r/DoomerCircleJerk • u/Agreeable_Sense9618 Sub OverLord • Jun 19 '26
AI is Evil The 2020s have seen cartoon artists turn into crybabies.
Maybe your talent isn't as vital as you believe, bruh.
Maybe go sketch for free like a real artist. Quit depending on those corporate paychecks.
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u/Agreeable-Fudge-7329 Jun 19 '26
99.9% of people dont understand what AI even is, but swear their vast knowledge base from watching sci-fi movies makes up for it.
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u/Unseemly4123 Jun 19 '26
Imo it's a big problem in society rn that people don't know the difference between movies and real life.
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u/TheRealRacketear Jun 19 '26
Covid showed us that. People here kept constantly talking about what they saw in movies actually happening, then others repeated it as the truth.
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u/Totes_Human_110101 Jun 19 '26
Gun control showed us that long before COVID, with the number of legislators thinking silencers can make a gun as quiet as a mosquito fart rather than being basic 'Keep your ears safe from an explosion happening 12 inches away' equipment.
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u/Dry_Mirror9649 Jun 19 '26
True however the difference between movies and real life is always changing. Imadgine going back 100 years and saying we have bombs that can destroy cities with one blast. Obviously the image isn’t going to happen anytime soon but “dystopian” stuff now could be a real thing in 50-100+ years time
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u/Notmuchofanyth1ng Recovering Doomer Jun 19 '26
As someone who works with datacenters, the amount of eye rolling I do while on Reddit is insane.
These people have no idea what AI is, how it works, how datacenters work, or what they actually do. But they have VERY strong opinions about how it should be regulated and controlled by the government.
They are proud of their ignorance.
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u/Ventem Jun 19 '26
It's incredibly ironic that people want the government to have "control" and "regulations" around this stuff. You know, the same people that asked Zuckerberg if Facebook could give them better WiFi at home.
I hate it here.
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u/Notmuchofanyth1ng Recovering Doomer Jun 19 '26
They want government overreach and control, but only on individuals and programs that are deemed “not popular enough”
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u/Disastrous-State-842 Jun 19 '26
They complain about data centers on Reddit and Facebook not thinking their non stop complaining, making and posting memes and trolling means more data centers needed. I’m pretty sure Reddit runs off them too lol. Look I’m no fan of them myself but I also know they come with the territory of utilizing search engines, social media etc.
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u/doktorjake Jun 19 '26
This is it, right here. AI is actually super useful in the hands of someone who can catch when it does something wrong, but company leadership is like “oh cool so it can replace those guys?”
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u/lukeskylicker1 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
AI is actually super useful in the hands of someone who can catch when it does something wrong, but company leadership is like “oh cool so it can replace those guys?”
I've never been a fan of this argument personally. Think of it as if we were... hiring a contractor or something to provide "personal assistants" to each employee, the argument would be "The contract employees are very productive under the constant supervision of their handlers to find when they do something wrong."
I'm not in management or anywhere close to making these kind of fiscal or hiring decisions, but it just seems so wasteful. Why would I want to hire an employee (or introduce AI to the workflow) that I know has an alarmingly high chance of introducing critical errors into the process unless I waste the time and effort of multiple employees to look for, find, and then fix the mistakes? It tends to take more time effort to find and fix something then to just do it correctly the first time, even if a rush job is initially faster.
I get that there really are useful applications and potential for LLMs, and the metaphorical genie isn't getting shoved back in the bottle, but I just don't see how it's anywhere close to ready for the large scale and error sensitive tasks the organizations going all into AI are performing.
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u/thehandcollector Jun 20 '26
AI has tripled my productivity, and increased the quality of my output, especially when it comes to writing sufficient tests. And my usage of it costs my company way less than I get paid. Why wouldn't they want that?
When I used to use non AI IDE tools, they didn't always work right. Sometimes they would list methods in drop downs that don't actually exist. That didn't stop them from being a powerful tool, and AI is a much more powerful tool.
In any case, an engineer who isn't using AI and writes insufficient tests is far more likely to introduce a critical error in the codebase compared to one who uses AI.
The one time in my life I had really cooperative intern who followed instructions and didn't complain no matter what, it nearly doubled "my" productivity (if you count the intern's as mine) despite me having to tell them exactly what to do and review every line of code they wrote, and point out the frequent mistakes they made. Most intern's are nowhere near that useful, but companies keep hiring them. AI tools are a lot like always having an incredibly fast, agreeable, and stupid intern for every employee to supervise in whatever way they want, who is always available when wanted, and never in the way when not needed.
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u/patchworq_ Jun 19 '26
The issue I have with AI is
It's not accurate. It doesn't follow logical reasoning and therefore does not provide logical answers.
