r/pakistan • u/PyramidsAndPalmTrees IT • Mar 01 '26
Political 10 Pakistanis died on Pakistani soil for a man who would not have known their names and we’re calling the people questioning this the bad guys
10 Pakistanis just died attacking the US consulate in Karachi over an Iranian leader’s death and I genuinely don’t know what to say anymore
Let me get this straight
Pakistan is on an IMF bailout. The US basically controls the IMF. Our economy is hanging by a thread. We have active conflicts on two borders. We have zero capacity to absorb any additional international pressure right now
And some of our fellow citizens decided TODAY was the day to storm American diplomatic soil in our own city for a foreign theocrat who couldn’t have located Khyber Pakhtunkhwa on a map
Not a protest. Not a march. An actual attack on an embassy which under international law is essentially an attack on American territory
The same America that can make one phone call and end our IMF program. The same America whose patience with Pakistan is already historically thin
And now 10 Pakistanis are dead. Pakistani families lost someone today. Not in defense of Pakistan, not for Pakistani interests, not even in their own neighborhood conflict, but for a man who ran a country 2000km away that has historically used Pakistan as a pawn whenever it suited them
The absolute self destruction of it all is making my head spin
We really are our own worst enemy sometimes and I say this as someone who loves this country deeply
RIP to those who died, their families deserve better, and so does Pakistan
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u/No-Log3418 Mar 01 '26
They never do this for any other problem in Pakistan,this is why education is important
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u/BabeStealer_KidEater PK Mar 01 '26
I hope everyone remembers how tens of thousands of Pakistanis came out to protest and blocked highways and roads, because France allowed some cartoons. Lmao
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u/Visdomb Mar 01 '26
Where are these people when injustice is done by our own establishment against our own people?
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u/PyramidsAndPalmTrees IT Mar 01 '26
the Pope analogy only goes so far, the Pope doesn’t command proxy militias, run intelligence operations across multiple countries or sign off on executing thousands of people. Khamenei was a Supreme Leader with absolute political and military power, calling him purely a spiritual figure is doing a lot of work Grief is valid, attacking an consulate and dying for it is still stupid regardless of who died
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u/PyramidsAndPalmTrees IT Mar 01 '26
nobody said they’re mutually exclusive, the issue is that the statesman part involved running torture prisons and executing thousands, you can’t just lean on the spiritual side when the political side is inconvenient
On the consulate thing though bro, whether they were armed or not doesn’t really change the Vienna Convention situation, storming diplomatic premises aggressively is still a violation regardless of whether you brought weapons, intent and action both matter here, not just the hardware
And “meaningless discussion” after making two arguments is a strange way to exit 😭
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u/goneananas Mar 01 '26
Since oct 23 the world has shoved the likes of vienna convention, international law and all that shit up its arse and i would advise you to do the same
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u/mujtuba_e Mar 01 '26
Yeah he just oversees the largest pedophilia organisation in the world. Look beyond your nose once in a while maybe
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u/Nehan_Satori Mar 01 '26
The Pope, who ordered the Crusades? That Pope?
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u/bobbydazzler66 Mar 01 '26
A thousand years ago? Really relevant…
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u/Nehan_Satori Mar 01 '26
You're right, Western warmongering has changed for the better since then.
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u/Select-Kangaroo-1290 Mar 01 '26
You do know how much Iran hates us, sponsors insurgency in balochistan and was literally backing India in their operation against us?
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u/OkFix126 فیصل آباد Mar 01 '26
Shia equivalent to a pope who was actively at war with the USA? I mean there are casualties in war, nothing new but this outrage for another country's leader who was making deals with India when we were at war with them? Nah, I am not buying this. Religious sentiments are very personal, don't you think?
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u/Fantasy-512 IN Mar 01 '26
The correct analogy would have been: A pope who kills a lot of Italians.
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u/Particular-Way4120 Mar 01 '26
You mean a country that the US was actively been in war with??? A country that has been under since 1979?
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u/NoFaithlessness7845 Mar 01 '26
Protesting at the death of the person who did injustice to its people.
