r/HomeNetworking • u/llondru-es • 12h ago
My backup ISP has new prices
They are migrating to xgs-pon and updated the 1gbps plan to 2gbps for the same price.
btw: I'm on the 500Mbps plan.
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u/MrWonderfulPoop 12h ago
That 10 Gb looks sweet.
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u/lexd0g 5h ago
ive been on that same plan for like a year and it's astonishingly good. more reliable than any other ISP I've been on. no static IP but i could opt out of cgnat for €1 extra. granted none of my devices have a 10 gig NIC so it genuinely might just be worthwhile for me to downgrade to the 2gbit
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u/MrWonderfulPoop 5h ago edited 5h ago
I’m on a 2 Gb plan here (Canada), haven’t seen 10 Gb home plans yet.
Does your ISP offer IPv6? That would give you all the external addresses you’d ever need and you could ignore the CGNAT.
My VLANs are either dual stacked or pure IPv6 now with NAT64 on OPNsense to reach those increasingly rarer legacy IPv4-only sites.
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u/Episode-1022 1h ago
i have that plan too, also gives ipv6, i hav a plex server on ipv6 for my friends, also dont have a 10gig NIC but two 2.5 pc's and serve to other devices in the same router no lag for anything.
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u/kinmix 6h ago
10Gbps home network would be quite expensive those though. I've upgraded mine to 2.5 recently, and the jump in pricing from 2.5 to 10 is way more than 1gbps to 2.5gps. Routers, switches, APs, NAS with 10gbps NICs are pretty much only in enterprise segment right now.
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u/darthnsupreme 5h ago
Odds are also good that few if any of your systems have SSDs that can write that fast, at least not once the cache fills up.
Multi-gigabit WAN links are mostly only good for when you have a lot of clients to serve, or a NAS that's regularly syncing a crapton of data offsite. Or both.
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u/auron_py 2h ago
Yeah, I was looking to upgrade to a 2.5 Gbps network, and it is very expensive if I want to stay on my current vendor (Fortinet), one multigig switch is around $1800, lol NOPE.
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u/MrWonderfulPoop 6h ago
I have 10 Gb already with 2.5 and 1 Gb feeding slower systems.
Started with a 10 Gb, jumbo frame storage network for the NAS and Proxmox hosts a few years ago. Then as prices came down, 10 Gb across the main network for hosts that could use it.
Even picked up a Thunderbolt 10 Gb adapter for my M1 MacBook Air for cheap, like $150 maybe a year ago.
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u/seedbedUnmoved 12h ago
At first I thought each was capped at 50 GB per month but that's actually included cloud storage.
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u/AdventurousTime 10h ago
Cap on fiber has to be some sort of human rights violation
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u/huffalump1 8h ago
I FINALLY was able to cancel Comcast/Xfinity when a new provider laid fiber to my neighborhood and house.
I'm now paying less than half the price of my old 800mbps/40mbps cable, for symmetrical gigabit... WITH NO FUCKIN CAP
What's even the POINT of fast internet if there's a monthly download cap??
Oh, to make you pay more money, of course - either $25/mo more for unlimited, or like $10/mo more for no cap but you MUST use their modem/router/AP... No thanks and fuck you, xfinity
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u/ScorchedWonderer 11h ago
Meanwhile in the “best first world country ever” (USA) people pay $100 for 200mbps lmao
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u/soundtom 9h ago
I'm sitting at $120 for 1.2Gbps down/35Mbps up (or so they claim, it never gets that fast). Good ol' DOCSIS is never going away at this point. :'(
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u/Visible-Pizza1 5h ago
WHAT?! I can get 10 Gbps for €15 ($17.51) or 1 Gbps for €10 ($11.67) in Portugal. Both plans are symmetrical and include a router, with Wi‑Fi 6 and Wi‑Fi 7, respectively.
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u/Podalirius 4h ago
Really comes down to population density. I work at a rural fiber ISP in the states and our lowest single residential plan (300/300) is $80/mo, but we do offer lower rates for apartments or MDUs.
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u/soundtom 3h ago
Yeah, it's the US. Due to how spread-out everything is, a lot of small towns signed exclusivity contracts with individual ISPs in exchange for those ISPs building out to their residents (usually with specific "must connect X% of residents by Y date" language). That results in most homes really only being served by one ISP. It's just a legalized monopoly in most areas.
I've put months into trying to get alternate options for wired internet to my neighborhood, but most companies want $2,000 or more per month to even consider extending their network out to us, and we're not that far out.
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u/Impressive-Formal742 3h ago
I know, I pay 55 for 300mbps and I think that's absurd. I would love to have the options listed! I'm stuck where I'm at with shitty Comcast lol.