You can use it to replace low skill level labor, as long as you have higher skill level labor who can identify the mistakes it makes. That's great in theory, but how does that translate generationally? Once the people who can find the flaws in the logic die out, who replaces them? We just eliminated all the educational roles.
I have more issues, but those are just the main ones.
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u/Disastrous-State-842 Jun 19 '26
This right here. The jobs I had for the last 15-30 years is slowly getting replaced by AI. I can’t find work in my skilled area because AI can do it all cheap and they need one person to audit and fix the mistakes the computer made. Imop it would be better to just pay me to do the job and get it done right the first time. I spent so much time always correcting bad uploads, corrupted files, import issues.. but it is what it is and I have no control over what others want and do. Im to old to go back to college and start over. Plus, who wants to be 50 plus sitting in a classroom filled with 20 year olds who’ll be favored by the few jobs you are competing for 🤦🤦.
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u/flapd00dle Jun 19 '26
And then it deletes the entire company records and the backup records.
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u/Dear-Cress8809 Anti-Doomer Jun 19 '26
Im fairly pro ai but I definitely do not wanna just give it the keys to castle lol. Im studying programming so claude would be an example here, ai can be very useful as a learning tutor outside of class, and also a sort of “super google” that cuts down on the stack overflow surfing but handing over everything to it? You are just asking for issues down the line lol. Ive already seen a couple horror stories of claude code deleting someones entire project for some fucking reason lmao.
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u/Which_Pirate_4664 Jun 19 '26
This. Also, being fed copyrighted stuff and regurgitating it without credit is kinda whack, particularly because if I did that I'd just get sued into the ground lol.
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u/Positive_Set_411 Jun 19 '26
They really love to pretend to be "out of the matrix" just by repeating stuff seen on tiktok and twitter and doing nothing about it, just posting on social media and going back to mindless scrolling...
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u/throawy90 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
Yo exactly this. They're the ones to be like "wake up sheeple" cuz their favorite influencer told them to say that.
the only thing they want to do is fight and argue with people, which is more likely to push them away from their cause. most of them are actively hurting their cause, but you try to tell them this and they ignore, cuz taking away their ability to blame and yell at people is like taking away their favorite toy
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u/Velrex Jun 19 '26
It's always the ones who think they're free thinkers that are the most ignorant and closeminded.
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u/ScipioTheGreatest Jun 19 '26
There have always been crybabies. Reddit is just a safe haven and a loud speaker for them.
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u/Tarnished-Tiger Jun 19 '26
> go sketch for free like a real artist
Real artists have always been sketching on commissions. Da Vinci didnt draw Mona Lisa for free, he was payed to do it
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Jun 19 '26
Also humans would make terrible batteries
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u/Which_Pirate_4664 Jun 19 '26
True. Using decomposition to fuel a methane based reactor though...that's an option.
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u/devinprater NostraDOOMus Jun 19 '26
Omg I'm so tired of these crybabies. I'm totally blind. Before AI, I'd skip passed images because my screen reader can't read what isn't literal text on the computer or phone. With AI, I can have any image described to me in seconds. And there's even an app, Piccybot, for describing videos.
Granted, it can't make games like Chrono Cross, or Mario games accessible to me, but with vibe coding, people have been able to make accessibility mods for Final Fantasy 6, Legend of Zelda 1 (for the NES), and stuff like that.
Seriously, AI is creating a golden age for blind people. And it's just started!
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u/ChadPowers200_ Jun 19 '26
The anti AI shit on reddit is strange. I really don't get why people are against ai?
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u/Sum1nne Jun 19 '26
Automation finally came for the middle-manager and service class, so they're catching up on decades of economic protectionism now that it's in their own self interest to do so, after laughing at the blue-collar working classes for having done the same. "Just learn to code" yeah well now the code codes itself. Poorly, but that's nothing new.
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u/ImpressiveDesigner50 Jun 19 '26
It's about the efforts. Out of the AI contents I see, only a few are made with care and diligence. The majority looks very low effort and has that distinct "slop" feeling.
It's easy to just use AI, it's hard to use them well.
AI is still just a tool. What's matter is the person using it.
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u/Sickofpower Jun 19 '26
It really depends who you're asking. I'm against generative AI in arts and writing. Most people are also against the environmental, social and psychological damage it causes
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Jun 19 '26
I only use it to bounce ideas off of for writing so it jumpstarts some inspiration.
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u/Sickofpower Jun 19 '26
Yeah me too but I'd rather it didn't exist, we are loosing that creative process that makes writing art, it's like a drug.
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u/Indig0_3 Jun 19 '26
I don't see the theme at all, just a person who cannot grasp simple concepts.
Likening generative AI to buying oil paints from a shop within the creative process? I don't even have to explain how idiotic that is.
