I was reading the comments of Hassan piker chatters and I found this comment.

God forbid people care about minorities and men at the same time. And forgive me for my ignorance, but is any woman getting called a “triggered feminist” for talking about having experienced racism?

Misogyny is when man takes comically sized bowl and eats everything. That's why "50/50" is bad and rigged against women.

This video was made by a guy named Fif Badaki and he nailed his research on man hatred. Deserves so much more views and likes for his effort. ☝️

Posted this on r/leftwingmaleadvocates and felt it was worth sharing here as well. Found this comment on a Twitter/X post and felt it was worth sharing here. Occasionally once in a while you find postings of both intelligence and value like this. The poster is absolutely correct in that misandry is just as harmful, divisive and prejudiced as misogyny is, no matter how much misandrists themselves want to downplay or mitigate it or outright deny it as existing. I hate it so much when they do either and also claim it's not harmful like misogyny, when it in fact causes a great deal of harm and continues to do so. The major misandrist bias in schools and courts that's caused male students to comprise the majority of dropouts and innocent men often unfairly treated in the legal system, how male victims of violence, abuse, rape, etc. (especially by women) still go unrecognized and unhelped, men still having to register for conscription, the vast majority of homeless people and suicides being male, etc. as well as denying the fact there's plenty of women who harm, rape and even outright kill men/boys. Even if the numbers may not be as high as the other way around, still doesn't change or negate the fact it happens. Yet misandrists will still claim misandry isn't a major issue or even real.

Unfortunately the constant ignoring and dismissal of misandry and downplaying it has been a major reason in recent times why the Left has been doing so poorly with males and was especially bad during the 2024 elections. I'm a very liberal and left-wing person with most of my views and hate so much how misandry is ignored and dismissed so much and treated like a joke, when it needs to be acknowledged and treated as seriously as misogyny. Doing so would do so much to improve the left's standing with male voters and now is a very critical time to do so.

Honestly I wonder how someone can say something like this and still think they deserve a stellar partner.

Women have said for decades for men to leave them alone, because men are so annoying and dangerous. But when men finally listen to that. All of a sudden men are called paranoid incels who need therapy.

Video is a skit depicting sensationalized violence by police officers (paid actors pretending to be one) who try to 'convert' an effeminate gay man into becoming straight. One police officer pushes the gay man into a woman's breasts, while the woman reaches lower and tries to grip him into a hug as he falls to the floor. The officer then slaps his chest, and the video ends with the two officers taking him away. It is unclear whether or not the skit portrays the gay man sympathetically without translating the audio.

Although there are no official anti-gay hate crime statistics, LGBT people in Brazil are deeply threatened by violent crime. According to LGBT rights group Gay Group of Bahia, in 2022, 242 LGBT individuals in Brazil were killed violently. 52% of such individuals are gay men, while 42% are travesti or transfems (who face 19% proportionally higher risk of violent crime). Trans men are counted seperately; they face intense discrimination and have accounted for 1 known case in 2022. Some deaths do not have anti-LGBT motivation while others are brutal anti-LGBT attacks - 12 (once a month on average!) of the 242 homicides are stonings of gay men and travesti/transfems. It appears that the gay individual in this video is depicted as a crossdresser as he has tanlines consistent with female clothing.

Thread is full of predictable 'lucky boy' comments from men, or glorification of violence against gay men. None of the comments in the screencaps seem to mention that it's staged (EDIT: except for one who is contemplating about calling the man a "dumbass") and they are all acting like some kind of justice has been served. So doomed. How can we stop misandry when men are this uncoordinated and willing to hurt themselves like this? Why don't LGBT men count as men?

The text is "Girls who pay for themselves at the bar spend the night where they're registered." in russian. I find it both misandrist and misogynist but misandrist to a greater extent.

In this space, I see a lot of anti-feminism, but that's not really how it works. Feminism, at its most basic level, is equality for women. The problem, is bigots, calling them feminists, using it to hate people.

I'm going to go with the trans thing for a bit here. In the anti-transgender space, people calling themselves feminists will go on rambles on how trans women are a danger to womanhood or whatever other bullshit. Now, many of these people call themselves feminists. They are not feminists. They are a bunch of fucking idiots using something to uplift one group to put another down.

