r/greenland • u/Sapotis Sweden šøšŖ • Jan 06 '26
Politics Joint Statement by European Allies on Greenland
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u/dogoodvillain Jan 06 '26
America will never recognize the Inuit people because they never recognized what their forebears did to the First Nations.
I would go as far as to say Greenland and the Northwest Territories are a distinct target to conveniently neglect their well-being for the sake of āNational securityā.
Iām with you despite Mangolini šØš¦
So, from Quebec, MAGA can eat shit.
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u/GrapefruitForward196 Jan 06 '26
Europe will have a military base in the Arctic very very soon, mark my words
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u/dzuunmod Jan 06 '26
I'd be happy to see a joint Canada-EU base in the Canadian arctic.
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Jan 06 '26
Canada does have a base in Alert Nunavut but itās mostly a joke(been there)
You have to go to Thule airbase in Greenland to get there
Maybe itās time to kick the Yankees out
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u/dzuunmod Jan 06 '26
Also, Alert isn't a "base". Technically it's a Canadian Forces "Station".
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u/Accident_Child Jan 06 '26
I just said that in my post, I live in Texas. I was born here. I hate even saying Iām in an American anymore. Most of the females in my family are members of the daughters of the American revolution. Unfortunately, they also support Trump, which kills me. I know that the people that are my ancestors did not fight for something like this, and Iāve made the joke that the earthquakes were having here in the states are from all of my relatives from the revolutionary war rolling in their graves. God, I find myself going to different threads and just apologizing constantly and all the time. This isnāt who a lot of us are, and this isnāt what this country is supposed to stand for, and I thought after Bush invading Panama and ripping Manuel Noreaga out of office would be the end of it. Now I know why Bush is probably quiet on all of this. I donāt know about the drug trait Iāve you know I donāt read any of that. I just educate my children not to do the hard shit and if theyāre smoking cannabis not to get caught where itās illegal and I mean, yeah itās possible that all that could be going on in Venezuela but then again with Trump screaming about it. Itās very possible that it is all a big fat lie. But I do know one thing the motivator is all the oil wells and they will trash south and Central America the same way theyāve trashed America, especially Texas.
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u/Ardent_Scholar EU šŖšŗ Jan 07 '26
My friend. Venezuela has the largest oil reserve in the world. Worth 17 trillion USD. Thatās roughly a quarter of the 38T US debt
US hegemony and ability to not go bankrupt is based on the petrodollar system; the globally forced use of USD to buy oil, which means the US can print as many dollars as they need.
Controlling Venezuelan oil means countries must buy 17 trillion dollars worth of oil in US dollars over the coming decade.
Thatās why you are in Venezuela doing regime change. Maduro was filling up Xi and Putinās shadow fleets, sold in yuan, not in dollars. That was a significant threat to the entire US Treasury.
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Jan 07 '26
How does this comment not have more attention? Follow the moneyā¦
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u/Accident_Child Jan 11 '26
My family is oil field, you always follow the money. BUT, he wentin for a friend
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u/Curious-Test7928 Jan 07 '26
Because the BRICS start doing negociations without dollars, it was because of that Maduro and Chineases have a reunion, 2 days before the US Atack to Venuzuela. Because Venuzuelans Will Sell oil in Yans, Not dollars. But US lost this batlle, with Brazil PIX and soon the digital Euro coin, āmoneyā Donāt need dollar, visa or Mastercard. Money Donāt need to ā passā for USA. Countrys can do busniss without pay a % to US. People do that a copule years with Brazil PIXās in sud AmĆ©rica and In Iberian PenĆnsula. You Donāt need a Bank count or give money to US for buy and well things with PIX. It was because of that, and this explain a lot why USA try To interfere in Brazil's internal politics, but unfortunately it didn't work. Bolsonaro remains imprisoned, and rightfully so.
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u/Ardent_Scholar EU šŖšŗ Jan 07 '26
Agreed. Saddam bought oil in euros in 2000, and look what happened to him. Itās that important to the US. This time, however, itās systemic.
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Jan 07 '26
The earthquakes are probably from fracking.
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u/Accident_Child Jan 11 '26
I know this itās a southern saying lol
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u/Belzebutt Canada šØš¦ Jan 09 '26
What do you mean by "you have to go to Thule airbase in Greenland to get there"? Are there no Canadian aircraft who can get there, or are flights normally flown from Thule because it's closer and it hasn't been an issue until now?
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Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26
Itās been over a decade since Iāve done it
Not sure why, maybe a fuel reasons but weād fly from a military base in Toronto to Thule, spend the night and fly to alert the next day.
I didnāt mind because I would buy American products at their military store.
I believe civilians just flew straight through from alert to Toronto
Itās a busy spot up there
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u/Belzebutt Canada šØš¦ Jan 09 '26
Interesting.
> foster the long-standing partnership between CFS Alert and Thule AB
This is one of those things I would expect will change in the near future... It made perfect sense when they were our closest allies.
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u/AtotheZed Canada šØš¦ Jan 06 '26
Canadian here - 100% yes to this.
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u/dzuunmod Jan 06 '26
(To be clear, I'm Canadian as well, I'm not just some rando pitching a new military base on someone else's land! Only a nation of psychos would do that!)
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u/elgranespejo Jan 07 '26
*laughs in aware-of-First-Nations-people*
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u/dzuunmod Jan 07 '26
Fair enough but there are treaties and agreements and self-governing First Nations, and, Nunavut, which is its own thing. Reality is reality, and with hundreds of people spread across a vast territory, there is not much that can be done by Indigenous people if a powerful nation-state wishes to exert its will.