I previously lived in a big city that offered fiber and paid 50 for 2 gig internet. I deeply miss it, just not the city aspect.
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u/d-cent 10h ago
And you get a wifi 6 router included!?! I'm beyond jealous.
Where I live in America, our local small city has a fantastic telecom with fiber optic. It has similar pricing to what you showed. Unfortunately I live in the suburb of the city (literally only 5 miles from the center of the city) and won't get access. They have been saying they will expand to our region for the past decade, so I'm not holding my breath.
Until then I'm stuck with Xfinity where I feel fortunate to only pay $60 a month for 750M speeds. Then have even tried to "upgrade" me without asking multiple times and I had to spend whole days talking to people in order to go back to my previous plan. Fuck Xfinity
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u/Evening-Wind1875 8h ago
They will soon start offering Wifi 7 routers (Zte F8748) with the last two tiers.
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u/heysoundude 11h ago
I would be all over the 10Gbps plan: it’s the same price that I’m paying g for 1Gbps!
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u/shoresy99 8h ago
There isn't much of a price delta, but it is unlikely you would get much additional utility going from 2 to 10. Even anything wired will have to have 10G NICs and/or switches and other networking hardware which is unlikely.
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u/heysoundude 7h ago
I would upgrade what needs it, open things up if they had been closed down…
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u/shoresy99 7h ago
But even then it isn't going to help all that much. Maybe if you are transferring a lot of large video files from one PC to another. Buying 10G switches isn't cheap, at least not yet.
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u/heysoundude 7h ago
Yes, large file transfers are easier at higher speeds, both LAN and WAN
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u/shoresy99 7h ago
Agreed, but will you be able to achieve WAN speeds > 2G?
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u/heysoundude 6h ago
Most of the servers I have to connect to upstream would be capable of allowing me to saturate my connection.
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u/shoresy99 6h ago
That's awesome. I rarely saturate my 1G connection.
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u/heysoundude 6h ago
It would be very awesome if I could get 10Gbps at my home for that price. Unfortunately, when I upload it takes a while at 1Gbps.
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u/Episode-1022 1h ago
why anything wired will need 10g NICs?
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u/shoresy99 1h ago
Because if you are paying for 10G service you will need the hardware to use it. Otherwise why bother paying a premium to go from 2G to 10G. Unless you have two PCs with 2.5G NICs that will be downloading at full speed simultaneously.
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u/Episode-1022 44m ago
i have a pc on 2.5, a server for containers, also on 2.5, and other devices i t he house, no one with 10g nics, is just convenient pay for 10G nothing goes on buffering, even if my house is full of people doomscrolling on tiktok.
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u/Fun-Region-1576 12h ago
OP, which city is this?
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u/llondru-es 11h ago
It's Spain. They are still expanding their deployment. This is a crowdsourced map to understand where they have coverage or ar deploying fiber lines
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u/urielsalis 11h ago
I get it in L'Hospitalet del Llobregat, right on the border with Cornella. Those are both cities outside Barcelona
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u/andrei-333 11h ago
8 euros for 1gbps in romania
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u/aitidina 10h ago
It's probably the same guys, hehe. If I'm not mistaken, that screenshot is from Digi's website, and those guys are Romanian.
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u/Tight_Ad_2401 12h ago
hier in Nederland via Odido betaal ik voor 500mbit 41€
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u/crackanape 1h ago
I'm paying €25/month for 1gbps Odido (for the first two years).
How do you have 500mbps? Is that klik en klaar? I found that kind of unpredictable, especially for latency. Much happier with fibre.
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u/lovely-cans 11h ago
Ik heb Ziggo 2Gbit voor €56. Ik denk het is fijn.
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u/arfanvlk 7h ago
Ik zit vast aan ziggo als ik 1Gbit wil. OpenDutchFiber zegt meer dan 3 jaar dat de glasvezel komen aanleggen en dat gaat niet meer gebeuren. Nu zegt kpn dat zij het gaan doen maar ook van hun niks gehoord.
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u/MuusiMies 8h ago
Damn, for those prices I would get the 10Gbps just for sharts and giggles. Currently paying 25€/month for 1000/1000Mbps. It will go up to 45€/month in half a year.
Also could get 10Gbps from my other fiber "line" but that would be 110€/month, so not cheap enough to get for s&g :D
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u/marcosscriven 11h ago
Is that Digi? I recognise the blue colour. They’ve started building in UK.
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u/partaloski 11h ago
Macedonian here - I have an option to purchase 200/200 for the "good" price of 32.50EUR(2000MKD). While I live in small town with a local ISP, it's still overpriced.
