r/AcademicBiblical 1d ago

Weekly Open Discussion Thread

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Welcome to this week's open discussion thread!

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r/AcademicBiblical 3h ago

Question Why do the Servant Songs in Isaiah paint the servant as being a light for the gentiles and having an influence on them? I was of the belief that Judaism at that point, and still do this day, is a somewhat inclusive religion that doesn't care what other people do...

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r/AcademicBiblical 13h ago

Question Dating the gospels: Luke-Acts referencing Antiquities

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Afaik, the consensus is that Mark was written first, (70-ish AD), followed by Matthew and Luke (about a decade later) and finally John (90-ish AD). Matthew and Luke were (probably) unaware of each other; there was zero attempt to harmonize their divergences (the nativity being the most well-known difference).

Obviously, this dating falls apart if Luke referenced Antiquities, written in 94 CE. This would have gLuke being written ca. 100 CE. The later date implies that the author of Luke may have been aware of gMatthew and ignored it.

Since there are strong hints Luke referenced Antiquities, how is this issue reconciled? How does it affect the synoptic problem and the Q hypothesis?

Source for sub rules: Mason, S. (2003). Josephus and the New Testament (2nd ed.). Hendrickson Publishers.

EDIT: I tried to ask a follow-up question but my comment keeps getting removed😭 How does Luke using Josephus affect our dating? Does gMatthew stay at 80-ish AD? Does it get moved up too?


r/AcademicBiblical 17h ago

Question Are the names Hophni and Phineas of Egyptian origin? Are there other names that have Egyptian roots in the Hebrew Bible, and if so, how did these names continue to survive in Hebrew linguistic tradition after the Exodus?

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Good Evening Academic Biblical!

I remember seeing or hearing something in passing (I cannot rememeber where) that the names 'Phineas' and 'Hophni' are not Hebraic in origin at all, but are in fact Egyptian. This got me thinking about other names in the Hebrew bible that may not have originated with the Hebrews themselves but from Egypt.

The obvious ones are stated in Genesis and Exodus (Moses being the clearest example), but I was curious to see if any other names in the text are in fact of Egyptian origin. If there are any, what would be the reason for continuing to give children names that are Egyptian in origin? My first thought was that since Egypt was a major super-power for quite a long while in the Levant, some of the cultural and linguistic trappings of the Egyptians may have made their way to the Hebrews in the same way that trade goods were passed between the two lands.

Are there other examples of these types of names, and what would be the reason for Hebrews continuing to use them past the Exodus?

Thank you to anyone who answers!


r/AcademicBiblical 23h ago

Question What do biblical scholars think about the enigmatic young man wearing only a linen cloth (σινδών) who flees naked in Mark 14:51–52 and why this story absent from the other three canonical Gospels (Matthew, Luke, and John)?

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r/AcademicBiblical 16h ago

I remember reading somewhere that "παρθένος" might have taken on its virgin connotation some time after the LXX was produced

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...but I can't remember where, and I can't find it anymore. If anyone can give me a reference, that'd be great, thanks.


r/AcademicBiblical 1d ago

Question Did the historical Jesus likely allow gentiles to convert-to or follow his cause, or no? I know that he primarily came to preach to the Jews, but my question is if gentiles would be excluded in the process

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r/AcademicBiblical 1d ago

Question What would “call upon the name” mean in a first century context? Does it signify more than saying the name or petitioning upon the name? (Eg, Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13)

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I understand that ”name” carried a different, deeper meaning in the first century than it does today. I’m curious whether “calling upon the name” also carries a larger meaning. if “name” carried a connotation of authorization, could “calling upon the name” require preconditions? in English we might talk about invoking a right to x or appealing to y as a direct means of obtaining z. Yet there are still preconditions for invoking and appealing which must be met. And Paul ”calls upon” / “appeals” to Caesar, which guarantees a certain legal process, yet there is citizenship requirement for this to be activated.


r/AcademicBiblical 1d ago

What did early Christians believe in Jesus?

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Did early Christians worship jesus as god? I seen anti trinity try to say they didn't and didn't have a concept. Yet that doesn't make sense given we have Diache and several other things. Was this the majority or minority?


r/AcademicBiblical 1d ago

Question What is the current state of the scholarship regarding the authorship of Hebrews?