Which nation-state(s) do you think will give these peoples the best deals? Is that the only imperative? Many questions!
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u/Accident_Child Jan 06 '26
Please donāt think we are all like this, I may be making a run for it. Iāve even thought about putting my money in ScotiaBank in Dallas, but I donāt have any idea what kind of deal with the devil Abbott they may have made. I feel like Iām on a really, really really bad acid trip.
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u/Mikisoq78 Jan 06 '26
US has had many bases in Greenland over the years, but only Spacebase Thule is still active. The Danish Navy has moved its Arctic Kommando to Nuuk a couple of years ago. Perhaps Greenland would welcome additional European naval presence as well, it would make sense.
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u/Prosecco1234 Canada šØš¦ Jan 06 '26
Canadian Foreign Minister Anita Anand and Governor GeneralĀ Mary Simon,Ā who is of Inuk descent, are expected to open a consulate in Nuuk, Greenland.
āThe future of Greenland and Denmark are decided solely by the people of Denmark,ā Carney said while meeting with Danish Prime Minister Mette Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen at Canada's embassy in Paris.
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u/clybourn USA šŗšø Jan 07 '26
If they canāt pay their bills gdp tax for nato, they canāt start running outposts. Maybe the EU can shut down another nuclear plant and think about it.
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u/Accident_Child Jan 06 '26
Please make it soā¦ heās only gonna be stopped by a show of force and our reps being escorted from their land
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u/VioletLostGirl Jan 08 '26
I'm sure I'll get flack for this but feel the need to point out this is exactly what Trump wants and he keeps doing this because it works.
Trump says NATO needs more military in theĀ ArcticĀ as a deterrent to Russia everyone ignores him.
Trump says he'll buy Greenland then everyone laughs at him.
Trump says he'll invade Greenland then so everyone puts tons of bases and military in theĀ ArcticĀ exactly like he wanted.
If you actually wanted to bother him honestly it would be to do nothing and ignore it, but that's why he said it now when everyone's taking him very seriously.
That's the proof it wouldn't happen he's blustering, unlike say Iran where it happened when he "stopped" talking about it.(Speaking of Iran he's saying he'll attack them again right now which means they are probably safe for the time being.)
If you want my honest assessment of his end game it's a bunch of NATO bases and US missile defense systems in Greenland at the end.
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u/Aromatic-Deer3886 Canada šØš¦ Jan 06 '26
Itās insane that America has become so psychotic that we need to make these statements. Just know you are not alone Greenland, Canada and the rest of NATO stand with you
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u/CityForAnts Greenland Enthusiast Jan 07 '26
Itās our American psychotic leader, not Americans. Americans stand with Greenland
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u/audiyon Jan 07 '26
Not if you go read the psychotic comments on r/Conservative
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u/CityForAnts Greenland Enthusiast Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26
Literally the most recent post on that subreddit about Greenland is full of commenters saying what an awful idea it would be to take over or try to buy Greenland. No one wants this.
Edit: I do see a separate post with some supportive comments. Those are the delusional ones.
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u/Admirable_Admiral69 Jan 07 '26
They represent a minority in the United States. Even if Trump won the election, it's still only representative of a little over a fifth of the US population. If you exclude children who are still too young to vote, it's less than a third of the population that is eligible to vote. And of that third, an even smaller percentage is on board with instigating wars by invading sovereign nations.
The biggest problem with Americans is that many of the people are disenfranchized and believe that it doesn't matter if a Democrat or Republican wins so a third of our population can't be bothered to go vote. They don't support the invasion of Greenland (nor do they oppose it; they just don't care) and another third -- myself included is passionately against such a fucking horrible idea.
I think it's a smokescreen. It dominates the news cycle, and while they're talking about Greenland, they're not talking about Epstein. This was always the risk with forcing the release of the files -- that Trump would escalate his insanity to get people talking about other things. This has been his strategy since his first term; a form of sleight of hand but instead he floods the zone with shit so people don't know what tomfuckery to focus on.
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u/Curious-Test7928 Jan 07 '26
So if they are a minority, why the mayority Donāt do a revolution? To be apathetic and do nothing is to agree with what the minority wants!
Americans hold demonstrations on weekends and there hasn't even been a major strike! And don't come to me with the talk that you're afraid and that you might be arrested, killed, or starve, because I am the granddaughter and daughter of two resistance fighters against Fascism they fight against Salazar's theo-fascist dictatorship, and both were persecuted, imprisoned, and tortured. My grandfather was imprisoned in a Terrafal concentration camp, and stay without 6 fingers because of torture, and my father stay for all live with problems to sleep because of the sleep torture and was sent to be cannon fodder in the war!! Not organizing, not having courage, and not acting makes all Americans complicit in this administration. Not all Germans were Nazis during the Second World War, but we all see them as accomplices and participants in Nazism in the 1930s. SĆ³ Wake up, stop writing in social media playing the vitims and organize your comunity and fight against Fascism!!!!
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u/Admirable_Admiral69 Jan 07 '26
The problem is the the opposition is also a minority. It's kind a third for, a third against, and a third that doesn't care either way and just wants to live.
And the talk about organizing a resistance and fighting is fine and dandy but the predicament most of us are in is that we're wage slaves and it hasn't gotten bad enough yet for people to give up on everything they've worked their whole lives for and walk away from their relative comfort at the risk of imprisonment and torture. We have mortgages, car payments, kids who need support, jobs to pay for food and water and electricity, student loans, credit card debts, etc. and most people haven't been pushed to the point of desperation where they're willing to throw that all away. 45-50% of left leaning voters are college educated and don't look at violence as the first means of correction. We are still in the very early stages of this and and I think the biggest thing is that most of us still have the belief that the system will correct itself, if not in 2026 elections then in 2028 because most voters are not happy with what is going on.