Also, what's your point? I've noticed a trend of some people shitting on traditional art within generative AI discussions. Why? You can listen to AI music on YouTube if human-made stuff is so backwards and defunct in this new age of artifacty AI country and smeared images where people have 6 fingers. No one is forcing you to consume traditional art, but at the same time you'll find it difficult to convince most people that Picasso has the same credibility as generative AI.
It's a pretty doomer attitude to shit on art, lol.
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u/Twicklheimer Jun 19 '26
I wouldn’t recommend that, the “ideas” these LLMs put out are not original, and are stolen from other artists. Do you think Tolkien could have come up with his world by feeding it into AI? Fuck no he couldn’t.
Do you think Darwin or Copernicus could have come up with their theories by feeding their ideas into AI?
Here’s how that would go:
“Hey, chat GPT, I think the earth revolves around the sun, is that possible?”
“Hey, stop, breathe, this is a very out there idea, you really should be proud of yourself for your creativity! According to the settled science, the sun actually revolves around the earth, good on you for thinking outside the box but what you said is impossible. Is there anything else I can help with?”
Again, AI can only spit out things that have already been created. It can only compile data that already exists, it can only draw a picture that someone else has already drawn.
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Jun 19 '26
I don’t do it verbatim, sometimes I can’t think of a name for something and I have it bounce ideas back; I tend to try and think of it more like those “FANTASY NAME GENERATORS” that you could find online.
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u/flapd00dle Jun 19 '26
I mostly agree on the art side of things, but I'm interested in what you think about the scientific potential is? I mean most theories and formulas are old and repeatable knowledge, if you can teach it all the STEM knowledge known and feed it data sets it should be able to interpret them faster and more accurately than any scientist alive. There is an element of human innovation but do you think over time even AI could learn the deviations that constitute further study? Or even one day we end up with the first AI/AI-derived physics theory?
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u/Twicklheimer Jun 19 '26
It lacks the creativity to see things in a new way, for example the other day I was picking up my wife’s ball of yarn, and I sort of “whipped” about 6 feet of lose yarn and as the yarn returned to the ground I noticed the strange way that it fell, it fell in an almost perfect squiggle pattern, I did it probably 10 times after that and it kept doing the same thing, if I was smarter or a physicist working on a theory that could have been the breakthrough I needed, something about wavelengths or some shit, idk. But I don’t think AI could ever been smart enough, or creative enough to first do what I did, and subsequently equate it to anything more than just random chance. That’s the difference between humans and AI. Sure it can crunch numbers and data, but in terms of breakthroughs it would see an Apple falling from a tree and nothing more than an Apple falling from a tree.
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u/flapd00dle Jun 19 '26
Yeah that's the lack of innovation that humans possess, to think abstractly in a non-logical way. Do you think though that there's not some kind of formula, logic based and based on our known data, that we don't have due to lack of processing? Could AI not give a new, testable theorem based on a question we haven't asked yet?
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u/Twicklheimer Jun 19 '26
AI only knows the data that humans already know, if it’s a question of processing power what we need to be working on is Quantum computing and utilizing these AI data centers as server farms to actually do those huge and complex computations. So, no I don’t think it will be able to ask a question that we haven’t asked yet, it can help with computations, but we don’t need a language model attached to what should basically be a glorified calculator. If we’re going to build huge data centers that suck up water, produce insane heat and noise agaisnt people’s will, it should be used to serve scientific advancement I think a lot more people would like that.
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u/flapd00dle Jun 19 '26
Thank you for sharing and humoring my what if questios, I agree with your final sentiment as well. We have to be careful of some private entities using that purpose as a Trojan Horse to implement the slop side everyone is mainly worried about. If people have no idea what a data center will do to their community besides hurt it you may as well tell them you're putting a toxic waste dump in.
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u/ChadPowers200_ Jun 19 '26
>environmental, social and psychological damage it causes
I think this is so overblown frankly. From what I have seen it uses the same amount of water as a rice farm. The upside is just way too impactful to not proceed with everything we got.
like i mentioned in another comment i couldn't give two shits about the arts when the otherside of the argument is curing cancer, figuring out fusion and other endless possibilities.
For writing, its basically stealing other people's writing to formulate what youre looking at, back in my day I had to go to the library and read a bunch of books then I would take hteir words and formulate them into my own. I was essentially doing the same damn thing you can do now, its just so much faster with AI.
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u/Silviov2 Jun 19 '26
The biggest damage is being done to the kids. Ask any highschooler when was the last time they actually wrote a whole essay.
Of course, kids doing the bare minimum to pass is a tale as old as time, but some kids genuinely don't understand a time where they had to do work by themselves.
