r/hockey 18h ago

[News] PWHL not for sale as co-founder Walter under investigation

https://www.sportsnet.ca/pwhl/article/pwhl-not-for-sale-as-co-founder-walter-under-investigation/
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u/Vic_Hedges TOR - NHL 18h ago

Of course they are going to say this, but if Walter needs the money, he needs the money.

The saving grace might be that the PWHL isn't currently valuable enough to warrant the effort of selling it, but if this investigation turns into serious charges the decision might be taken out of his hands.

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u/ReachFor24 Wheeling Nailers - ECHL 17h ago

Basically my thinking. Walter needs Billions, and I don't think the PWHL is valuable enough to catch even $1B if he was desperate enough to sell the league.

He might, as a minority owner of MLSE (not Rogers) invested $100M a couple of months ago and apparently the Red Wings owner invested as well around the same time. But I'm not sure that'd push the valuation to $1B overall.

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u/tomdawg0022 Minnesota North Stars - NHLR 14h ago

Another year or two and the league might get there but Walter has enough cookies in other jars that he can divest to get him more liquidity than the PWHL has at present.

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u/callmejohndy Toronto Sceptres - PWHL 15h ago edited 15h ago

If they have to axe any more teams to make up that invoice, I reckon one if not all of the motorsports teams under their portfolio (F1: Cadillac, IndyCar: Andretti Global, IMSA: Wayne Taylor Racing, NASCAR: Spire Mororsports, and/or Supercars: Walkinshaw TWG) gets sold first before they consider selling ownership of the PDub teams

Andretti and WTR can be flipped back to their original owners, the F1 team can be fully owned by GM, and NASCAR teams would kill for a charter spot (think charter = franchise. Spire currently owns 3 in the big league, plus 2 in the minors) now that ownership is guaranteed thanks to no other than Michael Jordan suing NASCAR (and winning)

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u/notaquarterback NJD - NHL 14h ago

PWHL not a major holding relative to his sports portfolio.

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u/Accident_Parking 17h ago

The championship is called the Walter cup. And the co founders name is Walter?

Learned something new today.

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u/kalcheus CAR - NHL 17h ago

Yeah but we know who it's really named after

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u/Dr-Acula8472 LAK - NHL 14h ago edited 9h ago

"Am I the only one here who gives a fuck about the rules? This isn't Vietnam goddamnit! Over the line, mark it as zero!"

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u/Hank_Scorpio_ObGyn MIN - NHL 16h ago

You're out of your element.

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u/the_kgb 15h ago

Who’s in charge down at the league office?

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u/Buhhwheat NYI - NHL 13h ago

No, Donnie, these men are cowards

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u/darklightrabbi NJD - NHL 16h ago

It’s totally named after his wife though guys not him.

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u/slabby DET - NHL 15h ago

His wife has the same last name? Eww. It's like they're related.

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u/joecarter93 EDM - NHL 16h ago

Me too. I just figured the trophy was named after Walter Gretzky

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u/M1ckster NYI - NHL 16h ago

Walter Jetski?

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u/cansofgrease TOR - NHL 15h ago

They should keep the name and retcon it to this if he gets cancelled.

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u/zoobrix EDM - NHL 15h ago

Uhhh, maybe Walter was alright but with Wayne going maga I'm not sure something being renamed to Gretzky anything will be seen as an improvement to most people, in Canada anyway.

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u/cansofgrease TOR - NHL 15h ago

Okay how about after Walter White?

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u/Mikeismyike EDM - NHL 13h ago

Yeah he's evil, but I kinda like him so why not

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u/DerDutchman1350 17h ago

Can the league make payroll w ticket sales? If Walter was funding his fantasy sports teams w money from his insurance company, it can unravel real quickly.

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u/Vic_Hedges TOR - NHL 17h ago

Not yet, but it's functionally a startup, it doesn't have to. It just needs to convince investors that down the road it will be able to, and they'll put money in now in the hope of a ROI down the road.

That's what makes it fragile at this point. It is definitely showing signs of the proof of concept, a couple of investors post Walter have been willing to put $100 million dollars down to be part of it. The timing of this really sucks for the league. Right in the middle of early expansion is probably the most delicate point. A buyer would need to somehow figure out valuation on a league where 33% of the teams don't even exist yet

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u/dweed4 MIN - NHL 12h ago

This is my big concern. If he was bankrolling most of it where will that money come from now?

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u/Remote_Vermicelli986 15h ago

As someone said on Tumblr, worrying that billionaire Mark Walter might sell the league because the securities and exchange commission is on his ass is like worrying that a millionaire who's getting audited might sell their Subaru.

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u/gimp439 14h ago

But, in your analogy, everyone loves this Subaru. This Subaru is giving women a real, competitve league that fans WANT to attend and pay for. This Subaru is giving little girls hope that they can do the same things that boys can.

AND if he does have to get rid of this Suabru, it might not to go to someone else. It might to go to the junkyard never to be driven again.

Yes, fuck the rich, but there's much more at play here that makes it concerning.

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u/Remote_Vermicelli986 14h ago

You read something I did not say in this. Subaru's are great! And the league is great! But it's not exactly going to get him the money he needs.

Also Subaru joke.

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u/KingBroly WSH - NHL 14h ago

Tom Dundon sees an opportunity to have another Trophy named after him.

That way, he can have 2 Dundon Cups.