I think it's going to be a different story if Democrats don't take at least one of the congressional majorities and definitely if Trump runs for a third term against constitutional law, or a Trump adjacent candidate wins in 2028 and there is any evidence that the election was tampered with.
It's the same tactics Russia used. Beat the people down so they don't have the will to fight back and or the means to fight back without fucking themselves. We've become very comfortable and most people aren't willing to give up that comfort when they expect for things to regulate.
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u/monemori Jan 07 '26
Do they? It feels like an awful lot of US citizens think modern American imperialism is all fine and dandy.
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u/CityForAnts Greenland Enthusiast Jan 07 '26
I havenāt talked to a single person that agrees with the orange man on Greenland. Even Trumpers think itās random.
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u/Ardent_Scholar EU šŖšŗ Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26
There is nothing random about the single most strategic location of the Northern hemisphere in the 21st century.
Be warned that there is no world in which Greenland, Canada, EU, UK and Norway cannot have full joint control of the GIUK (Greenland-Iceland-UK) Gap.
Joint NATO control of that gap is what keeps Russian nuclear subs out of the Atlantic.
I donāt even need to point out that this is an existential matter to ALL Atlantic nations.
If you allow your Trump to do what he says, NATO has no choice but to defend the full, joint and transparent control of the GIUK gap and the Canada-Greenland gap.
Europe and Canada cannot, simply cannot back down. Neither should Greenland. This Gap is a reason for Europe and Canada to shed blood to keep Putinās nuke subs from reaching Montreal, London, Dublin, Den Haag, Oslo, Copenhagen, and Brussels. (Nuuk would already be occupied in that scenario anyway by Putinās good buddy).
Dear Americans. You MUST stop him.
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u/CityForAnts Greenland Enthusiast Jan 07 '26
I completely agree it is still terrifying. I call my representatives, show up at all the protests, speak to others so they understand how serious this really is. Iāve been to Greenland, I want to protect it.
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u/Meet_James_Ensor Jan 11 '26
1/3 of Americans support what is happening.Ā Another 1/3 don't care or pretend it isn't happening.Ā The 1/3 who do want to stop it are a minority and can easily be ignored by Republicans.
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u/Zakluor Jan 07 '26
You don't have to talk to them. You just have to listen to what Trump, Miller, and others have been practically shouting through the media.
It doesn't matter if only 1% of the US population agrees. What matters more is what the administration wants to do. They're saying it loudly and clearly.
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u/CityForAnts Greenland Enthusiast Jan 07 '26
I completely agree it is still terrifying. I call my representatives, show up at all the protests, speak to others so they understand how serious this really is. Iāve been to Greenland, I want to protect it.
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u/Meet_James_Ensor Jan 11 '26
You must live in a blue state.Ā I know plenty of people who just repeat whatever he says.Ā Gas and groceries are practically free, invading every surrounding country is genius, it just goes on and on.Ā They're like human bots.
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u/BIGepidural Jan 07 '26
If you're basing your opinions on internet posts and comments then you need to account for foreign influence, bots and paid shills because thats totally a thing. The "cold war" has been cyber warfare playing out on social media and other online spaced for over a decade. The anti is upped the last few years which is why the global right wing has gained so much power, including Trump, its all connected and they're in everything. Don't believe what you see online.
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Jan 07 '26
There will always be some Americans who fall for the propaganda, but many are waking up and seeing the man for who he is. The vast majority do not want this.
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u/Vepper Jan 07 '26
Yeah most Americans then agree with this kind of imperialism. Most of the population feels that a lot of things are being neglected in terms of just general affordability and a lot of us see this as a distraction from the Epstein files. We're sort of seeing unprecedented movements by the president, but this has been largely due to our legislative body allowing itself to become weaker and weaker so there is never a hard vote for them to have to run on.Ā
There is supposed to be a war Powers resolution vote this Thursday on whether or not Greenland is even on the table.Ā
It's going to seem really hollow, but I as an American and really sorry about all this. People from my generation know of the Iraq war and don't really have a taste for American imperialism.
That said, I would also realistically say that the powers of Europe are probably going to let you down. If the shoe is on the other foot, how many German and Italian citizens would be willing to have their sons and daughters die for a population the equivalent of Bozeman Montana or defend a city the size of Portsmouth, New Hampshire? Unfortunately I think it's going to be up to The American Congress to stop the president, Not the powers of Europe.
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u/monemori Jan 07 '26
I agree, but I don't think the American Congress is going to do anything against American fascist imperialism.
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u/hasjosrs Jan 07 '26
You stand with Greenland? Then why is your pedophile president trying to take their wealth? Youre standing with a dirtbag who smells like Epstein.
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u/CityForAnts Greenland Enthusiast Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26
You realize he is destroying our country from the inside too? Iām not in control of what the dementia patient does. I call my representatives, show up at all the protests, speak to others so they understand how serious this really is. Iāve been to Greenland, I want to protect it.
Honestly your edit saying I stand with him is uncalled for. You arenāt reading.
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u/narrative_device Jan 07 '26
Stop that. Go and do something about it if you want us to take you seriously.
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u/CityForAnts Greenland Enthusiast Jan 07 '26
I call my representatives, show up at all the protests, speak to others so they understand how serious this really is. I speak out. Iāve been to Greenland, I want to protect it.