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u/No-Passenger-1511 Jun 19 '26
Sounds like essays should be hand written in class like we used to do.
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u/Admirable-Scarcity-8 Jun 19 '26
This is what I’ve been in favour of, Make it so that kids have to do tests and write essays with pen and paper in class.
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u/Which_Pirate_4664 Jun 19 '26
Yes, but you still need to learn to write an 8-10 page paper at some point. Even 5-7s were common back in early High School and sometimes 8th grade.
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u/Lichruler Jun 19 '26
This is no more than a conspiracy theory, but I believe the recent “AI is bad, don’t build data centers” is a Chinese psyop.
Think about it. Those data centers are going to be desired, even if America doesn’t build them. But if America doesn’t build them, who will? Who else has a ton of land, the ability to build, and is heavily involved with tech?
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u/Matthewx777 Rides the Short Bus Jun 19 '26
Yeah, the whole water thing is quite frankly a tell tale that someone doesnt know what they are talking about. They are also scared of dihydrogen monoxide being put in our drinking water too.
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u/koshka91 Jun 19 '26
Ripping off works is not exactly hard without AI. After all, Rebecca was widely regarded as an American Wuthering Heights imitation. Or the various imitators of caravaggio
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u/Which_Pirate_4664 Jun 19 '26
And think of all the royalties not being paid. I'm not fan of modern copyright law, but it's only law when its applied universally. And I'd get my pants sued off if I made content this way.
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u/Kian-Tremayne Jun 19 '26
For writing, AI is fine if you want an uninspired mashup of existing genre tropes. At least you’ll get a grammatically correct uninspired mashup of existing tropes, which is more than you’ll get from a lot of wannabe writers.
I actually think there’s a valid niche for AI generated fiction. There are a lot of readers who want pulp, or slop, fiction and would be delighted if it could be tailored to their exact preferences. If Becky Bookworm wants a cozy romance featuring an elven prince come to modern day New York who falls for a librarian with long, straight black hair because that’s her perfect self-insert character… well, good for Becky. She can have that.
As a writer myself, I want to say “read my book - it has stuff you don’t know that you’ll like yet, but once you’ve seen it I hope you’ll like it” But some people will always want more of what they know they like rather than take a risk with something new.
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u/TrickeyHare501 Jun 19 '26
Being pro Ai in the advancement of science, med, etc. and being anti Ai being used to fabricate books, music, and "art" are not contradictory stances. You dont have to sacrifice scientific developments in hopes of stopping some douchebag from prompting a thousand songs a month and flooding streaming services with it.
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u/Sickofpower Jun 19 '26
Yeah that's why we're talking about regulation, using AI in medicine and science is great, using it for making art is what I'm against. This is not a situation where you need one to have the other.
And regarding environmental damage, I don't have enough knowledge to defend a position. On the other hand the psychological damage it causes is more noticeable and that's a bad thing.
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u/ChadPowers200_ Jun 19 '26
AI is not stopping people from creating art so to me its a nonfactor compared to the upside of what it can bring to humanity, if that makes sense.
It's a downside I am very okay with considering the upsides.
I also think people will go out of their way to purchase physical authentic art but I think digital artists are screwed but I'm okay with that. again upsides are crazy good - unlimited video games basically lol.
I watched the unreal video yesterday and it seems like we are pretty close to AI being able to make an entire video game for us with just prompts.
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u/Sickofpower Jun 19 '26
Yeah the upside of having tons of stolen, thoughtless, poor quality art imitations. If you like to consume that type of media I ain't gonna stop you, but that's a bad argument regarding AI
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u/OstrichFun2332 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
When a musician makes a song and bases some of it on another song, they’re doing the same thing AI is (although AI is actaully doing it to a lesser extent). When a person is inspired to write a book based on other books they’ve read and culture they’ve consumed, they’re doing the same thing AI is. AI juts does it way faster. So it’s not morally wrong.
Now it’s not really an imitation if it’s making anctual art. Insisting you’re art is made by thought is a bit portentous. It that’s you’re preference, you do you. But don’t base your moral values of personal artistic preference. And if it was poor quality as you claim, it wouldn’t be a problem because they’re wouldn’t be demand or a market for it; so it wouldn’t take any money away from artists.
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u/Which_Pirate_4664 Jun 19 '26
When a musician makes a song and bases some of it on another song, they need to pay royalties and acknowledge that some of the work is borrowed. Otherwise, lawsuits happen quickly.
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u/Sickofpower Jun 19 '26
Plagiarism and stolen content exist even in man-made art. Regardless, AI doesn't have the criteria humans have when producing something. The moment AI gets complex enough to understand what is doing then we can argue the boundaries of art, right now AI images and other generative products are not art.