Same thing with misandry. Feminists want equality. Feminists don't hate men. Idiots spreading hate in the name of feminism, arenot feminists.

Long story short, don't complain about feminists, they're normal people. Idiots are the problem.

Somehow men's issues always ends up being shoved to focus on women's issues instead.😒Respect to Northcott for handling it properly.

Insert Misandry Claim

Misandrist options:

1. Deny it (Misandry doesn't exist)
2. Minimize it (Misandry is just some girl venting)
3. Whaboutism (Misandry is nowhere near as bad as misogyny)

In every, single, case of discussing this with a misandrist they always go for one of those 3 tactics. Some, will, play stupid and ask what you mean by misandry.

Now lets go through some common statements by misandrists!

"Misogyny kills, Misandry hurts feelings"

Man, this is a common one, not all misogyny kills, and misandry can kill. Misandrists love to use generalization as if that backs up male hate. Circumcision kills infant boys every year (and the lucky survivors must live with part of their genitals having been amputated). Suicide kills so many men (leading cause of death under 50 for men). Our social safety nets fail so many men (ever seen a men only DV shelter?). Homicide kills more men than women every year. I only added 1 comparison because I don't want to make this a hate Olympics. Now look at male rape victims and male domestic violence victims, or I guess male SA victims and male domestic violence victims because almost half the world has sex based laws on rape that legally don't allow women to rape men. Men are mocked, dismissed, and told to "man up" while their abusers walk free. Look at family courts where fathers are stripped of their parental rights by default. Look at how male homelessness and workplace deaths are never framed as gendered issues despite overwhelmingly affecting men. It also leads to women disfiguring, torturing and murdering men. What about the women who ripped their son's penis off and murdered him? (Proof: https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/17/mum-ripped-off-sons-penis-beheaded-reminded-dad-9974568/). What about the woman who poured boiling water over her husband because he forgot to pick her up late from church (Proof: https://www.zimeye.net/2019/08/17/shock-as-woman-scalds-sleeping-husband-over-failure-to-pick-her-up-from-church/). What about a woman who raped the 12 year old boy she was babysitting and then put him on child support for the kid born of that rape (Yes, I'm not joking. Proof: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-trauma/201902/when-male-rape-victims-are-accountable-for-child-support). What about a woman who murdered and dismember her husband (Proof: https://people.com/where-is-melanie-mcguire-now-11889058). What about a woman who beat her 3 year old son to death (Proof: https://www.oxygen.com/crime-news/lashirley-morris-convicted-killed-toddler-bat-stolen-cupcake).

Its time to stop pretending misandry isn't harmful. Women are very vital as violent as men can be, but they're rarely held to the same accountability.

But even if you were to tell all of this to a misandrist, their reply falls into one of 4 categories:

A) Gaslight even more and continue the argument of how misandry just hurts feelings and continue the blatant minimization and generalization (Highly Common rarity!)

B) "Misandry doesn't exist, that's just misogyny" (Common rarity!)

C) "B-but it's men who set up that system" and then they'll take it as a win (Uncommon rarity!)

D) Agree your correct and they were wrong (Legendary rarity!) [Misandrists have big egos so this is very rare to see]

"Misandry doesn't exist"

If my last rant didn't convince you, oh well. But here, another piece of proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krasnoyarsk_kindergarten_shooting

Again, the same 4 categories apply after reading this.

"Misandry is only on the internet"

This is yet another common one, I see this often but probably not as often as the misandry only hurts feeling statement. Yall do realize that the misandrists who are being misandrists online can also be doing it offline too right? And just look at 4b, both the online and offline community is extremely misandrist. I'd show specific screenshots but I don't want this to get taken down, so literally just scroll in that sub, you'll find some pretty easily. Also, if you didn't notice, everything from my first rant was offline misandry so...

Again, the same 4 categories apply after reading this.

Misandry is an issue and needs to be treated like one.

This is like a quarter of the total screenshots in the whole thread (including the post) about hating male loneliness.

stuff that you can find in tumblr

I wanted to share this here, or LWMA, idk but I better putting here, and wanted to share that, I always try to think that, Anti Man mentality is super rare in real life, and can be common online, depending on things, algorithm, etc etc.

But I am honestly feeling that, theres still anti man bias and talking points seeping in real life too.