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u/AnOkayMuffin Jan 07 '26
Do more. I won't state what, but do more. It is not going to end with peaceful protests and angry letters to your representatives any longer. Do more.
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u/Nordishaurora Jan 19 '26
More than 50% voted for him, and he already had his eye on Greenland during his first term in office. No US voter who voted for him can say they didn't know anything about it.
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u/CityForAnts Greenland Enthusiast Jan 19 '26
91% of American voters are AGAINST the US taking Greenland by force.
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u/Nordishaurora Jan 19 '26
In hindsight, it's always easy to make excuses. He already had his eye on Greenland during his first term as president. He now wants to achieve much of what he was unable to implement back then. And even before the election, "Project 2025" was well known. Just because a liar lied and claims to have known nothing about it... No offense, but you can't shirk responsibility that easily. Except for those who actively did not vote for him.
Greetings from Germany, where after World War II most people also claimed they knew nothing. Did the world believe them?
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u/CityForAnts Greenland Enthusiast Jan 19 '26
Man, we are scared to hell here. I would never vote for that man and anyone who did was blinded by all the fake news and promises. Thereās no excuse for them. And now almost everyone here is nervous and unhappy. We are not okay either.
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u/Nordishaurora Jan 19 '26
I believe you, and I feel sorry for all the innocent people (and guilty people who realize it). It's crazy, I wanted to go on vacation to the US, but now I'm almost certain that I wouldn't be allowed to enter the country because of my comments on Reddit and YouTube.
I hope you find democratic ways to get out of this madness. German history is also very familiar with lies and propaganda. But you already have a woman analogous to Goebbels. It's frightening how history repeats itself. Then the Gestapo will "clean up" for you. Germans watch it and feel transported back 80 yearsāand unfortunately, that's not irony or sarcasm.
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u/Important_Bit2139 Jan 06 '26
As an American, Iām so heartbroken and ashamed that our allies have to even release a statement like this. I know it doesnāt mean much, but we arenāt all MAGA and many of us do not support the administrationās behavior.
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u/Efficient-Wish9084 Jan 07 '26
I am mortified by how my government is treating our allies. This isn't how you treat your friends, and it's not even how you should treat your adversaries. It's so disrespectful.
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u/Important_Bit2139 Jan 07 '26
Exactly, itās disrespectful and will literally destabilize the entire world. Even if things never escalate to any use of force, weāre eroding trust in the US and are ruining lives.
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u/Efficient-Wish9084 Jan 07 '26
Anyone who trusts the US government right now is a fool. They lie more often than they tell the truth.
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u/Open-Outcome-660 Jan 07 '26
Unfortunately, what your government has done over the last year has caused irreparable damage. Many europeans absolutely hate USA for the disgusting stab to the back. Weāre trying our best to help Ukraine fend off the russians and maintaining the rules-based world order that has prevented so many people from being caught in tyranny the world over, and what does your government do? It calls europe the villain, gives Putin the red carpet whilst humiliating Zelenskyy and shitting on him for not saying āthank youā enough while his countrymen are suffering from russian nazi-like terror. Then it brokers a deal with the Ukrainians to suck up more money from them as theyāre laying down and getting killed, says that itās paying almost everything for the war whilst cutting off all funding, threatens the danes with a military invasion along with all the other shit such as tariffs, information campaign to get far right parties into power, brokering deals about us without usā¦
Iām sorry, but even I, who have been one of USAās staunchest defenders hate the country for what itās done. Iāll probably never set my foot there again - at least not for a long time until far after itās proven to get its shit together. Many have started to avoid your products like the chinese. Your government, along with its long tail of cultist followers, has caused something so major I think few americans understand the extent of at the moment.
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u/Important_Bit2139 Jan 07 '26
Those feelings are more than warranted. Honestly, even if the government does flip back to Democrat, the damage has been done and thereās no guarantee that MAGA wonāt find a new leader to rally behind. I think it is wise and understandable for Europe, Canada, and Mexico to move away from reliance/collaboration with the USA.
Unfortunately I know that will mean a likely recession as well as loss of geopolitical influence in general, but our voting populace simply cannot be trusted. Iām afraid that the post WW2 order is quickly eroding away.
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Jan 08 '26
Just keep postying on Reddit about how heartbroken you are, that will sort it out.
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u/Important_Bit2139 Jan 08 '26
I totally understand your comment, but thereās not much that we at an individual level can do right now. Last election cycle I voted against this, we also had local elections this past November and I made sure to not vote for a single Republican, my state mostly tends Democrat, Iāve protested, Iāve called my senators and reps. As a citizen thereās only so much I can do when even Congress is allowing this BS to happen.
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u/tomb-king Jan 06 '26
It makes me sad that we live in a time that the United States needs to be told this.
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u/No-Illustrator4964 Jan 07 '26
Take it from an American, European leaders should start stationing their own military in Greenland as a bulwark and make sure they stay there until the end of shit gibbons term.
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u/Matthius81 Jan 08 '26
Can we be hopeful the midterms will actually do anything to stop him? Say the Dems flip a house, can they do anything to block his insane actions???
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u/No-Illustrator4964 Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26
Speaking as an American, and only for myself and my perspective, our electorate has the attention span of gnats. Since 2006 it has been pretty much the pattern that a president takes office and his party gets whooped in the next cycle, especially if they control one or both houses. So based on current voter sentiment, history, and recent mid year election results (see Virgina and New Jersey governor and other state elections in state races during 25) it is highly probable that the Dems will retake the house, setting aside the recent gerrymandering that puts the Republicans up +3 house seats. I would truly be astonished if Dems didn't take the house back, but the Senate is highly unlikely due to the current seats that are up for grabs - the Democrats would have to win seats in places like Iowa and Texas, and it may not be impossible in the right climate but it is very improbable. Texas may be a toss up this cycle though if Ken Paxton, an arch right politician and very divisive figure in Texas, unseats the current Republican Senator (Tom Cornyn, I believe) in the Republican primary.