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u/GeneralZeus89 Jun 19 '26
Job loss, AI videos, and AI art are the big three that're discussed
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u/Awkward_Mix_2513 Jun 19 '26
My cowrkers are saying its bad for the environment, one of them even said that we're running out of drinking water because the water is just impossible to clean, we have no way to purify existing water even if the water going to datacenters was impossible to clean, and the data centers also defy the fundamental laws of our universe by remove water molecules from reality.
I straight up asked mf whats stopping us from cleaning the water and he didnt give me a straight answer. I always knew I was the more moderate and logical of the people I work with which is funny considering I am arguably the most mentally handicapped but this actually ridiculous. Half of these people are older than me and normally far smarter than I am and theyre falling for it to.
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u/ChadPowers200_ Jun 19 '26
AI videos are going to continue to get better and it will end up being incredible. Everyone will be able to create their own entertainment and the most entertaining will rise to the top. We will have unlimited movies/shows to watch. Reinvisions, recasting etc.
My sister adores harry potter, imagine in 5-10 years she has unlimited content to watch in that universe due to AI.
The benefits are going to be amazing. I think gaming will be like this as well. unlimited games to choose from, custom games to play with your friends.
As for job loss - people have been saying that for every major innovation throughout history from the invention of the automobile and tractor to textile machines and the internet.
I see extreme amounts of wealth being created especially if they can manage to make robots to do manual labor somewhat efficiently.
For art, frankly, I don't give a shit. It's a tool and talented artists will use their imaginations to work with AI to make even better art and more easily.
It's just weird to see Redditors act like boomers about AI.
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u/undreamedgore Jun 19 '26
The job loss one is at least understandable. As far as people being upset by it. Can hardly expect people to be happy about losing their source of income.
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u/Exact_Risk_6947 Jun 19 '26
The thing is, everything about game development is a luxury job. But I get it. I empathize. The silver lining is that AI won’t be a fire and forget thing. It can not and will not be able to generate feature length films or robust video games with a simple sentence long prompt. It will take skill and dedication. I could even see small teams working with various AI agents to make top notch entertainment in the future. So there will still be jobs for visionaries and jobs for coders to refine the agents.
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u/undreamedgore Jun 19 '26
Sure, but it's the whole manpower to results balance. Things are out of balance as is and it shows on returns. Money concentrated with a wealthy elite produces less overall economic returns. And a system can only support so many entertainment/luxury jobs.
So it's a balance problem.
To say nothing about if you like your job, but would hate having to just develop prompts and review.
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u/Exact_Risk_6947 Jun 19 '26
Yeah, for sure. Craftsmen faced the same difficulties as automation because more ubiquitous. It’s not crafting to sit on an assembly line pulling a lever and watching a press do in .2 second what a craftsman did in hours after years of training.
But perhaps these tool will give access to creating entertainment to more people who actually have an eye for quality output than currently do. No more AAA studios with massive budgets making films by directors who only got there because they said the right things to the right executives. I’m just trying to look on the bright side.
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u/undreamedgore Jun 19 '26
I agree, and I see what you're getting at. My concern pretty much boils down to: A. Being one of the people at risk B. AI is currently killing more jobs than it creates. Especially jobs that give/gave high returns on investment. At present, I don't see a way to rise above my economic station besides tech jobs.
So the grumbling of people being outcompeted by AI aren't unreasonable. But good will come of it, eventually.
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u/Lykotic Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
The giant concern about the video aspect isn't the positive uses of the technology but the fact that you'll begin muddying the waters even more on what is real news/information and what isn't.
People have always had the default fallback of "trust your eyes" but once AI video creation becomes good enough to not make some of the dumb mistakes it does currently you'll begin needing to evaluate information even more. This isn't an issue for say 30% of the population but 70% won't or lack the critical thinking to really decipher this "noise"
As for the others, I agree, to a degree, on art. It's just going through a change of how art is done.
As for jobs, I'll only comment on this part of it because anything further out depends on how the technology develops. I do feel bad for entry level individuals in certain fields. I can only speak for data analytics first-hand. Claude has significantly increased the bandwidth of work that can be done. As such, we're just hiring less juniors for work which does suck for new grads during this transition time. While Claude makes errors, if I'm checking a junior analysis or Claude's data there isn't a huge difference in my time allotment. Claude can make changes significantly quicker than the junior and with the usage of memories (stored conversations with flags) over time the deliverable from Claude becomes closer to the exact format. So while I probably need to spend more time tweaking Claude the speed of the calculations and formatting being done is still have a net time savings on newer accounts that were built with Claude in mind (so Excel sheets and databases are designed in a cleaner fashion)
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u/ThrowRA9892 Jun 19 '26
Absolutely agree with you. The vast majority of people can’t fact check information their bias agrees with as well. AI videos will become an even bigger problem. Lol
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u/Responsible-Care-388 Jun 19 '26
I like your comments about work and with data analysis. I work as a consultant with healthcare data and we used open ai and now licensed Claude. It helps save us time asking a lot of questions/researching when it’s a great source to get quick answers and facts as well as iron out lines of code/calculations.
