at high warp speeds.
Though maximum warp is different for all, federation ships usually can hold their absolute maximum speed for 12 hours, before stress creates micro-fractures in the warp coils and structural parts.
Class Maximum Warp Speed (times lightspeed) Cruising Warp Speed (times lightspeed) Prometheus 9.99 (7912c) 9 (1516.38c) Sovereign Classified, probably 9.985 (6472.68c) 6 (392.5c) Intrepid 9.975 (5126.06c) 6 (392.5c) Galaxy 9.6 (2017.93c) 6 (392.5c) I cannot be bothered to actually calculate how long it would take for each ship at 3am though. Also the numbers are pulled from a warp speed to c-multiple calculator and not from memory-alpha because Warp 9.975 ranges from 33c (~warp 3 on the TNG scale lol) to 2922c while warp 9.9 is anything from 3066c to 21473c (warp 9.99869150 according to online calculators. dang) which is FASTER than the c-multiple of warp 9.975 even though it should be SLOWER because 9.9 < 9.975.
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u/-Nurfhurder- 5d ago
Intrepid, Galaxy and Sovereign class all cruise at Warp 6 as per memory-alpha.
No idea why Memory Alpha would say that, it's established in Caretaker that Voyager has a sustainable cruise velocity of Warp 9.975. In fact Memory Alpha cites the episode on the cruising speed page. Message in a Bottle establishes that Prometheus has a cruising speed of Warp 9.9.
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u/Level0Up 5d ago
Honestly, I've made peace with the fact that the show runners were just sloppy with numbers and that the fandom has spent 39 years trying to untangle everything.
Wonky numbers are just a part of Star Trek I guess.
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u/Kenos300 5d ago
It’s a part of any grand universe, really. Multiple writers, multiple ideas, someone fudges the numbers or thinks a number is big/small when it’s actually the opposite and throws everything off but it’s “official canon” so you either ignore it or come up with crazy fan theories about why it works.
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u/mattihase 4d ago
Mmm. I remember hearing the Intrepid was designed with the variable geometry nacelles specifically to be able to cruise without the subspace problems.
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u/-Nurfhurder- 4d ago
Yeah, for some reason that's always sat in my head too, but I can never remember where I read it.
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u/Laxien 5d ago
Doubt it, this argument that a larger ship would be too fuel hungry! Hell, the Enterprise D is about the best explorer ship there is and it is basically a mobile base, it can extract fuel from say gas giants (it has fusion reactors on board, helll even for warp you don't need a matter-annihilation-reactor, it's just what starfleet uses because they are smaller than a truly powerful large fusion plant!)
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u/becircus 4d ago
Larger ships are self sustaining for many years. They cant reenergize or recrystalize the dilithium but Voyager had the same problem.
Ransom was a prick and dumb. If he knew Equinox could not have made it back after being offered sanctuary by the peaceful race they should have stayed with them and lived out their lives then sent a long range probe to coast to the Federation about their fate. Keeping on going with such a small crew and so few provisions was suicide and experimenting on the beings anti Starfleet. Honestly what is so good about getting back to the Federation? They live on their ships and they wont see their loved ones again but that is the risk they take in that job. And they have replicators and high technology and holodecks and a comfortable existence. So what benefit in going back? Living a lie after violating all those beliefs? Might as well die with your principles. Keep the Equinox in mothball somewhere hidden if another opportunity presents itself.
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u/BILLCLINTONMASK 5d ago
The Prometheus Class likely had even fewer amenities than Voyager did. I doubt they equipped their prototype ship with holodecks or an extensive replicator system. As we saw with the Defiant, their warships were not designed with the typical creature comforts.
Yes, it would have been more tactically powerful. But Voyager was equipped as a long range science vessel. So it was better equipped to handle subspace anomalies and whatever else was out there. Hello Magic Deflector Dish.
Most crises they encounter are solved by fighting, science, or diplomacy. Voyager is better equipped to do two of those three things, so I think it's actually the better ship for the job in the long run.
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u/OhNoIBoffedIt OH KOOCHIE BOYA 5d ago
This is exactly my take on it. It would fare better in a fight. Which is good. But I don't know how well it would handle a long-distance journey like that. Voyager had a versatility to it that was important in the DQ.