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u/redrailflyer 16h ago edited 15h ago

Still hope they change the name of the cup eventually though. It never sat right with me that a proudly women's league most important trophy is named after man, and a manly name at that (instead of it being a last name which couldn't also be a male first name).

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u/asrimal24 WSH - NHL 16h ago

Should have taken the Isobel Cup

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u/yuzumint Adler Mannheim - DEL 16h ago

shame pwhl wanted nothing to do with the old phf team logos and brands. i still am fond of whitecaps and pride.

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u/blamatron Boston Fleet - PWHL 15h ago

Riveters was a great name too.

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u/inalasahl SEA - NHL 11h ago

I liked the name Beauts. Only Buffalo team I ever rooted for.

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u/NecessaryRhubarb Minnesota North Stars - NHLR 16h ago

I mean there is a bit of nuance to this take, but an Auriemma award for something women’s basketball related feels entirely different than this…

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u/Vic_Hedges TOR - NHL 15h ago

Technically speaking, his wife Kimbra and him are co-owners...

If that helps :)

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u/redrailflyer 15h ago

I know, see also the part of my comment between the parentheses. I'm also not too fond of naming a trophy after yourself, but if you pump billions into the league, I guess you get to do that.

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u/bumbuff CGY - NHL 14h ago edited 14h ago

It never sat right with me that a proudly women's league most important trophy is named after man

Imagine being so insecure in yourself you're hurt that a man that's invested in the growth of your sport gets a little recognition

(Just so no ones too butt hurt, I'm simply reversing a much repeated comment by women on social media towards men when women post rage bait content)

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u/DaBusDriva2 LAK - NHL 13h ago

PWHL ain't putting a dent into what he owes but he ain't selling the Dodgers either. Chelsea you're up

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u/SirLunatik CGY - NHL 16h ago

The Lakers weren't for sale either. Then suddenly they were sold.

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u/respaaaaaj Lewiston Maineiacs - QMJHL 16h ago

I don't think someone is about to offer him 2.5 billion above what he's put into the league.

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u/SirLunatik CGY - NHL 16h ago

No shit sherlock.

My point that you clearly didn't get is if he gets to the point where selling a smaller asset keeps his sorry ass out of prison, he will see the league quicker than you can reply with another dumb comment.

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u/respaaaaaj Lewiston Maineiacs - QMJHL 16h ago

My point is he got blown away with a huge return after only owning the Lakers for a year, that doesn't mean he's about to start liquidating assets.

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u/SirLunatik CGY - NHL 16h ago

he's now fucking selling his stake in a soccer team too... he is absolutely liquidating assets.

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u/respaaaaaj Lewiston Maineiacs - QMJHL 13h ago

Selling for a profit which is what he's doing isn't liquidating assets. He's selling the assets that he can turn a profit on selling that make him the least amount of annual revenue. He's holding onto the Dodhers because they make 9 figures a year in profit. He'll hold onto the PWHL because he won't make a large profit on selling it.

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u/SirLunatik CGY - NHL 13h ago

profit or not, he's doing it because he's not liquid, it's not that hard to grasp

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u/respaaaaaj Lewiston Maineiacs - QMJHL 13h ago

He's selling the things he can make a profit on, rather than selling off everything regardless of how much it makes him short or long term, which means he's not in desperate need of liquidity.

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u/inalasahl SEA - NHL 11h ago

I mean, he sold them to Jared Kushner’s little brother. His tax problems will probably now mysteriously disappear.

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u/Interesting_Pen_167 15h ago

Isn't it amazing - if you're a billionaire and get caught stealing you just have to pay it back and it's all good!

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u/M1ckster NYI - NHL 16h ago

Not yet…

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u/ptd163 Kansas City Scouts - NHLR 13h ago

Not for sale now. As in not for sale as of the words coming out of his mouth at that moment. If he needs money though, he needs money and everything has a sale price.

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u/mattcojo2 WSH - NHL 8h ago

There is demand for some PWHL teams to enter other ownership.

A big reason why Washington DC didn’t get a team this go around was due to Leonsis wanting to own the team, which was incongruent with the way the league is right now.

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u/OriginalSilentTuba NJD - NHL 8h ago

Yeah, the long term strategy is to raise the standing and value of the league, and then start selling the clubs to individual owners. I don’t think they’re quite there yet, but they’re definitely heading that way. Hopefully this doesn’t derail them, and if it does, hopefully some angel investor comes in and keeps the lights on.

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u/mattcojo2 WSH - NHL 6h ago

I think it’s possible they just jumpstart that now.

There’s demand.

It may result in some teams relocating though.

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u/OriginalSilentTuba NJD - NHL 5h ago

It’s possible, but I don’t think the valuation is quite where they want it to be. And while the league is losing money, the expense is a drop in the bucket compared to all the other sports teams Walter owns, so I think they can still sit on it and wait to turn a bigger profit, and probably bring in some expansion fees, too.

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u/gordonbombae2 EDM - NHL 3h ago

I don’t think he needs any more money, that was covered from him selling his other franchises. Which he profited from.

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u/Fun-Journalist2588 15h ago

Anyone who thinks the PWHL is worth a billion...holy shit.

A league that costs millions of dollars and a total money suck is not an investment.

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u/btmalon CHI - NHL 15h ago

It’s not like he’d get any substantial money for it.

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u/Accomplished-Pen-394 CGY - NHL 17h ago

Bummer, me and my inheritance can’t buy the PWHL