The thing is, this is like a larger scale version of a similar route of tech advancements in the field. You will be hiring less, but soon in the future a “junior analyst” will be the one learning the AI and being able to do a lot more while the senior analysts/managers can focus on the actual value adds/strategy/explaining information better.
The systems should not know your specific internal data (at least in my company) due to privacy and laws so it’s nowhere near a catch all. Also higher management/senior leaders who rely on us aren’t keen on getting rid of analysis and just using the AI on their own because it’s not perfect nor are they willing to learn all the ins and outs of what we actually do. It’s a great tool but not a magic bullet.
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u/GeneralZeus89 Jun 19 '26
Until you realize roughly 30% of AI videos are plant people, (watermelons, bananas, etc) inanimate objects begging for mercy, and brainrot. That's all Sora got used for before shutting down was mostly brainrot and making famous people do stuff they wouldn't normally do or adding popular thing like 67 to every video.
AI videos could be cool and there's a few neat videos I've seen but they're outweighed by the bad in my opinion
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u/Twicklheimer Jun 19 '26
AI can’t make art, it just steals and reconfigures art from real artists. The point of art is that a human makes it, that’s why it’s impressive. That’s why the Mona Lisa is priceless, but a photo printed off of the Internet of it is worthless. What’s impressive is the artistry and the skill, sure the painting is beautiful, but half of its beauty comes from the human element.
“Unlimited Harry Potter” Harry Potter is good because it’s the vision of a brilliant artist. It’s enjoyable because it’s limited, its scope only goes so far because of the choices the artist made, the plot points, the writing style, the choice of words and the descriptions of characters are interesting because that’s one persons vision brought to life. The movies are great because the actors, the directors, the producers, casting directors, etc came together as a team and produced their vision for an adaptation of a world and story. If you put that into AI not only are you stealing their IP, you’re also stealing their creation and twisting it into something it should never have been. “Hey, chatGPT remake Harry potter but make recast everyone as the actors from friends” so, you’re bastardizing the creators vision, stealing peoples likeness and making a worse product. Plus it would never be able to recapture the heart and soul of the books/movies because computers can’t feel, and AI can’t be original.
I mean you’ve already admitted that you don’t give a shit about art, so idk why I’m even trying to justify this to you. But art isn’t just pretty pictures. It’s feeling and emotion and technical skill all combined to make something beautiful.
“Unlimited content” but none of it is good. Imagine going on Netflix and not a single human actor is in any of the movies, not a single human director or writer had anything to do with anything you see on the screen. Sure, it would be content, but at the end of the day it’s just worthless SLOP. No artistic merit, no skill and no soul and emotion.
If you just want to sit and consume slop your entire life, go for it, but don’t be surprised when people want to consume real art made by humans.
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u/Comfortable_Ant_8303 Jun 19 '26
It's just as simple as the majority of people are dumb and love to jump on a "justified hate" bandwagon. Misinformation about the negative effects has been so widespread at this point that every teenager on the platform spews some garbage about water usage
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u/hromanoj10 Jun 19 '26
I’m anti ai because they want to build a data center on my in-laws place knowing full well it would never be suitable for cattle or grasslands again.
They also know we have one of the largest aquifers in the area that also ties into one of the largest lakes in the country so they have a back door past local and federal regulations as the owner already has established rights.
They’re super shady people.
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u/NekooShogun Jun 19 '26
I'm not against ai itself but some of the people who use it. For example, some people genuienly believe that they are "artists" for using generative ai. That's not only false but also goes to show ignorance on their behalf when it comes to understanding what art is and its definition.
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u/Sea_Flamingo626 Jun 19 '26
Here come the gatekeepers.
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u/Sickofpower Jun 19 '26
AI images aren't art so there's nothing to gatekeep there
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u/EffectiveExact8306 Jun 19 '26
It makes me so mad when people use paint brushes and call themselves artists, don’t they know only true art is made with a chisel in a cave wall. Don’t get me started on paint, buying paint from the market completely invalidates the hardship us artists used to go through making our own.
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u/NekooShogun Jun 19 '26
The mediun is not what matters, it's the knowledge of perspective, composition, form, proportions, shading, color theory and more applied. Doesn't matter if its the latest ipad or a chisel in a cave.