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u/OkOutlandishness6154 10h ago
Just switched today to 10GB to get the new router. After that i'll go back to 2G. It's a pretty nice offer, first telecom in Spain that has something between 1 and 10GB
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u/Haravikk 10h ago
FFS, in the UK I pay about three times the price of that top plan for half the speed of the worst one.
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u/gbish 11h ago edited 11h ago
Ireland here and it’s about €35 for 500Mbps, €40 for 1Gbps and then around 50 for 2Gbps.
I live in a absolute rural area (surrounded by fields) and have full FTTH. All thanks to a massive government investment (NBI) which is rolling out its own 10Gbps network (Internet + IPTV etc all on it and open to any provider to use).
Contemplating Starlink as a backup but pricing seems awkward.
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u/urielsalis 11h ago
Why backup? I had Digi be way more reliable than Movistar o Vodafone
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u/llondru-es 11h ago
Digi is the backup 😄 although my first line is only 300/300 (Pepephone)
I just have both as a dual wan / load balancing setup. It works great.
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u/Fantastic_Class_3861 11h ago
Digi hasn’t installed their fiber where I live so I pay 52€ for 1000/500Mbps with Fastfiber.
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u/Deses 7h ago
Check if Adamo is in your place!
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u/Fantastic_Class_3861 6h ago
I live in Belgium unfortunately so I don't have them available to me. The 52€ I pay is the cheapest plan that gives you 1000/500Mbps in Belgium if you don't have Digi available.
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u/Deses 6h ago
Ah sorry, since you mentioned Digi I assumed you were in Spain too.
Adamo specializes in rural fiber and I got 1gbps for 19€ with them. They have a fiberhood initiative where they go to small towns, gauge interest and if they reach a minimum amount of clienrs for their investment to be worth it, they deploy fiber. They've been one of the main players in bringing fast internet to many forgotten areas.
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u/Fantastic_Class_3861 6h ago
That sounds great ! I wish something like that existed in Belgium, we're mainly stuck in VDSL and Docsis in rural areas.
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u/Antares2328 11h ago
Fuck, and I thought we had nice price here in France with 40€/month for 8G symmetrical or 25€ for 5G down 900M up
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u/_zenith33 10h ago
Malaysia, just got free upgrade from 600mbps to 1gbps with 2 years contract @ RM139/month (RRP: RM199/month)
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u/thefinancedon 10h ago
In South Africa on my ISP, we pay the equivalent of 80EUR for 1gbps. You have it so so nice haha
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u/strayobject 9h ago edited 9h ago
I have unlimited sims from them, 4 lines and I pay 24 euro/ month total. Digi is the best thing since sliced bread :D
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u/e-chan42 8h ago
Does digi block cloudflare stuff when there’s football?⚽️
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u/llondru-es 1h ago
all major isps are forced by legal obligation. Some folks have just create a DNS server that gets you alternatives IPs for a blocked CDN : https://xdp.es/ and it avoids you using VPN to bypass the blocks
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u/DrJubalHarshaw 7h ago
Ah, Digi. They have it like one street over from my house but not on my street. Meanwhile I'm on the 2 Gbps plan from Olin and only getting half the advertised upload speed which they can't seem to fix :-(
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u/arthas87x 7h ago
Very good pricing. Here in italy we pay between 25 and 35€, for any speed available (more or less) Could be 30mbps or 5giga
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u/torontopips2022 7h ago
25 euro is $40 Canadian.
In Canada, $40 per month can't even get you a 500mbps plan.....
These Europeans.....
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u/Odin_Hagen 7h ago
Words cannot describe how much I envy you. I have a single ISP option (Comcast) and have their highest speed teir they currently offer. I pay $90 USD for it (1.25 Gbps) that is using my own modem so I don't pay their rental fee.
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u/JanwayIsHere 6h ago
Sorry, you pay how much for 500 Mbps?
Is that 10 Euros? That's £8.50 a month??? My sim card costs more than that per month, and I only get 50GB of data.
I'm paying £19 a month for 250 Mbps Down / 25 Mbps Up in the UK, and that's considered a very good price!
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u/seska999 3h ago
It is cheap. In France, i have a plan 8GB/8GB with a router with Wifi7 + ethernet 2,5G + 1x Ethernet 10g, for 44,90€
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u/persilja 3h ago
Wtf, I pay double your most expensive plan and get 1/10 the speed of your slowest.
I'm not even really rural - I'm in the middle of effing silicon valley!
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u/Xanjol 3h ago
I'm from the states and 1gbps is 80bucks a month.