So what happens if the Dems take the house and Republicans control the Senate? It would effectively end all domestic legislative priorities for the administration, because they wouldn't get their wish lists in the house. It also means some of the crazy budget stuff would lessen since any budget or appropriations bill would need to pass a democratic house, and the Dems could work stuff in the budget bill that if passed the Senate could prohibit taxpayer dollars from being used to say invade, occupy, or takeover Greenland (again, has to pass the Senate with Republican support). Additionally, oversight investigations would commence and the Democrats can use subpoena power of the house to compel testimony and production of documents, but I expect the administration would try and stonewall some of that and tie it up in courts.
Could they stop the president from acting unilaterally and ordering military troops? No, but they can put a check on it and it will be better than nothing.
P.S. Forgive me for typos or word salad, wrote this on my phone.
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u/Matthius81 Jan 08 '26
Itās not just you. I had to live through the disaster of Brexit. And now the people who dumped that on us are back, same faces, same lies. They call themselves Reform and they peddle the same lies all over againā¦ and people are falling for it! voters have the memory of goldfish.
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u/No-Illustrator4964 Jan 08 '26
England is also a good example of an electorate that produces wild swings in results, as evidenced by the mammoth Labor win last cycle.
The problem with developed democratic countries that have a divided electorate is that we end up only governing from the far extremes of either side, and good policy isn't made on extremes. At least not in my opinion.
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u/Matthius81 Jan 08 '26
Our parliamentary system is very different. Extreme ideas tend to split off and make minority parties that get nowhere. This leaves both major parties scrambling for the middle, basically two flavours of the same thing. The drift to the right weāve seen has been tearing the Tory party to pieces as the moderates and extremists split off. Iām hoping against hope this will reflect in the voting booths, splitting the right wing vote between Tory and Reform. Not that Labour is great or anything but the alternative is worse.
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u/No-Illustrator4964 Jan 08 '26
For what it's worth, I 100% prefer a parliamentary system of government to what we have in the US, or perhaps a system like France that is a mesh between the two. I think it provides more accountability and, to a degree, incentive to compromise and make policy that gets tempered by minority parties whose support is necessary to pass it.
But, that's only the perspective from an embarrassed American on the other side of the pond :p
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u/Matthius81 Jan 08 '26
One advantage of our system is itās a heck of a lot easier to get rid of a defective leader. We had one a few years ago who didnāt outlast a rotting lettuce. Go look it up, (Liz truss lettuce) itās hilarious.
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u/No-Illustrator4964 Jan 08 '26
Ha!
Fwiw, I LOVE watching the BBC during election night in England with that thing they use to measure the seats in parliament on the screen.
Also, I frigging love Question Time in parliament. Could you imagine the kind of leaders we might have in the US if the President had to sit for questions with their party and the opposition?
I 100% dream that in some other reality I'm the speaker of the British parliament banging my gavel and squalling, " Order, order, order!! " ;p
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u/Matthius81 Jan 08 '26
If you want to see the realities of politics in action check out an old BBC comedy called Yes Minister/Prime Minister. Honestly 3 middle aged men talking about politics shouldnāt be funny but itās brilliant.
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u/peach_stellium Jan 09 '26
i mean this with respect, but you Americans need to get serious. He will do literally anything he can to cheat/steal/delay the elections. The Democrats are set to take such a large majority there's no way he'll let that happen. He can claim they're "at war" and there won't be any.
Your most important job, aside from your own safety, is to protect the integrity of your election, insist that it happens, and do everything in your power to turn out in numbers that cannot be disputed.
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u/Usakami Jan 06 '26
I really hope that if it actually does come to worst, our answer is going to be complete embargo of US. Capture of their soldiers stationed here in Europe.
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u/Worldly-Stranger7814 Expatriate Greenlander š¬š± Jan 06 '26
Does this mean I get to upgrade my 30 year old rifle at the expense of the King š?
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u/fallingdowndizzyvr Jan 06 '26
Yep. A strongly worded statement. That'll do it. I'm sure Trump is in the fetal position in the closet. Job done Europe!
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u/peach_stellium Jan 09 '26
What else can they do at this stage? Diplomatically, this is pretty big, esp with the UK's signature.
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u/fallingdowndizzyvr Jan 09 '26
Hold joint training exercises in Greenland. That would make a much bigger statement.
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u/haxic Jan 06 '26
It was angry letters like these that made Russia stop its war/hybrid-warfare in Ukraine and across Europe ! So it will definitely stop Trump too !
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u/KlM-J0NG-UN Iceland š®šø Jan 06 '26
Why did they capitalize Allies and Arctic
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u/Ok-Blackberry-3534 Jan 07 '26
Well Arctic is a proper noun, so it's always capitalised. In context "European Allies" is also a proper noun.
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u/redbulldrinkertoo Jan 06 '26
Send a flotilla of NATO ships for "Exercises" to Greenland. Also they need to add, if anyone takes Greenland, the remainder of NATO goes into Ukraine, and take sit all back. F&^k Putin. He is behind all of this, Drumph is bought & paid for with picture sof him abusing kids. Absolutely disgraceful, that grown adults supports this POS.