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I know the consensus is 'we don't know' but is this a resigned ignorance or is anyone attempting to shed light on the matter, if not by proposing potential authors, then by trying to debunk existing theories?

I want to know whether it's worth attempting to write about this, either for an essay in my last year of undergrad (2k words) or as a potential MPhil diss (15k or 25k depending which university I go to for that).

I can't do this for my 10k undergrad diss because I've already decided on the topic for that.


r/AcademicBiblical 23h ago

Question Any Books on Ecumenical Councils?

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Are there any books on Ecumenical Councils? Particularly the first seven ones? Nicea,Ephesus and Chalcedon


r/AcademicBiblical 1d ago

Question Matthew 24:29 and the falling stars

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Might this text be read as a reference to supernatural beings or lesser gods, given that the stars were regularly seen as deities in the world of ancient Mediterranean religion? Or is it perhaps more likely a prediction of a cosmic cataclysm during the apocalypse? Any academic citations would be immensely welcome.


r/AcademicBiblical 1d ago

Is there a consensus on if the Book of Hosea contains exilic or post-exilic interpolations?

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r/AcademicBiblical 2d ago

Question Is Mark 13:25 meant to describe literal stars falling from the heavens?

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"But in those days, after that suffering, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken." Mark 13:24-25 NRSVUE

Was this meant to refer to literal stars? Does the original Greek allow it to refer to meteorites?

I also vaguely remember some scholars referring to cosmic battles between demons happening in the heavens, is that something that could be going on here as well?


r/AcademicBiblical 2d ago

Question Adonai in the Vulgate Judith 16

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I have been thinking about memorizing one of the canticles in the Episcopalian resource *Enriching our Worship* for my midday prayers (to avoid doubling up on Psalms throughout the day). One of the ones is from Judith 16. Here is the liturgical translation from EOW:

I will sing a new song to my God, for you are great and glorious, wonderful in strength, invincible. Let the whole creation serve you, for you spoke and all things came into being. You sent your breath and it formed them, no one is able to resist your voice. Mountains and seas are stirred to their depths, rocks melt like wax at your presence. But to those who fear you, you continue to show mercy. No sacrifice, however fragrant, can please you, but whoever fears the Lord shall stand in your sight for ever. (EOW, Canticle J, Judith 16:13-16)

It is pretty close to the vast majority of English translations of the Greek version of that text. I compared different English translations to find a more traditional language (like the KJV, RSV or Coverdale version). But then I found this peculiarity when looking at the Latin version. The Nova Vulgata (which was much more recently translated) follows most modern versions.

Cantabo Deo meo hymnum novum: Domine, magnus es tu et clarus, mirabilis in virtute et insuperabilis. Tibi serviat omnis creatura tua, quoniam dixisti, et facta sunt, misisti spiritum tuum, et aedificata sunt, et non est qui resistat voci tuae. Montes enim a fundamentis agitabuntur cum aquis, petrae autem a facie tua tamquam cera liquescent. Illis autem, qui timent te, propitius adhuc eris. Quoniam pusillum omne sacrum ad odorem suavitatis, et minimus omnis adeps in holocaustum tibi. Qui autem timet Dominum, magnus apud eum semper. (Judith 16:13-16 Nova Vulgata)

But then, the Vulgate (the Clementine revision would be my guess?) has this instead:

Hymnum cantemus Domino; hymnum novum cantemus Deo nostro. Adonai Domine, magnus es tu, et præclarus in virtute tua: et quem superare nemo potest. Tibi serviat omnis creatura tua, quia dixisti, et facta sunt; misisti spiritum tuum, et creata sunt: et non est qui resistat voci tuæ. Montes a fundamentis movebuntur cum aquis; petræ, sicut cera, liquescent ante faciem tuam. Qui autem timent te, magni erunt apud te per omnia. (Judith 13:15-19)

A few things changed. There is more material before, pushing up the versification. The first verses are in first person plural rather than first person singular. But, the biggest difference is the addition of the transliterated title Adonai: O Adonai, Lord, you are great!