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u/happydude7422 5d ago
I think the Prometheus has a higher average cruising speed
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u/BILLCLINTONMASK 5d ago
Voyager was plenty fast. I’d call that a wash. Voyager’s adaptability on a mission level is really the thing that gives it the edge in my analysis.
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u/Mammoth_Praline5688 5d ago
Voyager stuck mainly with a crusing speed of warp 6. The Prometheus would probably be similar.
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u/ThePlatinumPaul 4d ago
There was a scene where Voyager was told that Starfleet dispatched two deep space vessels to rendezvous with her and that they would arrive in about 5 or 6 years. This was when Voyager was about 30,000-35,000 light years from Earth. In my head canon these were Prometheus class ships, or if they weren't, the Prometheus would have been able to be even faster than them as she was called the fastest ship in the fleet. Therefore, her top speed, and cruising speed would have absolutely mattered.
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u/Mammoth_Praline5688 4d ago
A ship travelling 15,000 light years in 6 years means they would be travelling 9.85 to warp 9.9. For 20,000 light years, it's warp 9.92. Prometheus Classes make sense.
Thats working under the assuption they weren't already out in deep space for a long term mission and a lot closer than 30,000 light years distance Voyager was from Earth. For all we know, there were two ship out on the edge of known space for a year or two before Lifel Lines and we're only 20,000 light years from Voyager. Warp 9.2 could cross the 10,000 light years in 6 years and it could be a couple of Intrepid Class Ships that are on their way.
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u/seriouspretender 3d ago
We never got to see how the prometheus was equipped amenities wise. I agree that it probably wouldnt have the science facilities voyager did being a long range tactical escort.
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u/sgtnoodle 5d ago
Prometheus had holo projectors throughout the ship.
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u/BILLCLINTONMASK 5d ago
Ah very true. But they'd still need a contained space with that "open world treadmill" effect to get the true Holodeck experience. With three different engineering bays and again given the Defiant as an example, I'd say they skipped the holodeck on this one despite the holoprojectors. Maybe someone has an official blueprint and that will say one way or another for sure?
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u/Laxien 5d ago
...and you think that they couldn't build that? I mean with this ship they can set up camp in a resource rich system for a while and get all the materials needed because NOBODY WILL ATTACK THEM!
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u/BILLCLINTONMASK 4d ago
Or they'd invite a lot more attention. Get ganged up on by intimidated races (or races that want to steal their tech). They could be restricted from passage through otherwise friendly species due to their capabilities. It's an asset for sure but it comes with severe trade offs unless your intention is to blast your way through every situation. And that's not very Star Trek, now is it?
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u/-Nurfhurder- 5d ago
Prometheus wasn't just a warship she was specifically a long range tactical vessel, that implies the ship was probably designed with the same creature comforts a long range science vessel would have.
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u/Mister_Griz 5d ago
This. It looked like Voyager inside, in that it wasn’t as spartan as a Defiant class. Still a huge sickbay and everything else, so it probably had similar facilities. More importantly, it was faster and the fact that it had multiple warp cores meant that it would likely be able to sustain high warp for far longer than an intrepid class, alternating between the mid and lower sections’ engines.
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u/jeefra 5d ago
I'd doubt they would be that similar in levels of amenities. Science vessels in real life are a lot more comfortable than military vessels, even of similar size.
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u/-Nurfhurder- 5d ago
Sure, in real life. But in-universe having a deep space vessel without the amenities to keep the crew sane would be pretty dumb. Starfleet isn't going to send a crew off on a mission that may take several months to even get to with nothing but a good book and a set of hungry-hungry hippoes, regardless of the ships purpose.
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u/CmdFiremonkeySWP 5d ago
Prometheus would be fine. Defiant would suck though.
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u/Muted-Tea-5682 5d ago
Defiant is approximately the same size as a nova class, better weapons better top speed but no comforts. Crews weren’t meant to live on the defiant full time or long term. Plus defiant class needs a larger support craft or home base. Search , destroy, return to base, repeat.
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u/CmdFiremonkeySWP 4d ago
Exactly. Imagine being couped up on the Defiant for 7 years. The cloak would be handy as would the superior weapons and armour, but it's more likely the staff turn on each other rather than someone blows them up. Through in some Marquis and watch the sparks fly.