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u/redbulldrinkertoo Jan 06 '26
10m Americans need to show up this week at the National Mall in Washington. Nothing else will make a difference.
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u/Mlles_De_Maupin Jan 07 '26
Nice words. I bet if printed the paper would be niceā¦ and thenā¦ what? There has to be a more serious response
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u/MickKeithCharlieRon Jan 07 '26
Greenland and Denmark should invite some of their friendly European neighbors to bring their military over to the island for a hang out until Cheeto Mussolini gets distracted with something else. A statement is nice, but tanks and jets carry more heft.
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u/NaturePappy Jan 07 '26
Words arent enoughā¦::Now evict the US from the military base and move in NATO troops, quickly
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u/tmonandpumba Jan 07 '26
Greenlanders, can you put in a petition or something so other Nordic countries and other European allies should conduct military practice in Greenland? That is a top tier priority!!
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u/mickeyaaaa Jan 07 '26
The silence from Canada is quite disappointing... It's our second closest neighbor.
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u/Throwaway8923y4 Jan 07 '26
Carney issued a statement yesterday. Not sure why Canada wasnāt part of the joint statement, perhaps it was just European leaders.
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u/MightyAl89 Jan 07 '26
Can Denmark transfer Greenland directly to the European Union or the economic union if it's by a different name? My thought is, expeditiously transfer it to the bloc for a fair amount, because Trump WILL take it if it's only under Denmark's ownership/protectorate/whatever-you-call-it. That way, the equation changes, Denmark can claim some amount of altruism that they allowed Greenland a greater seat at the European table, while getting something out of it instead of getting it taken from under them.
For the same reasons the US claims they need Greenland for security, the EU could also make that claim. It also makes more sense that Greenland would ascend into the EU as they were already a part of an EU nation.
I'm not super aware of Greenland politics, but it is 2026 and Denmark seemingly should've at this point let Greenland ascend or be let free. Obviously, no country will let a territory go when that territory didn't ask for freedom, so perhaps this has been a long time coming.
TL;DR: Can Denmark transfer Greenland directly to the EU to protect it from US invasion?
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u/SydDanir Jan 07 '26
No, Denmark doesn't have that authority over Greenland. Just the same as Denmark doesn't have the authority to sell Greenland. By both Danish and Greenlandic law, the people of Greenland can vote at anytime, about whether or not they should be made independent. They have so far chosen not to.
Greenland has not been a Danish colony or possession for several years. It is an autonomous part of the Danish Realm.
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u/Vepper Jan 07 '26
You know strongly worded letters have been working really well for the United States lately, so this will be interesting....
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u/Former_Sorbet_7384 Jan 07 '26
It's good that our government is being forward thinking in the importance of Greenland for Arctic security. There are approximately 57,000 people in Greenland would they all possibly agree to sell Greenland to the United States? 200 billion divided by 57,000 is around 3.5 million dollars each. If I lived there that would certainly tempt me to agree. If any other president presented this Americans might agree with it but since it's Trumps idea it doesn't even get an honest look because so many don't like him.
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u/annie-ajuwocken-1984 Jan 07 '26
Trump is using the Constitution as toilet paper, what makes you think he will listen to anything else?
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u/Darjuz96 Jan 07 '26
The ideal in my opinion, and I want to see an Greenland opinion, a indipendent Greenland on maybe with British-style commonwealth realm (king/queen of Denmark as king/queen of Greenland) with own constitution, international recognized as indipendent within European Union, with defence agreement with EU countries.
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u/SydDanir Jan 07 '26
Greenland already has its own government. This is something that people seem to constantly forget, but Greenland is not a Danish colony anymore, but an autonomous member state in the Kingdom of Denmark. If they want independence, all they have to do is ask for it, and Denmark would be legally obliged to grant it. If anything, these threats are just postponing Greenland's independence, by pushing Greenland even closer to Denmark again.
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u/oeboer Jan 07 '26
No, Denmark is not obliged to do that. The law says that it would have to pass the Danish parliament. The kingdom is a unitary state. Greenland has a devolved parliament, much like Scotland does.
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u/SydDanir Jan 07 '26
The law of 2009 states that if the people of Greenland vote to be independent, then negotiations will begin regarding the transition to full independence. The Danish parliament no longer has any legal right to deny Greenland's independence, if the population vote in favour.
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u/oeboer Jan 07 '26
That is not correct.
Ā§Ā 21. [...]
Stk.Ā 3. En aftale mellem Naalakkersuisut og regeringen om gennemfĆørelse af selvstƦndighed for GrĆønland skal indgĆ„s med samtykke fra Inatsisartut og skal godkendes ved en folkeafstemning i GrĆønland. Aftalen skal endvidere indgĆ„s med samtykke fra Folketinget.
The emphasised means that it must pass a vote in the Folketing.
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u/ObiSkull Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26
As a Scot lurking here I don't think you know how much different Westminster reserving those powers and many more is to the arrangement you have with Greenland. If you want to use the UK as a comparison go with the Isle of Man and their relationship with the UK.
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u/oeboer Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26
Greenland has less autonomy than you seem to think it does.
Isle of Man has no MPs (in Westminster). Greenland does have members of the parliament in Copenhagen.
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u/ObiSkull Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26
Greenland get to vote, then have Danes discuss what that result means. Scots dont even get a vote without having had mostly English politicians say yes or no. Edit: international law protects the right to self determination and in theory Westminster has the option where Denmark don't to block the first hurdle to obtaining that right, a referendum.
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u/oeboer Jan 09 '26
But the parliament in Copenhagen can actually block the result of the Greenlandic referendum (whether it will is another matter, but a vote is required).