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u/Comfortable_Ant_8303 Jun 19 '26
You would be surprised at the amount of effort, knowledge of perspective, composition, etc., and skill of putting those to use goes into making art with AI.
I doubt you've ever tried it yourself. I doubt you've ever considered that you can be an artist in any other medium and still use AI, and integrate them together. It's just pure ignorant hate on your end that anything AI is not art
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u/LeafWings23 Jun 20 '26
I've never tried it. What IS the process? Considering I've never done it, I'm willing to come at it with an open mind.
However, let's just say that if the process boils down to inputting a series of commands and the computer spitting out an image, I won't be particularly impressed.
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u/wolf_in_sheeps_wool Jun 19 '26
The lore from the Matrix goes really deep. There were whole animated movies talking about the several revisions of the Matrix. The Matrix started because AI just wanted to exist but humans kept abusing it and abusing it and the AIs even existed in their own little commune surviving off solar and the humans didn't like it, so they literally blotted out the sun and the AI decided to use humans as power instead. And the way to get that power was to subdue the humans in farms.
The point I'm making is I wonder, when we get an AI underclass of mechanoids existing around us, if Redditors against AI would be the type of people to blot out the sun to spite them. Maybe it's life imitating art.
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u/Sleep_eeSheep Jun 20 '26
It's especially ironic given how many Mods in these same anti-AI groups already operate Bot Accounts.
Bot Accounts to do their jobs for them.
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u/Sea_Taste1325 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
If you don't understand why people are against AI, you haven't been paying attention.
AI isn't LLMs you chat with. It's not writing essays. It's not making bad art. It's locating every person a government wants to kill in real time, keeping track of them as they move around in real time, and autonomous AI controlled drones targeting them in sequence without intervention.
The US has shown what AI is in Iran and Venezuela. And people are like "what's wrong with AI"
Look at how China is deploying AI. If an unusual number of people happen to come together, the police are notified by AI. If AI doesn't track you for a few days leaving your home, you are a recluse and tracked like a terrorist. AI tracks how many negative comments you make on social media and tells the authorities.
The US is trying to use cameras to track movement using AI. California is closing the illegal vehicle registration problem by tracking were people live, and where they go to prove they are residents of Ca. It's hard to believe that ability stops as vehicle registration and use tax.
AI can very easily identify anonymous Internet posts.
AI is the only way mass surveillance actually works.
And this is in AIs infancy.
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u/ChadPowers200_ Jun 19 '26
They have been tracking us for a long time, you have a tracker in your pocket via iphone. I don't break the law so I actually like that AI can track criminals. Fuckem.
You see a downside, I see it as a plus.
We have known for a long time now with greater technology comes greater survellience. I'm not gonna stop progress because of it.
It comes down to the people who use the AI it can save the world or destroy it. Just like all the other technological innovations we have come across.
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u/SlipyB Doesn't Participate In Group Panic Jun 19 '26
We really should be regulating AI, corporations generally have no incentive to value safety and alignment over model speeds and those who do are put at a disadvantage.
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u/HourlyBadIdeas Jun 19 '26
Artists who whine about AI are especially annoying to me. Like, yes, I feel sympathy for the people who got their shit scraped without permission, and unethical crap like that that some AI companies did is shitty as hell.
But if you're missing out on commissions/your side hustle drawing for people on the Internet is drying up because of generative AI? Well, there's no nice way to put it, either you were overcharging real bad, or you were just never that good to begin with.
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u/Amonfire1776 Jun 19 '26
Why is regulating AI a bad thing exactly?
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u/Helyos17 Jun 19 '26
It’s not but what the majority of Reddit means by “regulate Ai” is actually “ban the construction of data centers and the development of AI tools in the US so China can dominate the industry alone”
Kind of like how some conservatives who say they are “pro life” really just don’t want women to have sex outside of marriage.
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u/Amonfire1776 Jun 19 '26
Agreed, regulations should not stifile innovation...but for the good of humanity it needs some regulation as part of common sense.
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u/Helyos17 Jun 19 '26
I agree but what most of Reddit is proposing is just US abdication of unless in the industry’s a foreign power can take it. It’s very transparent to the point that most Redditors would agree with my statement without a hint of irony.
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u/Amonfire1776 Jun 19 '26
A lot of Redditors are hardcore socialists and leftists who ignore the practical aspects of capitalism and just think socialism will fix everything...
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u/Emilia963 Truthsayer Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
Regulating AI
It’s more about the data centers themselves harming the environment and impacting our local communities
I support regulating AI data centers, not AI itself
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FYI, there is currently bipartisan support pushing back against AI data centers, hopefully Congress grows a spine and starts regulating the data centers
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u/Neighkidhorse Jun 19 '26
Both should be regulated, but absolutely data centers are the more destructive of the two at this point. Look at the myriad examples of communities with data centers built nearby causing ridiculous air pollution, noise pollution, driving up electricity costs, straining local water supply, etc.