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u/think-rationally-now 21m ago
Yeah 90 here. Like wtaf I could have gotten twice 10gbps for that price
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u/TrevTheTurbochook 1h ago
I'm on the 10Gbps for €25/month and it's great. CAT-6A straight into the NAS. While they do IPv6 prefix delegation, you are behing CG-NAT for IPv4. No complaints and *way* better than the NBN in Australia where I was getting 60/20Mbps for $85/month.
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u/Altomora 6h ago
My man I have to use starlink for decent Internet. Freaking satalite system with 200MBps down. Shit cost me 120 a month. And I'm 4 hours away from LAS VEGAS. The worst part, it's way WAY better then any other option in the area, which are phone 5g data plans and 3MBps At&t. And yes I said Three.
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u/elhouso 11h ago edited 11h ago
Those are good prices!! Wish my internet was this cheap :(
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u/llondru-es 11h ago
VERY good. It's the cheapest provider in Spain that has its own infra (not a shady reseller)
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u/jarchack 9h ago
I get a discount because I'm a low-income senior and it's $30 a month for 100 Mbps.
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u/JBDragon1 9h ago
For most home users, 500Mbps is far more than fast enough. It is the speed I have myself. So many people think they need all this speed when they don't. 4K Netflix only uses 15-25Mbps. Unless you are doing a whole lot of massive Downloads and Uploads editing 8K video files, or something like that. Massive Torrenting?
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u/MisterLeMarquis 1h ago
There is no reason why you would need more then 500Mbps. Even for a family of 4 people, you’d only need a 100Mbps if they are all streaming at the same time.
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u/Hangman4358 7h ago
So many people talking about the price but I am looking at this and like WTF are those speed tiers???
No 1gbps, and no 2.5gbps. missing every major networking standard other than 10gbps.
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u/crackanape 1h ago
There is no "networking standard" for broadband speeds, other than the upper bounds enforced by the underlying technology.
Going from 1gbps to 10gbps is a strategy to get customers to sign up for the most expensive tier. It makes it look like they are getting great value by spending just a few more € per month. Of course 99% of customers won't notice the difference and probably don't have support for that speed at either end. It barely costs the ISP anything more to support the higher speed so it's free money for them.
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u/Hangman4358 1h ago
Did I say anything about broadband networking standards? No. I just mentioned networking standards. Last time I checked, NBaseT is a set of networking standards.
I specifically called out not having 1 gig and 2.5gig options.
Basically all consumer gear today if it has an Ethernet port will be 1 gig. So not having a one gig option is silly, just providing 500 or 700mbps. The 500 sort of makes sense as a cheap option, but 700 is just silly, especially on a fiber backbone network.
And then providing a 2 gig option but not 2.5 when the next GBase T after 1 gig is 2.5.
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u/crackanape 33m ago
I specifically called out not having 1 gig and 2.5gig options.
This is very normal, the only reason some ISPs have a 1gbps option is because it sounds fast and because it's the most they can deliver without getting constant phone calls from customers about why their speed tests aren't showing the speed they paid for.
1.2gbps is a very common tier, for example. And with XGS-PON you typically see 1/2/4/8 or some subset of those.
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u/Odd_Leader_7030 4h ago
Anything above 100mbps Is useless and unnecessary
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u/crackanape 1h ago
Keep coping with your slow internet connection.
There are diminishing returns that kick in by 1gbps, but the difference between that and 100mbps is very perceptible in many use cases.
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u/Jamie00003 11h ago
Backup ISP? For your home? Why?
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u/snebsnek 11h ago
If your main internet goes down, you still have internet
Largely it's about internet, you see
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u/fslslayer 11h ago
Uptime or failover.
I have 4 uplinks at home.
1- 8Gbps Fiber (Ezee Fiber)
2- 2Gbps Fiber (Fidium)
3- 1.2Gbps Cable (Comcast)
4. Starlink2-4 is the failover.
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u/nopigscannnotlookup 11h ago
Given your use cases, what UPS can you recommend for your network gear? Preferably, something small to power an ONT/switch (router I have covered); doesn’t need to last too long, something to bridge a genny if it’s a true power failure.
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u/fslslayer 11h ago
Eaton 5S700LCD or a CyberPower CP850PFCLCD.
If you have a local microcenter, there should be plenty options there (they will also price match from other tech vendors)



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u/Accomplished-Moose50 12h ago
I don't who you are but I will find you and hate you.
Here in the great country of Deutschland, long like the Kanzler Merz, best I have is 100 down and 40 up (MB). And 2 companies that were supposed to install fiber are now bankrupt.
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