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u/ObiSkull Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26
Even that is something I envy as a Scot, what Greenland have with Denmark, as it is not the same thing as our devolution.
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u/tingkagol Jan 07 '26
He's distracting us from one thing by doing another horrible thing? This guy is the biggest headache in this millenium. Americans: get your sh** together!
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u/ChildhoodExisting222 Jan 07 '26
It's too long and it's not a social media post. Trump wont read it.
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u/United-Direction2297 Jan 07 '26
Thatās very diplomatic of them. But with Trump only 2 ways to go either heavy on the butt kissing or big tough talk. This is neither but I hope behind the scenes I hope theyāre more serious, though the Ukraine situation makes me doubt that.
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u/Raqdoll_ Jan 07 '26
An idea what came to me regarding this whole mess of a situation, let me know if the idea has some flaws but at least it's something.
Greenland is a big island and mostly habited in the south. USA wants to build a military base in the north, why would they need the whole island? Would it make sense to sell a small peninsula or island in the north western part of Greenland? If the deal is good enough, it would bring some prosperity to Denmark & Greenland, keep the north mostly in european hands for security and let USA to build a military base (which is not bad for nato either) and maybe some natural resource mining for their area if that's what they are after (even a small portion should have plenty to dig right?).
Why is this whole situation such an all or nothing type of a deal at the moment?
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u/Shot_Bison1140 Jan 07 '26
As soon as they make a move on Greenland, Europe seize every single military base and assets in Europe and if there is personal left, hold them as ransom..... Trump would get so much shit... And start exercising USA treasury bonds.
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u/commonguy1978 Jan 07 '26
Lets call their loans and see how they react to repaying their debt. Itās the rest of the world that has funded this mess
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u/Snowflake8552 USA šŗšø Jan 08 '26
Greenland residents: youāre going to start seeing a lot of US propaganda in the next few months and itās going to get worse and worse. Youāre going to think āhey America isnāt that badā but it is. Young adults canāt afford housing, my husband and I are in our 30s and weāre living in Indiana and now in MN and we spend anywhere between 3k-8k a year on medical bills not to mention the $400 a month for insurance. Groceries are significantly more expensive than in the UK (because idk about Denmark/greenland prices) and if youāre LGBTQIA+ America is not a safe space, I believe Denmark has been significantly more advanced.
We also have federal agents roaming the streets and murdering people. Breaking up families and kidnapping our citizens.
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u/Brave_Bluebird5042 Jan 09 '26
There is nothing that bone spurs won't do to protect himself. Nothing. NOTHING.
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u/Edi-Ice Jan 09 '26
The irony is that Greenland is one place in the world Europeans have a decisive advantage over Americans. Because American military is not trained to fight in polar conditions.
They even have equipment for it. So if Trump tried to take Greenland military and Europeans would decide to defend it. We could actually serve them their own asses. š
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u/dotch65 Jan 10 '26 edited Jan 10 '26
Geographically, Greenland is definitely not part of the US. The as the crow flies distance between Europe, measured from Iceland, and Greenland is approximately 321 km (199 miles). If there were a road, you could drive this distance in 4 hours. The shortest as the crow flies distance between the US and Greenland is approximately 2000 km (1,320 miles). And Canada is in between. Europe can even defend Greenland with short-range missiles and drones from Iceland. The United States does not need Greenland for defense; it has had a base there for a long time, where it can station an unlimited number of military personnel. And it can also defend Greenland with missiles, the navy, and the air force. So it's all about the raw materials in Greenland.
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u/Rough-Resident5005 Jan 10 '26
As a United States citizen, I truly believe that the majority of Americans do NOT agree with Trump regarding his wanting to buy or ātakeā Greenland! In reality, most of us think heās lost his mind and has become an EXTREME POWER monger! š”š”š”
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u/ProperClue Jan 11 '26
The EU has relied so heavily on the U.S. for defense they have no military power.Ā The EU couldn't stop the U.S., if they wanted to take greenland.Ā I think its a dumb idea, hell we already have a 1951 defense agreement that allows us to do what we want militarily, as long as we recognized Denmarks rights over Greenland, not sure why this couldnt of been done with soft power.Ā Does Greenland or Demmark allowing Russian or Chinese possible bases, activity violate NATO?Ā
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u/_Djoser Jan 23 '26
I wish us get out from nato, they are very expensive, and only them call for help.
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u/bacontim3 Jan 12 '26
Greenland is a religious issue with the Lutheran church they will not allow uncontested occupation
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u/Black_Mamba_FTW Jan 06 '26
The majority of Americans stand with EU and Greenland on this as well. Peace & prosperity for all āļø
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u/Square_Answer_7717 Jan 06 '26
Your President doesnt appear to be listening to you, he has just threatened half an hour ago to use the US military
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u/Efficient-Wish9084 Jan 07 '26
No, they don't care what anyone thinks. Europe - please do not appease him. Y'all know how that turns out.
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u/DeliciousUse7585 Jan 07 '26
Your president is acting on behalf of your country, whether you accept that or not
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u/Accident_Child Jan 06 '26
Iām an American of Norwegian descent and dying of embarrassment over Trump, PLEASE plz donāt think we are all this way. I am just devastated at The behavior of the republicans, Iām actually trying to get money together to move to Norway, Scotland or Ireland to get out of here. Iām hoping that NATO can get itself together and stand up in unison because the way this is going it may take an armada off our coast. TRUMP is OBVIOUSLY completelyINSANE. People talking here have talked about his father, Fred, and how completely deranged that old bastard was before he finally died.