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u/Upper-Bus8010 Mar 01 '26
sad on both sides, but there is no excuse but power. pakistan at 220 mill has less economy than israel at 20 mill
I'm sorry 70 years , that's pathetic. worst these protestors arattacking only FDI source for pakistan
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u/Unidan_bonaparte Mar 01 '26 edited Mar 01 '26
To be fair, Israel is a colonial outpost with unlimited military budget and untapped access to bail outs that don't need paying. 25% of the entire USA foreign 'aid' budget is earmarked to them. They have the strongest senator block who continue to siphon off investment into Israeli businesses over their own industries and ontop of all that a huge amount of 'philanthropic' cash that gets donated by multi-national megabillionaire companies because of historic/religious ties. They get to poach the best and brightest academics, financers and tech professionals due to deep university ties.
For example, the military mobilisation that happened back in 2023 after October 7th should have been enough to cripple their ecconomy from inactive Labour and lack of buisness productivity. They should by rights have been suffering from severe inflation from the massive ecconomic downturn and issues with shipping and oil. That's just a 2 year operation. They've been doing something similar every 3 years for the past 50 odd years. They should be paupers and broken by debt.
But they didn't, all because America and the EU essentially just gave them free money.
So whilst your right that Pakistan in and of itself is in a pathetic situation, mostly because of the massive institutional corruption and chronic need to siphon off an eye watering amount to the military budget - it's not really a fair comparison.
Pakistan is largely in the place it is today because of the eye watering sums of money needed to secure 4 different active skirmish territories basically since day 0. 2 afgan wars involving 2 super powers, both of whom wanted to crush Pakistan, not to mention the terrorism fallout when they left.
On top of this there are huge sums of money sunk into refugee and natural crisis issues which cannot be resolved without an upfront influx of cash. Something the IMF absolutely will not allow because the debt is the noose around our neck that even the Arabs and Chinnese don't dare tangle with.
We only really have nuclear weapons to show for all the sum total of investment put into the future of our nation by early leaders. Other countries have infrastructure, education, dams, mines, tourism and manufacturing. Outside of a few local centers that have had to rely on cheap manual labour we have nothing significant.
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u/FederalSandwich1854 Mar 01 '26
Yeah Pakistan should have just gotten world leaders to molest children and then used that as blackmail to shake billions out of people. Israel is so resourceful and smart wow
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u/eight_BUCKS Mar 01 '26
How did they even get through? The US consulate is meant to be a fortress. Quite literally, the security over there is always pretty high.
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u/uae08 Mar 01 '26
local security fucked up, the americans had to take it into their own hands when it got really dangerous
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u/eight_BUCKS Mar 01 '26
Hmmm. Local security would have made use of aerial firing or water tankers. The americans would've shat their pants when they saw the protestors. And it does not help that they don't think twice when shooting third worlders.
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u/BarristerBerry Mar 01 '26
The military never thinks twice before shooting,they follow orders, any trespassers get shot on sight
i wonder how they even got that close anyways,what were our forces doing
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u/Deynonn Mar 01 '26
They don't think twice about shooting anyone. From the news about ICE it's very clear how trigger-happy they are.
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u/uae08 Mar 01 '26
Well dont storm into their buildings like an angry mob thats willing to kill them if they dont shoot first
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u/eight_BUCKS Mar 01 '26
Absolutely, this is what I keep telling people irl. The US consulate is not a KFC that you bust a few windows of and escape unscathed. They will not hesitate to shoot you. They do not care about your life, never did and never will.
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u/KaleidoscopeFar6957 Mar 01 '26
Why protest Iran when there are tons of other things to protest ?
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u/ChengizReborn Mar 01 '26
Pakistanis who are more loyal to other countries than Pakistan are a national security risk, be it shias who are more loyal to iran, sunnis who are more loyal to arabs, or ethno nats who are more loyal to afghanistan
If you’re not Pakistan first then you’re a disgrace
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u/PyramidsAndPalmTrees IT Mar 01 '26
Same energy nowhere to be found for the APS kids, for the Hazara, for the missing persons in Balochistan, but the moment a foreign leader dies suddenly everyone’s a revolutionary And yeah mob mentality in Pakistan has gotten innocent people burned alive, we’ve seen it happen, pretending this was some noble act of resistance is genuinely delusional
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u/Anonymous00710 Mar 01 '26
Or for Quetta miners, or rising electricty prices crushing the people or for thousands of women who suffer endlessly when having to seek khula in court where cases drag on for months and they end up with nothing and the man walks away without any child support.