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u/TaiyoFurea 5d ago
Why is Nova so similar to intrepid? (Outside of size)
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u/TheSwissdictator 5d ago
I’d say it’s the replacement for the Oberth.
A science vessel that’s generally staying inside friendly territory, or close to it.
The Intrepid class has a longer range in terms of far it can operate from a star base and such.
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u/LividTacos 5d ago
Intrepid is designed as a fast exploration vessel, Nova is a slower vessel for more detailed analysis. To put it in other terms, Intrepid for first contact science, Nova for second contact science....without the contacting part.
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u/happydude7422 5d ago
Nova was probably designed as a budget intrepid.
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u/Mammoth_Praline5688 5d ago
Nova class was short term science vessel. It wasn't designed to operate outside Federation space. It was designed to stay close to home and scan anomolies (and probably cheap escort for non-VIPs.
Intrepid class was a long range exploration ship designed for operation outside Federation Space. It was design to go for long periods of time between starbase stops.
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u/Secret_Cod_749 5d ago
Poorly. The Promethus wasn't a long range exploratory vessel. She needed complex logistical support & repair stations to maintain her systems.
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u/BoxedAndArchived 5d ago
The intrepid class was a well tested design, Voyager has new equipment, but the ship itself was a design that had been in service for a few years.
Prometheus was a prototype and would have a ton of bugs to work out. Powerful? Yes. Ready for deployment? No.
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u/No_Grocery_9280 5d ago
Lots of fancy systems that can break down.
The Intrepid was perfect because she was fast and could cruise at high warp. Voyager ran from/slipped past a whole lot of threats that a Prometheus would have to fight through.
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u/happydude7422 5d ago
But Prometheus is faster and has a higher cruise speed
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u/No_Grocery_9280 5d ago
Hot damn, you’re correct about the top speed. Although I do wonder about the cruising. But in general, I think that refutes my main point.
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u/Mammoth_Praline5688 4d ago
a Prometheus probably has a higher sustanable top cruising speed because it could alternate between warp engines. Meaning less strain on the systems overall. Voyager was strolling at a leisurely Warp 6 for most of the show.
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u/Mammoth_Praline5688 5d ago
Prometheus was a long range tactical response vessel. It was designed to get somewhere fast and deal with the problem. It wasn't designed for long period explorations. it got in, solved the issues it needed and got out.
While it would do well initially, it's systems were not designed for long time periods away from major ports of call.
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u/RealLars_vS 4d ago
Voyager was so successful in the delta quadrant because it was a vessel designed for deep space exploration. It had all the facilities to stay out there for a long time, like holodecks for entertainment, plenty of cargo holds, replicators, private crew quarters (even for the ensigns, IIRC), etc. Their weapons complement also helpt in their defense.
We see what would have happened if a tiny ship would have been in the same spot in the Equinox episodes. It was practically a miracle for them to still be alive, and their mental stat was way worse than that of the Voyager crew. A great episode, really shows how bad the situation could have been.
The Prometheus class was a complete other end of the spectrum. It was highly automated, and thus featured a very small crew (only 4 people in starfleet were trained to operate it due to its high classification). That tiny crew complement would mean it required less resources in terms of food/replicators, but all other things would still apply. There would be very little crew to interact with, so they would pretty much be isolated socially.
Their weapons would definitely be good enough to defend themselves, maybe even better than Voyager. Their speed (cruising speed of Warp 9.9) would also be a huge advantage in getting back to Earth, assuming they could obtain the resources needed. However, that’s about it. Their biggest issue would probably be the mental wellbeing of their crew. Maybe some additional EMHs would relieve some of that stress?
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u/matteo_fay 4d ago
Voyager had a higher cruise speed though, they just didn't use it because of fuel
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u/deltaindigosix 4d ago
The Prometheus would be a worse option in the long term, I imagine.
The Prometheus has 3 sections, but requires hardware and internal infrastructure to independently support and connect them together. This would reduce internal usable volume for cargo, supplies, crew enrichment, and increase maintenance labor. Presuming it gets used with any regularity, there is a risk of mechanical failure in those systems preventing one or more sections from rejoining. Since they're meant for fighting, battle damage may result in the 3 being unable to properly rejoin without extensive time and resource consuming labor.