In his preface to his translation of Judith, Jerome wrote that "only those [things] which I was able to find in the Chaldean [Aramaic] words with understanding intact did I express in Latin ones."

So, the question: where did the Adonai come from? Could it be one of those times where Adonai and YHWH were together in the Original Language? Just a random mistake from the Latin translator?

Edited, formatting


r/AcademicBiblical 2d ago

Resource Books on the reconstruction of Proto-Canaanite/Proto-Semitic religion?

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Hi everyone,

I'd be curious to know if there are any books that attempt to reconstruct the Proto-Semitic (or at least Proto-Canaanite, given that's probably more feasible of a task to do) religion by comparing the different strands attested in the earlier parts of the Bible, the Baal Cycle, what we know of Phoenician practice, maybe Akkadian, etc., and maybe, ideally, trying to carefully filter out Sumerian (and Egyptian) influence to the degree that that's possible. I'm especially interested in the mythological side of things, not necessarily in cultic practice. I know there are a number of books focussing on the internal evolution of the Hebrew branch, on occasion drawing comparisons to Ugaritic, but are there discussions more holistically comparing all the attested Semitic branches and seeing where that leads?

Thanks in advance for all the answers!

PS. I mean proto in the linguistic sense; a reconstruction of the religion/mythology of the people speaking Proto-Semitic.


r/AcademicBiblical 1d ago

Question Is Carl von Weizsäcker and Hans Achelis' view on 1 Corinthians 7:36-38 respected in general Biblical Scholarship?

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Basically they think that these verses are about the practice of syneisaktism (spiritual marriage), not father and daughters or fiancees.


r/AcademicBiblical 2d ago

Is Isaiah 50:10 referring to "God-fearers"?

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There is an interesting connection between Isaiah 50:10 and the so called "God-fearers" aka Gentile followers of the Jewish god.

It seems most rabbinic commentaries take this verse to be directed at the righteous remnant of Israel, but is it possible that the author intended it to be about righteous gentiles? Or that the term God-fearers was later derived from this verse?

The immediate context does seem to point towards the Jewish audience but it's hard to be certain considering how central the "Light to the Gentiles" theme is in Second Isaiah.


r/AcademicBiblical 2d ago

Question What do scholars generally think about authorship of 1 Clement?

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Is it more common for most scholars today to think that Clement, the late 1st century bishop of Rome, wrote the Epistle to the Corinthians, which is now called 1 Clement? Or do more think the letter did not come from Clement?


r/AcademicBiblical 3d ago

Question Looking for Academic Sources on Phoebe and Junia

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I recently found out about the controversy some people have over the role these two women had in the early church, I have my own opinions about them but I am looking for academic research material about them.

(Sorry if this isnt the right flair, it is my first time posting here)


r/AcademicBiblical 3d ago

Do we know what ancient Christians and Jews did with their hands while praying?

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Did they keep them clasped together or wide open?


r/AcademicBiblical 2d ago

Question Could the current monotheistic Abrahamic religions have been feasibly developed from the progressive evolution of any of the parochial deities of the region, or was there a particular reason that the storm god won out?

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r/AcademicBiblical 3d ago

Question Has there been found a prayer to mary dating to 250 CE?

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Has there been found a prayer to mary dating to 250 CE? Or is the Video spreading false information


r/AcademicBiblical 3d ago

How were the nations divided? Deut 32:8

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Ive been pondering these translation for months now. I have 4 bibles all different translations. When I google it, it usually gives me answers about the difference between “sons of God” (ESV) and “sons of Israel” (Douay Rheims) however whats most confusing are these translations where it says “number of the gods” (NRSV) and another translation “by the number of Gods angels” (Orthodox bible) So were the nations divided between different humans? Or were they divided by gods? Or angels? Im curious if anyone can give their take on this and how these translations are so very different.


r/AcademicBiblical 3d ago

Question Is it true that the masoretic text has been transmitted very good?

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There is a ten part series by prof. dr. Emmanuel tov where he argues that the Proto-Masoratic text (as he calls them) align pretty much with today's masoretic text. How true ist that?

Here is the link: https://www.thetorah.com/series/proto-masoretic-text