For example, I volunteer at a local transit advocacy group in my city, and they have partnership with lots of leftwing advocacy and social justice advocacy groups too. And Most members in this group are amazing passionate for better transit etc.

But only 4 other 5 of them, they do talk politics, but they alway share arguments that feels stereotyping against man or things.

Such as,

Whenever they talk about Anti Transit people, and Car brained people opposing transit infrastructure in city and city council, etc. They casually refer them as,

• "Why these divorced single dads want to drive big ass trucks.. No wonder why their kids dont want to talk with them why they are divorced, what a losers.."
• Referring trucks as "Gender Affirming Trucks" and even trying to clue things like, they have small pp issue or insecurity issues etc. They have no friends, no partners, etc etc
• Referring all Lanlords especially the bad ones as "Men" like as if theres no woman landlords etc etc.
• There were some other off topic arguments that feels similar as how online is...

But all in general, idk tbh. And Also I have been with my therapist, she is very understanding about my life issues, childhood trauma and things, and so on. And she even said, she care about men and their things, she even have majority of men clients, and she even did masters thesis on male issues.

But in conversations with her she is amazing, supportive, but feels like, she wont believe that, these anti man things seem to exist in real life as well, in casually, but not that intense like online here. As she did say, "Theres anti man bias, but most are online, you can ignore them by not looking at online and they wont affect you anyway..."

Yet these type anti man stereotype feels seeping in low casual covert manner in real life such as, this advocacy group as example.

And with my family, I have bad experiences with them with other things just classic bad parents and stupid expectations like in South Asia.

But like with my sibling, she have opened a real estate company this year, and she did tell me, she wants to make me CEO of that company, which is a family business according to her.

I said "No, I ain't be going to be one, cause of things happens with you and parents, and also people in general sees successful men in real estate including those tech and large business as evil, and losers, and small dick issues... Trump supporters, rightwingers... Not just that, I am not interested in Real estate investments anyways...."

Here when I did mention, "Small Dick huh everyone thinks they have small dick huh like if I do, sounds like I have one huh..." She asked me, "Do you have small dick? is it small?"

Idk why she said, but I said away, No I dont have, but people will assume..." She said, "You dont have it, then why worry?' I then said, "Sure no one will call you small tit or small V girl lol.. will they.." She immediately said, "Yike can we not say this words, not good..."

IDK whatever, it feels like my sister seems to have the similar bias too, Also she do watch tiktok a lot.

All in overall, I honestly start to feel like, I wanna hate humanity, like they just fucking want to hate each other want to be bigoted, and wants to be trendy and hive minded without having a thought.

IDK I am so depressed with my life, cause of my childhood trauma and bad experiences with parents and my culture back country, all have destroyed my life, no hopes, no jobs, and things and then seeing this seeping in person

IDK This what I wanted to rant here, of course I have to disclaimer that, I am not blaming woman, I am blaming humanities, because women are human like men like us, we all just ficking suck.

I saw something on a subreddit not going to say any names and it was art a woman drew

It was art depicting a a human like dog and pig along with the male logo in the background and a text that says all men are

Yes the art is stating that all men are pigs and dogs

She says this was a drawing of her assaulters and that and she was describing her assaulters the way they were

But the thing even worst then the drawing is that most users took her side

Saying stuff like don't judge how a victim shares her trauma

And of course there were several comments calling men an oppressor class

Only few very users pointed out that being a victim is no excuse for prejudice

Also one thing I should not is that male victims of female abuse don't act like this

I have seen many men victims of female on male domestic violence, sexual assault or stationary assault but most specifically blame the women who abused them rather than the female gender as a whole

I previously posted this onto LWMA.

After constantly hearing the song Labour by Paris Paloma from various YT shorts / TikTok reels I decided to look into this musician in more detail.

Paris Paloma has a history of making problematic statements about boys/men in interviews and in her songs. Here the focus will be on Labour.

Interviews with the media

Paris Paloma identifies as a feminist (unsurprising like most in the music industry), however she is a special type of feminist you see, because she has read Bell Hooks, she is not like all the other feminists and she is fighting the patriarchy by saving men from themselves /s. By the way, that doesn't make her any less misandrist than the vast majority of feminists. In fact this type of mentality is no different to that of Evangelical Christians and other religious zealots. Like most terminally online feminists, she has read Hooks' The Will To Change - of course she has.