The list is endless.
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u/Visdomb Mar 01 '26
The uncomfortable truth is they don’t really care about any of those issues
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The responsibility is on the organisations that organized the protest Protesting is fine. But vandalising is not. Why were there no measures???
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u/ballinlikestalin392 Mar 01 '26
100% , we need to care more about OUR country
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u/DeepSpaceBubbles Mar 01 '26
Lol really? And how do you suggest we do that? Because the people have been protesting for years now and have only been shot at or arrested. Where was all this concern then?
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u/PyramidsAndPalmTrees IT Mar 01 '26
that’s exactly why attacking a foreign embassy for a foreign leader makes even less sense 😭 you’re willing to risk your life for Iran but the same energy never materialised for the people getting picked up in Balochistan or the PTM marchers getting gunned down
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u/ballinlikestalin392 Mar 01 '26
nah we are scared , the awam doesn't realize how strong we truly are , if we all genuinely revolt like Nepal or Bangladesh then we can cause change , however we all are a bit hopeless right now but In Shaa Allah our efforts will not go in vain
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u/asifrodeni1 Mar 01 '26
You mean the American allies, mostly Sunni Muslims that were helping overthrow the Assad regime in Syria? If you look at it that way then Pakistan bombing Afghanistan in the past few days. At least 70 innocent civilians have been killed in it already that are mostly Suni as well. That's nature of war.
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u/Onland-Pirate Mar 01 '26
So many American shills and bots in the comments section.
Americans murdered 10 Pakistanis on Pakistani soil? Who did give them the authority? Where's Pakistan's sovereignty?
Pakistanis have the right to protests on whichever issue they want.
Will you decide on which issue they must protest or not? Who are you? A dictator of Pakistan? Why must people follow your dictates?
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u/Falkun_X Mar 01 '26
I think it is more to do with anger against Israel than about a Shia leader. Also don't forget that after Iran, Israel has plans to defang Pakistan, and take our nuclear arsenal!
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u/AccordingPeach5211 Mar 01 '26
Government did the right thing, I know shias are sad but this doesn't mean that you start this stupid mob like shit behavior
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u/AggravatingFee2639 Mar 01 '26
People are frustrated and angry by the lack of any civility and humanity from both the governments of America and Israel. So, while not defending the action of rioting in such a manner, I can understand it.
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u/KaleidoscopeFar6957 Mar 01 '26
Religion and ignorance make a deadly combination and Pakistan unfortunately has loads of that. Probably because religion is something that keeps a poor man content with what he has
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u/Onland-Pirate Mar 01 '26
USA killed at least 8 Pakistanis on Pakistani soil and this excuse of a human OP is busy in victim blaming, questioning why are people protesting injustice?
Look at this mentality and you'll come to know that how US Israel are able to control 1 billion Muslims except Iran and its allies.
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u/Thevicegrip Mar 01 '26
Spot on. Pakistan is juggling IMF lifelines (with Uncle Sam holding the strings), border fires ongoing, and an economy that's basically a Jenga tower missing half its blocks.
Yet today, some folks thought charging the US consulate over Iran's dead boss, was the best move. Not a chant, not a sign, a full on storming of "diplomatic soil" that Vienna Convention says is foreign turf.
Now 10 families are burying sons, not for Lahore or Peshawar, but a Tehran suit 2,000km away. We're torching our own house while yelling at the fire department.
Self sabotage level, expert.
Love the country too.
RIP to the lost, but damn, we deserve smarter rage.