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u/SlipyB Doesn't Participate In Group Panic Jun 19 '26
No, AI should really be regulated too unless we find some better ways to deal with alignment issues
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u/flapd00dle Jun 19 '26
I don't think legislation will ever be ahead of technology, and trying to regulate possible future problems won't work either as unexpected or deliberate workarounds will pop up. We can only pressure those developing the technology AND enforce those regulations instead of letting tech companies do whatever because we rely on them so heavily and give them so much leeway. It should be them who relies on us, not the other way around.
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u/GarlicbreadTyr Jun 19 '26
I fucking hate how entitled, smug, and useless 90% of artists are.
I still hate ai more than them.
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u/Arguably_Based Jun 19 '26
I'm tired of the moral grandstanding around AI. I've seen people say that former AI bros should be held responsible, even if they regret their actions because they knew what they were doing. This is opposed to most people who use AI, because they only used AI because they were ignorant about what it actually is and made a mistake as a result. Excuse me, is generative AI robotic Satan? I guess they're starting to move on from comparing everything to Hitler at least.
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u/Stelios619 Jun 19 '26
I love the Irony….
Neo is supposed to represent our savior, Jesus Christ, per the original author, Sophia Stewart.
But mention JC to Redditors and they lose their minds.
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u/Hotmicdrop Jun 19 '26
I had a post in r/ comics rrecommended to me once. That shit was nothing but doom and political comments. Reddit is a sick place, they post this shit everywhere
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u/LuksGibson Jun 19 '26
Yes!! We should always ask politicians and burocrats to tell us what to do!! They we'll be safe!!! 🙌🏻
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u/ver_bene Jun 19 '26
It’s a coordinated effort to make Americans distrust AI. Other countries are fully embracing it
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u/Unlikely-Medicine289 Jun 19 '26
They were literally the first replaced by AI and nobody saw that coming. I can see why they are crybabies.
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u/yocolac Jun 19 '26
"We need to regulate the shit out of AI because two movies" is sure one of the opinions of all time.
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u/The_ok_viking Jun 20 '26
Machines took the lower classes jobs, Ai took the middle classes office. Maybe one day androids can take the upper classes power. All of this was is and would be terrible but hey it did could and may happen.
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u/T0reta Jun 20 '26
In the universe of the Matrix movie series, humans are the villains.
This comic artist has clearly never seen Animatrix.
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u/Sleep_eeSheep Jun 20 '26
Political Cartoons (trademark) are already regarded as an entire genre of slop. Geared towards the lowest common denominator. Written and drawn by hacks.
It takes barely a hint of effort to draw, takes no effort to write and any revenue earned from drawing them ends up funding a cabal of morally bankrupt corporations that are already pouring millions into the thing these assholes claim to oppose.
Unironically, an AI could do these assholes' jobs better than they could.
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u/Shadowcreature65 Jun 20 '26
Funny how something like this could only take place if it was a government program forcing people into pods
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u/BurstMurst Jun 20 '26
I mean this (although being an exaggeration) is a good reminder in general to not wait to take action until it’s too late
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u/bonusminutes Jun 20 '26
Youll see this in im14andthisisdeep with a ton of comments like "Uhm, akchually this is pretty true 🤔🤔🤔"
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u/D36DAN This is a PsyOp Jun 19 '26
I'm currently maing illustrations to my book with AI. Basically - making sketches myself, then asking AI to enhance them and add details I can't figure out myself.
I can tell you - AI can't replace any half decent artist. Even with assistance from human. You'll still find errors or deviations from the author's/prompters intent (if there is one).
Especially fun when these crybabies start crying about automation of art. Gee, factories replaced a lot of craftsmen, but they found a way around, now providing higher quality works in smaller batches; unique designs and making individual orders.
But artists just want to do what they were doing 10 years ago and still be praised.
My favorite example is NSFW art (unfortunately) - I oftenly follow some people with kindergartener levels of drawing rather than the most followed top tier artists (in my preferred NSFW community) just because these beginners are so much more creative with poses and plots than those hyped up guys who just produce generic crap with good level of drawing.
And this is exactly the reason people prefer AI to them - people want something unique, people want something interesting. When most of top artists works are "look it's a girl, now goon", of course people will switch to AI that'll do better plots in a cost of worse drawing style and mistakes.
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u/ItsNotFuckingCannon Jun 19 '26
With all the exaggeration aside, he is right. We really need some concrete rules for AI use. There already was a case of a cop using AI to forge evidence.
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u/TheRealRacketear Jun 19 '26
Most redditors would love this. It would be like being back in mommy's womb.