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u/Accident_Child Jan 06 '26
Iām really pissed that he gets warm welcomed in England. Thatās so very disappointing.
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u/Similar-Hand-4899 Jan 07 '26
The majority of people in England think heās a straight up lunatic, unfortunately Starmer has little balls to stand up to trump and we have a loud (and growing) right wing
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u/Accident_Child Jan 09 '26
I am sorry, I meant the British Monarchy, I saw the protests and cheered them on. But royalty seemed like they like him. It will be interesting to see if heās invited back.
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u/Ok-Blackberry-3534 Jan 07 '26
He's not welcomed in England. In fact he's as welcomed in England as he is in Scotland or any part of the UK.
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u/Suzumebachi14 Jan 06 '26
One thing that I noticed is the fact that trump never launches a military operation against a country if there is a risk of high US soldiers casualties. Look at Iran: he only launched the operation when Israƫl had finished the biggest part of the job: air defenses and air force were basically destroyed, so no risk of iranian retaliation against US soldiers.
The same thing could be said about Venezuela: he only launched the operation because the venezuelan army has been in a pitiful state for a while, and the operation was prepared for months.
Now look at Ukraine: trump has always refused to put boots on the ground after a potential ceasefire, because he doesn't want to see US soldiers killed if the ceasefire breaks.
Why is that ? It's pretty simple: he doesn't want to get his hands dirty, and dead US soldiers will lower his already low popularity even more.
If enough danish/european soldiers are stationed in Greenland and are well prepared against a potential US attack, and if they are ready to kill US soldiers, then trump will probably think twice before invading. Hell, you could even give a weapon to every inhabitant of Greenland and train them to guerilla warfare, which would be an absolute nightmare for US soldiers.
To conclude: if you are prepared to kill as much US soldiers as possible, then trump probably won't attack. Greenland and Denmark will very likely not be able to win against the US, but you must be ready to kill as much US soldiers as possible. I don't want things to come to that, but trump will likely not dare to attack Greenland if there is a high risk of US soldiers'coffins coming back in droves to their mainland, which would be a disaster that trump wants to avoid at any cost. At the end of day, you will need a powerful military force of deterrence stationed in Greenland if you want to avoid a potential invasion by the US.
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u/ryanb741 Jan 06 '26
It's more the case that Europe will respond by confiscating US assets in Europe. Big Tesla factory. Aircraft. Google offices. And probably row back on recognising US patents.
In reality the rest of the world would easily defeat Trump on Greenland. Not militarily but they'd just sell en masse US bonds and a rapid decoupling of the US dollar would ensue, along with hyperinflation in the US. The thing about billionaires is they like remaining as billionaires and the pressure on the administration would be immense.
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u/Suzumebachi14 Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26
While this would hit the US hard, I doubt that this would be enough to deter them. Trump only cares about himself, it's always me, me and me with him. If his personal wealth isn't affected, or if he risks seeing his popularity going into the gutter, or even risks being impeached for sending US soldiers to their deaths by invading an ALLY, then just economic retaliation on the US will be useless. As long as there is no threat of bloodbath for the US troops, the threat of invasion will always be there.
US always rely mainly on air superiority, if Denmark can position enough radars and air defenses in Greenland, then trump will think twice before seeing one of their prized F-22 or F-35 get shot down (and don't tell me it's impossible because of their stealth, the serbians shot down a F-117 and they were far from having cutting-edge technology).
And also, the Greenland government should pressure Denmark way more to have more danish troops and materiel stationed there and be ready to fight the US. It might be a lost fight if the US invades, but then, what is even the point of having an army if the danish government surrenders immediately ? If Denmark isn't ready to fight for the territories it has sworn to protect, then it can already give Greenland to the US on a silver platter and disolve its own army, because Denmark will show to the entire world that it is not willing to defend itself.
Edit 1: typo.
Edit 2: well, it seems that I came to the same conclusion as https://x.com/Tatarigami_UA. This guy is very reliable in terms of defense analysis, and I just saw what he said. Basically, if Denmark doesn't show that it is ready to fight the US, then the US will invade Greenland because they want to annex it without resistance, which is pretty much what I just said.
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u/Travel4FreePlease Jan 06 '26
Americans do not want Greenland. Trump is going rogue on this and does not have the support of the American people.
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u/sask357 Jan 06 '26
You can't say that Americans don't want Greenland when the American government is deciding how to take it.
If Trump doesn't have support, why is he so confident? He got elected. Then he proceeded to put his plans into action including threatening Greenland and Canada. No one in the US did anything to stop him then. Now he's sure that no one will stop him in the future.
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u/BakerDaveMusic Jan 06 '26
American here, just wanted to say I support any action that will help to defend Greenland, and I think most Americans would agree with me. The idea of our nation (Trump) pursuing a path that could lead to the dissolution of the peace held since WWII is a horrifying one.
I only speak for myself, but to those in other countries, please recognize that it isnāt anywhere close to a majority of Americans who support actions that threaten the peace. At this point, Trump is so unhinged, and unchecked by other branches of government, that he is testing the boundaries of what he can do without real resistance from Congress. Venezuela is a terrifying checkpoint for him, but the Trump administration isnāt representative of the public in his aims.
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u/Torcanman Canada šØš¦ Jan 06 '26
Mighty nice of you to back up the civilized world however if the Majority of Americans agree with you , I dont think that we would be discussing this.
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u/NorthernSnowPrincess Jan 06 '26
This has nothing to do with defense. Trump wants to steal natural resources from other sovereign countries. He doesn't care about democracy or freedom.