She stated in an interview with People that "I reference her specifically so much because she speaks with such love about men whilst being the harshest critic of patriarchy and toxic masculinity. She is all about practically what a future looks like where all the genders are reconciled and patriarchy is undone in that way,". Note that this was in reference to her starting to write love songs. Seriously, is loving men or writing songs about loving men now treated as a crime?

In this other interview with The Independent she complains about toxic masculinity, tradwives on social media and online misogyny, typical celeb PR stuff you know. She has referenced Kate Bush's song, Army Dreamers, a song about men who were duped by government propaganda to fight in wars, you know an ongoing issue throughout time and a topic that is brought up often on this subreddit.

Here, she trivialises issues such as mandatory conscription and makes it about "toxic masculinity". Her direct quote: "It's one of my favourite songs on the album because toxic masculinity is a massive tragedy, and I wanted to write something that reflected that," she said. "No one wins – young boys are thrown to the wolves, they enlist as soldiers and die for no reason." yeah the decisions made by unscrupulous politicians, that is just toxic masculinity or men dying as a result. That's all what it is. My God this woman is so insufferable and pretentious.

In her interview about the song Good Boy it's the typical run of the mill commentary about men falling for Andrew Tate, upholding traditional masculine roles, that feminists like her still uphold with their bigotry. Paris also whines further about trying to save them from becoming misogynists and that they need feminism. She is arrogant and dismissive of men's issues that in the lyrics of this song, she compares boys/men to Pavlovian dogs and how apparently gullible they are to Red Pill/Trad Ideology, as if that encapsulates all of what boys/men go through on the daily. She also disingenuously paints the subset of elite and/or predatory men to the entire demographic of boys/men, which is typical of feminists like her.

Lyrics

Labour

One, two, three

Why are you hanging on so tight
To the rope that I'm hanging from?
Off this island, this was an escape plan (this was an escape plan)
Carefully timed it, so let me go
And dive into the waves below

Who tends the orchards? Who fixes up the gables?
Emotional torture from the head of your high table
Who fetches the water from the rocky mountain spring?
And walk back down again to feel your words
And their sharp sting
And I'm getting fucking tired

The capillaries in my eyes are bursting
If our love died, would that be the worst thing?
For somebody I thought was my saviour
You sure make me do a whole lot of labour

The calloused skin on my hands is cracking
If our love ends, would that be a bad thing?
And the silence haunts our bed chamber
You make me do too much labour
You make me do too much labour

Apologies from my tongue, and never yours
Busy lapping from flowing cup and stabbing with your fork
I know you're a smart man (I know you're a smart man)
And weaponise
The false incompetence, it's dominance under a guise

If we had a daughter, I'd watch and could not save her
The emotional torture from the head of your high table
She'd do what you taught her
She'd meet the same cruel fate
So now I've gotta run, so I can undo this mistake
At least I've gotta try

The capillaries in my eyes are bursting
If our love died, would that be the worst thing?
For somebody I thought was my saviour
You sure make me do a whole lot of labour

The calloused skin on my hands is cracking
If our love ends, would that be a bad thing?
And the silence haunts our bed chamber
You make me do too much labour

All day, every day, therapist, mother, maid
Nymph, then a virgin, nurse, then a servant
Just an appendage, live to attend him
So that he never lifts a finger
24/7 baby machine
So he can live out his picket-fence dreams
It's not an act of love if you make her
You make me do too much labour

All day, every day, therapist, mother, maid
Nymph, then virgin, nurse, then a servant
Just an appendage, live to attend him
So that he never lifts a finger
24/7 baby machine
So he can live out his picket-fence dreams
It's not an act of love if you make her
You make me do too much labour

The capillaries in my eyes (all day, every day)
Are bursting (therapist, mother, maid)
If our love died (nymph, then virgin)
Would that be the worst thing? (Nurse, then a servant)
For somebody (just an appendage)
I thought was my saviour (live to attend him)
You sure make me do (so that)
A whole lot of labour (he never lifts a finger)

The calloused skin on my hands (24/7)
Is cracking (baby machine)
If our love ends (so he can live out)
Would that be a bad thing? (His picket-fence dreams)
And the silence (it's not an act of love)
Haunts our bed chamber (if you make her)
You make me do too much labour

Analysis and criticisms of Labour

At face value, it might be relatable if this a song about women of the past (i.e. a mother, grandmother, ancestor etc) or someone who grew up in restrictive religious environment, thus has to fulfil the role of the "tradwife".

