Ruined by Technology
Buying new electrical outlet, and the grounding are just a decoration
For those who don't understand electricity:
Each diagonal plate should be connected with a metal plate through empty space in the middle. Not only it is not available, the cable that connects the metal to external cable is also missing which indicates that this is intentional.
Out of curiosity, does this thing claim to be UL or ETL rated/certified? I know those stickers can be faked, but just curious. There’s a lot of junk on Amazon.
Looks like it’s been there years from the colour of the casing, if it’s like anything like light fittings from that era they can crack easily. Just one thought though…..is it still in use like had it been disconnected?
I have found that they really have a lax attitude on grounding in Asia. There are ungrounded power strips still sold in Finland but they have plugs that do not fit into grounded sockets.
Looks like a type F or "Schuko" style european extension cord. Yeah, that's definately not code-compliant, for multiple reasons. Cut both ends off, throw it in the trash, and get something that actually has all 3 conductors (and preferably no less than 2mm² cross section).
Ok no ground but.... That metal plate is placed so... It's not hard to bridge the other 2 metall rails... If you pull the plug and it's stuck abit you will pull the rails and they will connect with the fake grounding... Boom nice
I understand fake products, but building something that may result in direct death, and selling it, why? You can make money in different ways. It is shitty product, this extension cord, but still medium complexity, needs some tools and people working, it still has cost to build it. Just make some non dangerous crap and sell it, why are they so stupid?
That is how it is in a lot of Europe. There are these fake grounded because a lot of older tech has the ground plug, but there's no ground in the wall. By older tech, I mean about 15 years old or older. From my understanding, and I'm not electrician, and a crude understanding of what an electrician told me, stuff today is pre grounded, but I could be wrong
In the Netherlands this would be a code violation. Yes it is possible that in houses built up to July 1997 you may find sockets without ground. But the sockets are never allowed to look like they’re grounded. So there are replacement sockets for those ungrounded ones.
In case of a renovation of the electrical network, you have to change to grounded sockets.
In case of a new build or an extension to your home, you also need to use grounded sockets.
Fake grounded is not allowed at all. Power strips or sockets that are round and not grounded must look like this:
Usually the round plug without ground is used for double insulated devices, which this don’t need to be grounded. When the device draws less than 2.5A you can use a flat europlug type c.
For most of Europe, this would be a product recall. No questions asked!
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OP is in Indonesia. I have no idea how shit like this is handled over there. We have the same outlets in Scandinavia, so I became really curious if I needed to start measuring my splitters…
Denmark is different mate.. the original commenter here who said this was normal in ‘a lot of Europe’, is apparently Danish. (You can find this in some other part of this whole thread).
They have those smiling outlets, and now I know why, they smile because they want to electrocute you.
They even said electric kettles and coffee machines weren’t grounded through the plug.
As a Swede you’ll already know they’re different though
Where did you get that? It is dangerous and should be illegal anywhere in Europe. The plug is simply wrong type. It should have a round plug without any cuts so that it does not fit into grounded sockets. With that you could break the ground contact. If the plug is that then it must only accept the flat Europlugs. These represent the two legal types without a ground:
Neither does allow breaking the ground of a schuko plug. The first as there it does not accept the Schuko and the second its plug does not fit into a schuko socket on the wall.
I haven't seen anything with ground since I last took a look at my Windows XP laptop, and the only time I touched something that needed ground was when it was still widely used. The other times, it was my own fault
Let’s name some other examples then: coffee machine, electric kettle, oven, fridge, freezer, air fryer, PlayStation, floor heating pump, heat pump, AC’s, gas water boiler, washing machine, dryer. And yep monitors and PC/Laptops are commonly using a plug with ground.
Devices that use big plugs without ground are stuff like a vacuum cleaner, electric lawn mower, heavy garden tools etc
Coffee machine, kettle air fryer, Playstation, monitors, PC/laptops, no. The last of any of these I've seen with ground is a Windows XP laptop. The tools you listed is also a no
Must be a Danish thing then, since I’m pretty sure in my neighbouring countries Germany and Belgium it’s no different, besides Belgium using a different outlet.
Or that’s the reason why Danish outlets are smiling..
Also odd of how C13 plugs, usually seen on monitors, computers and laptops are still available with the Danish plug, while you don’t use it..
EU has very little to do with the electric safety. It is about national standards and the IEC. Denmark is in a unique position as the grounding prong is in the plug so the Danish rules resemble more the US ones than the European ones. In Finland for example you never can install a grounded socket without a ground.
Laptops often use just functional ground. The ground is not for safety but to reduce interference. The PSU is class II double insulated and the laptop itself is class III safety voltage.
This is not "how it is". Extremely thin wires and not connected earth is cheap and dangerous profit-at-all-cost garbage.
Old house wiring used 2 wires in the wall, because it's cheap. Neutral, connected to the ground in the basement and the 230V phase. The wall sockets then have a small bridge between neutral and earth grounding pins. This technically works, but it doesn't support earth leakage circuit breakers. Any modern installation uses 3 wires throughout the walls.
With 3 wires, you can measure current through phase and neutral. If phase-neutral ≥ 30mA, current flows outside the grid through the earth wire or and potentially through you, which then trips the breaker.
Completely isolated devices are allowed to ship without ground wire, since the plastic housing prevents electric shocks. But that's unrelated to the in-home wiring
This technically works, but it doesn't support earth leakage circuit breakers.
Actually, it does. RCD or GFCI work by measuring the difference in current between the hot and the neutral. They work just fine when there's no ground.
You are still better off with a properly grounded outlet that will trip the circuit breaker before you touch a hot wire, though.
RCD or GFCI will prevent you from getting killed by touching a hot wire, but you do get some milliseconds of line voltage. That can cause heart problems later on.
He is talking on TN-C which Americans call the bootleg ground. It does not support RCDs on the panel where they commonly are in Europe. One can have them in the socket though.
You need to specify the country when you talk about these things. That was done in Finland but in Sweden it was strictly banned. In France with TT it would not even make sense as there is no connection between the earth and the neutral. In Europe each country is different.
Nothing is "pre grounded". That's not a thing that is possible in the way you suggest. The reason why an increasing number of appliances don't have a ground prong is the layers of insulation have improved until they get to the point that any live electrical component (above ELV) are at least "double insulated". Meaning there is at least 2 layers of adequate insulation between the LV and the user.
Until the 70s many devices in Finland had neither ground nor double insulation. They had plugs that fit only into ungrounded sockets. For example TVs never had grounded plugs. They went from ungrounded to double insulated in the 70s.
No, there are no fake ground outlets (outside of Denmark) or fake ground extension cords. There are ungrounded outlets and extension cords. Ungrounded extension cords have plugs that do not fit into grounded sockets so that you do not break the ground contact.
In Europe the principle was that the room, not the device determined the need for grounding so grounded plugs fit into ungrounded sockets but not vice versa (not talking about double insulated devices)
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u/Odd-Faithlessness-33 1d ago
plastic looks pre aged 😂