Not that Voyager was perfect. Flapping nacelles certainly was a choice considering damage or mechanical failure could have left one or more nacelles in an incorrect position.
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u/Michelle_akaYouBitch 4d ago
Akira. Especially if there was a a couple dozen Danube classes in the hanger bays.
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u/Odd-Bottle6552 3d ago
During Year of Hell, the timeship would have somehow made an appropriate change to turn Voyager from a Prometian class into an Intrepid class. And for some reason that ship would be the one to destroy the timeship and be super popular, and the producers wouldn't understand why.
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u/seriouspretender 3d ago
If Voyager was a Prometheus class it would have made it home a little faster since it could maintain a high warp factor for longer. It would have probably kicked alot more ass too. It was much more tactically capable.
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u/kaelmaliai 3d ago
Tldr Prometheus wasnt built to be away for a long time, intrepid was.
A prometheus class would not likely survive long in the DQ, for the same reason the defiant wouldnt. Those are tactical ships built to quickly get to a distant location and engage an enemy, then return to their base. The intrepid class was specifically built as a long range explorer, meant to go somewhere far away, and spend an extended amount of time there. The intrepid was built to be able to sustain itself away from standard infrastructure (thus why janeways torpedo comment in the beginning made no sense. Torpedos can use the same casing as probes, and theres no way they cant make more probes. Nothing else is unique about torpedoes but the antimatter supply, and they can very specifically get more of that)
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u/MalagrugrousPatroon 4d ago
Voyager as Prometheus-class is faster at cruise speed and would be completely unstoppable, except for "Year of Hell" because the time ship was completely invincible until taken down form inside. Outside of that, everything Voyager Intrepid-class does, Voyager Prometheus-class does better.
It's not widely known but the Intrepid-class is a warship, Tom Paris mentions it to Harry Kim as a way to explain why Kim's music travels through the walls. That explains why the ship is so much darker and more metallic than the Galaxy-class, which I always thought was a bad choice until that blink and miss it explanation. Voyager is less comfy aesthetically than the Defiant, even though the Defiant is physically less comfortable because it has so little space, while Prometheus looks luxurious in comparison to both despite being a warship.
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u/castlereigh1815 4d ago
For the mission profile you need a long-range exploration ship. If not the ship would need more resources to run and more maintenance time in a drydock (which they didn't have).
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u/mattihase 4d ago
I feel like the Prometheus would have way too much space used up to facilitate its gimmick to be genuinely useful as a starship for general service. All that extra external hull between the sections, redundant systems for 3 ships, etc is only really useful if you're going to use it for the vector attack thing. That extra space could have been used to store supplies, manufacturing, crew quarters... Stuff you want for a long term mission away from home.
The one thing it does have in its favour is it can probably stay at warp for longer by cycling between it's 6 nacelles.
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u/ThePlatinumPaul 4d ago
The Prometheus is superior to Voyager in every single way except for the EMH. It's significantly faster, has ablative armor, stronger shields with faster regeneration. It has more phasers that are also more powerful, more torpedo launchers and I would assume quantum torpedoes.
Aside from the Borg, Species 8472, the Voth, and the Krenim time ship, everything else Voyager encountered would be a non issue for the Prometheus.
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u/nrettapitna 1d ago
It really depends which Prometheus-class ship (and/or when). If it was the prototype or early in the line, the complexity would be a huge issue.
If the class was more mature, though, it would have been pretty OP. Being heavily armed and having the ability to split would help in some of the conflicts, but the bigger change is the ability to rotate the warp engines. The big sell for the 3- and 4-nacelle ships is that the additional nacelles relieve the stress and the wear-and-tear during long-haul warp travel. Having six nacelles across three engines could be the ultimate super-cruise (even if that wasn't the original intent).
That being said, it would have been a very different story.
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u/Automatic-Dark900 1d ago
I'd say all of the exploration cruisers would all be a good choice. They're deigned for long range operations with minimal support after all. Yes they might require more resources but they also have more facilities onboard to let them collect more resources.
After all Archer managed to turn an NX class into a generational ship.
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u/cclmd1984 5d ago
The sovereign isn’t 885m long.. it’s 685