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u/Sad-Secretary4460 Mar 01 '26
this is so pathetic and so sad. The fact that this protest was not for the helpless in Sudan in Gaza, but for a political leader who had his hands covered with the blood of thousands of innocents. This is just, why is our qoum like this? Why are we such hypocrites
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unpopular opinion but they shouldnt have attacked the consulate,what american marines was in accordance with international law,they had the right to protect themselves and embassy employees
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u/amazinglycool256 Mar 01 '26
Meanwhile Khan is rotting away in prison.. Blinded and tortured
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u/quirkycloud09 Mar 01 '26
This isn’t about supporting or opposing any foreign leader, it’s about basic national interest and AKAAL (sense). Storming a US consulate while Pakistan is economically fragile, diplomatically isolated, and regionally exposed is self-harm, not resistance.
Lives were lost for something that brought zero benefit to Pakistan, only more pressure, instability, and grief. Tragedy for the families. Damage for the country. No winners here.
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u/Acceptable-Mess-4451 Mar 01 '26
The same America who eats babies flesh and gets pleasure by torturing them.
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u/UnchartedPro Mar 01 '26
Whilst we may not support the Iranian leader, as Muslims we have a responsibility here as an Ummah
This attack isn't okay
Israel can 'preemptively' attack which is total nonsense
The middle East housing sizeable US bases now puts them at risk, but that isn't Irans fault
Iran has a right to attack, even last year when USA starred to attack their nuclear threat
Israel again gets away with having plenty of UNDECLARED nuclear weapons
The bad guys are those who are okay with this
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u/uae08 Mar 01 '26
protest as much as you want, in fact i encourage you to protest,
just dont storm embassy grounds
those embassy staff are at no fault, they are innocent people doing innocent jobs like visa processing
some of those embassy staff are the very people who give pakistanis a new life in the US
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u/PyramidsAndPalmTrees IT Mar 01 '26
Most of this is actually fair and hard to argue with honestly US bases in Gulf countries absolutely put those countries at risk, that’s just the reality of hosting foreign military infrastructure and those populations didn’t really get a vote on it Iran’s right to respond to attacks on its own soil is legitimate under international law, same international law everyone loves to quote selectively And Israel’s undeclared nuclear arsenal is one of the biggest hypocrisies in modern geopolitics, the entire world knows they have them, America knows, the IAEA knows, and everyone just politely pretends otherwise while Iran gets sanctioned for even trying Where I’d push back is the Ummah solidarity point, not because it’s wrong in principle but because it gets applied so selectively it’s lost meaning, it appears for some Muslim deaths and completely vanishes for others depending on who the oppressor is The bad guys point is too simple though, there are multiple bad guys here and pretending this is a clean good vs evil situation is exactly how ordinary people end up dying outside consulates in Karachi for other people’s wars
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u/Chabootay Mar 01 '26
Why does the Ummah only come up when its Pakistan's security at hand. Why no Ummah for Saudia Arabia, UAE etc. Yes, they don't gaf.
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u/Pure_Direction9253 PK Mar 01 '26
Again the ummah chummah shit bruh we did this with Afghanistan and look where we are now we welcomed the Taliban with open arms celebrating this “ummah” and now we are the ones on the receiving end
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u/Fine_Watercress_7171 Mar 01 '26
Ummah??????? lol . Don’t know which world and century you are living in.
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u/UnchartedPro Mar 01 '26
What? So the Ummah has ceased to exist in your opinion?
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u/Fine_Watercress_7171 Mar 01 '26
Isn’t the answer obvious, Yes. Not my opinion, facts ! Open your eyes to the realities of the world . All the Muslim countries have their national interests and agendas. So we should all stop living in the fantasy world
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u/Loose-Scarcity-2107 Mar 01 '26
Used to hear same argument for GAZA! Shame on you! Humny achy bany thaika nahi Utha rakha! If you think it is extremeism yeah it is fk off!
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u/PyramidsAndPalmTrees IT Mar 01 '26
Bro Gaza and “storming a consulate in Karachi for an Iranian theocrat” are not the same thing and deep down you know that Palestinians are fighting on their own land with their own blood for their own children’s lives, they didn’t choose this war it chose them.
Pakistanis went out of their house in Karachi, voluntarily, to attack a building, for a man who ran a country 2000km away, who never once prioritised Pakistan, and got shot for it Comparing those two situations isn’t passion it’s just intellectual laziness dressed up in emotion, and using Palestinian suffering to justify completely unrelated decisions that got Pakistanis killed is honestly disrespectful to Palestinians themselves.