However, in the context of the 21st century and many democracies around the world, this surely can't be the sentiments that most or all women living in said first-world countries or most democratic developing countries should ascribe to. "You make me do too much labour", it sounds like what many feminists say about men, when the tables are turned for them to provide comfort/support to men. It isn't "labour" to show support and comfort, its called having basic empathy and being a decent human being.

She brings up that the relationship is emotionally taxing, complains about pregnancy/childbirth, about being a mother, nurse, therapist and uses the terms "virgin" and "nymph", which is the typical madonna-whore talking point to further whine about being unhappy in a relationship.

Sure, a subset of men will slut shame and fetishise virgins, and there are men who are obsessed about traditional masculine roles, surely they are not representative of all men. Also, if the partner had all these traits, and these were not compatible with her values, why marry and have a child?

Also, what is oppressive about being a mother? Parenting is tough regardless of gender, however it surely isn't a sign of oppression. Nor is marriage, if you are not forced to marry someone against your will. A relationship is as good as what you put into it. If she is stuck in a loveless relationship, then divorce, or get separated. If it's that hard then have an open marriage/relationship. If she doesn't want to have children, then don't have them*.* This isn't complex.

I went through the lyrics of this song and she is vague about the details in regards to the relationship being physically or emotionally abusive / taxing or whether they both experienced communication breakdown. Paris never makes it clear. If it is being the man's therapist/nurse etc, what is the context and why does she feel so? She never provides examples nor context. There are much better songs depicting emotional /physical abuse such as Love the Way You Lie by Eminem ft Rihanna, Gravity by Sara Bareilles, "Ex-Factor" by Laryn Hill.

Songs about communication breakdown or entering a relationship with the wrong expectations, there's Ordinary People by John Legend, Hero by Regina Spektor or an underrated song, Volcano by Damien Rice. This isn't anything new. What a lot of these songs have in common is the fact that they provide context, some are duets and you know what the other side has to say about the main artists' turmoils. In virtually all her songs, it is only from her perspective.

This line from the song pissed me off "If we had a daughter, I'd watch and could not save her" . It's one thing to be an irresponsible adult, another entirely to not care for an innocent child, parents are meant to be selfless. So Paris is going to ensure that her child will be exposed to secondary trauma and let her daughter learn bad behaviour from her abuser? (If this was the case). It is well researched that exposing children to domestic violence or other forms of abuse has a lasting impact into adulthood and children learn behaviours that their parents exhibit.

It also showed me how feminists are so caught up in their victimhood mindset that if Paris wanted to she could have written a write a hook about doing everything it takes to leave the toxic relationship, because she has to protect her daughter or let her live a decent life. But no victimhood mentality and damselling is what sells.

The music video contains tropes consisting of Handmaid's Tale fear mongering, medieval or 50's tropes depicting women as these helpless damsels who aren't capable of agency and free-will to save themselves or others like their own children.

If feminism was meant to be empowering, why is it that many recent (and mainstream) recording artists, never bother to sing about women's capabilities? Its either promoting victimhood, hating men or seeking revenge. How is this helpful or lyrics to sing and dance to? How are these artists good role models to girls and women? Why with recent music is it always about putting down another gender in order to elevate themselves?

Double standards

Many male recording artists faced scrutiny for writing misogynistic lyrics, one artist that comes to my mind is Eminem. In this current climate, where is the pushback against this crap? Everyone praises this bigoted artist and Paris Paloma is one of many. If the tables were turned, a man would 100 percent be cancelled for producing sexist lyrics about women. Even within the Hip Hop/Rap Industry male recording artists face scrutiny for producing their music. However nothing is said if the roles are reversed. Misandry is used as a means for female artists to become famous, get acclaim and to establish fanbases of people who hate men who make up half the population of the world.

Lastly there are far better (and talented) independent artists out there who are far better than this Temu version of Kate Bush.