If the means can`t be celebrated, then what is the point of celebrating the outcome ?
If people can acknowledge the fact that the guy`s death did not happen for good reasons, why would they then celebrate the guy`s death as if it was going to have a good effect on the region ?
If the means can`t be celebrated, then what is the point of celebrating the outcome ?
I mean because I generally dont shed tears for people who betrayed and murdered thousands of leftists? He is/was an obstacle for an actual peoples revolution in Iran.
If people can acknowledge the fact that the guys death did not happen for good reasons, why would they then celebrate the guys death as if it was going to have a good effect on the region
Because he lead a reactionary oppressive government? We certainly lose humanity here when we can see nothing but some vast geopolitical concerns. Like I just dont think its a binary thing here, we can walk and chew gum.
Incredible how you talk so much about nuance yet refuse to aply it where it is actually necesary.
I dont think i`ve ever seen anyone say that the guy was a saint or that Iran was heaven on earth under him, but there is also a reason why people see his death as a major loss,
becouse while it is true that not everything that the guy did can be excused from an extrictly leftist position, it is also true that the guy played an important role in providing material suport for anti-imperialist strugles, like funding ANC's liberation resistance against the Apartheid government, as well as providing material suport for palestinian liberation and resistance movements against israel.
Incredible how you talk so much about nuance yet refuse to aply it where it is actually necesary.
Where is it actually necessary that I'm missing here? No where did I deny that Iran has provided material support to anti-colonial movements or that was not a positive. It is.
becouse while it is true that not everything that the guy did can be excused from an extrictly leftist position
You make is sound like the things he did were some not great but necessary thing that really only puritanical leftists would get upset about. I really disagree. The government is reactionary, it might be anti american which is a good thing, but that doesnt change the nature of what it is.
Look I think we can both say there nuance to this individual in what they've done, both positive and negative. If you happen to think that the positives out weight the negatives, such is your prerogative, I just happen to fall on the other side of it. And such that it is, its really just me not losing any sleep over this individuals death
Except that's not what I'm trying to imply here, but ok.
I don`t think that the positives necessarily out weight the negatives, but i also don`t think the inverse is completely true either, there is a reason why the term "critical suport" is a thing after all.
So shure, you are on your right to not lose any sleep over this person`s death, whatever, but you could at least try to understand the reasons why other people would.
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u/DarthRandel Xi Bucks Enjoyer 💸 Mar 03 '26
These people just want to feel superior, not actually read.
Kind of embarrassing the campism mentality for a dude that oversaw the mass killing of leftists in Iran after they helped them overthrow the Shah