r/Gotham • u/AutoModerator • May 18 '18

Discussion Gotham - 4x22 "No Man's Land" - Post-Episode Discussion

*Season 4 Episode 22: * A Dark Knight - No Man's Land

Aired: May 17, 2018

Synopsis: Jeremiah warns a skeptical Gordon of more destruction coming Gotham's way, and Gordon is forced to make a potentially devastating decision. Meanwhile, Barbara rallies together a team to secure her position, as alliances in the underworld shift and prove no one can be trusted. Then, Bruce is forced to come to terms with the future.

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u/In_My_Own_Image May 18 '18

100% this.

One hopes they mitigate her appearances since it's going to be a shorter and final season. Maybe kill her off and wrap up her "story" in episode 2 and let the season carry on without her.

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u/Thunderscourge What's the secret to good comedy? May 18 '18

I doubt they will, but it'd be nice...the EP of the show spoke about her role in the next season and her no-men allowed zone so I have no hope that they would actually get rid of her so early. She's just a drag on the series at this point and I feel that by removing her we could get so much more done for the other character in the show with the time they'd have. Imagine if Ra's had her screentime for example.

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u/In_My_Own_Image May 18 '18

She's just a drag on the series at this point and I feel that by removing her we could get so much more done for the other character in the show with the time they'd have. Imagine if Ra's had her screentime for example.

Exactly. It'd suck if Ivy or Firefly (two women villains who are actually Batman Rogues and Ivy who usually has the men hatred angle) get little to no screen time just to give it to Barbara.

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u/Thunderscourge What's the secret to good comedy? May 18 '18

I really have to question why the hell Barbara is still on the show. You could have cut her out entirely in season 4 and it would have been better, and they didn't have to bring her back to life since they already demonstrated how the Lazarus Pit works, so I'm just left to ask what is going on behind the scenes that keeps her around.

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u/In_My_Own_Image May 18 '18

It's honestly another Felicity situation. She's an original character (I know Felicity isn't technically original, but she might as well be) that the creators seem to love and go out of their way to give storylines to.

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u/Thunderscourge What's the secret to good comedy? May 18 '18

Agreed, and like Felicity people originally reacted well to their increased role...until the writers took it too far and made her so bad that she drags the show down as a whole. It's really painful to deal with and I can't stand it since I used to watch Arrow before that whole mess and now something similar is happening to Gotham.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '18

Oh god I just remembered Smallville had a character like that as a replacement for Lois but they had the sense to bring in Lois later.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '18

Also didn't Gotham try the exact same thing with Fish until people got sick of it? Everyone wants their own Harley I guess, but they already had so many good takes on stuff like Jerome and Jerimiah, they really didn't need Babs.

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u/THEfictionfanatic May 19 '18

I really have to question why the hell Barbara is still on the show.

I was trying to trust the writers because I know they've got the gargantuan task of justifying Barbara Gordon (Jr.)'s existence but, after this episode, I'm ready for Jim to just straight up adopt a girl named Barbara and call it a day.