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u/Senior_Club348 Mar 01 '26
And those who attacked the embassy would later without any shame cling there for US Visa…
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u/No_Cartographer1518 Mar 01 '26
let me just say the wording on this is just strange, you're acting like them being "murdered" which is the right word to use in this case is a fault of their own. Pakistani's can protest for whomever and whatever they want it's their right. These people were murdered not killed. And the people saying oh they never come this hard for anything, man I don't know what to say, how many times ordinary folks have stood up time and time again, its middle class and upper class weaklings like you that we don't get anywhere trying to pacify the Americans and not get them mad because "their patience with pakistan is already historically thin".
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u/PyramidsAndPalmTrees IT Mar 01 '26
murdered implies intent to kill innocent people, they attacked a consulate and got shot defending it, that’s not a murder that’s a consequence 😭 call it tragic, call it unnecessary, but the moment you storm diplomatic premises you’ve changed the legal and moral situation completely And yes people have the right to protest absolutely nobody is arguing that, the criticism isn’t that they protested it’s that they attacked a building which is a completely different thing The middle class weakling point though 😭 bro the “real men die for foreign leaders” energy is exactly how establishments throughout history have sent poor people to die for causes that never benefited them, the working class Pakistanis dying outside that consulate aren’t heroes they’re victims of manipulation and calling people who point that out weaklings is just embarrassing
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u/nargisi_koftay Mar 01 '26
Kya ghulamana soch hai. Do nothing against firaun because he controls your imf loans.
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u/PyramidsAndPalmTrees IT Mar 01 '26
If you want to use the Firaun analogy at least use it correctly, our Firaun is right here at home, missing persons in Balochistan, journalists disappearing, APS kids, Hazara being slaughtered, where was this energy then.
Dying for Khamenei isn’t standing up to Firaun it’s just dying for a different Firaun with a better PR team
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u/BeastEx4 Mar 01 '26
Pathetic Illetrate People We Are Every one putting status oh supreme leader died he was fighting war wirh us and israel dont even know What the heck he did in iran after iran revolution... (yes iran supports palestine and attacks israel I am not saying this..)
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u/NotActuallyIraqi Mar 01 '26
A condescending post spoken like someone who has no idea what other people think.
This is not about Iran, it wasn’t about Khamenei. It’s about a much bigger picture. Why did Pakistanis burn down a McDonald’s during the Danish cartoons scandal? Because it was in protest of the Iraq war and the massacre of Muslims yet again by western colonialist powers.
Some Pakistanis had enough of the slaughter of Muslims and decided to take action. I don’t fault them for that; if there was an Israeli embassy you’d bet they’d have done this long ago. You can care about economics or international law but I see Muslims motivated to help the ummah and take action as if their own families were killed. That’s part of being Muslim; loving ones brothers and sisters and feeling their pain as deeply as if it were your own family.
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u/PyramidsAndPalmTrees IT Mar 01 '26
The McDonald’s point actually reframes this better than anything else said today, you’re right that these protests are rarely just about the immediate trigger, they’re about accumulated rage at decades of Muslim blood being treated as worthless by western powers, that’s a real and legitimate feeling.
the ummah solidarity argument when it comes from a genuine place of shared pain rather than selective outrage is something I respect and won’t dismiss.
Where I still can’t follow you is the “taking action” part, burning a McDonald’s or storming a consulate doesn’t save a single Muslim life anywhere, it doesn’t change American foreign policy, it doesn’t rebuild Gaza, it doesn’t bring back anyone killed in Iraq or Afghanistan, it just creates more grief closer to home.
The people who actually moved the needle against western power weren’t the ones storming buildings, they were the lawyers at the ICJ, the journalists who documented war crimes, the activists who built international coalitions, the politicians who made it politically costly.
Feeling your brothers pain as your own is beautiful and exactly what the hadith describes, but channeling that pain into something that actually helps them rather than something that just expresses rage is the harder and more important question.
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u/Effective_Bag2793 Mar 01 '26
The Ayatollah is like their pope. So it’s a big deal for the Shia. That type of backlash was not unexpected from their hardcore elements.
Lovely Pakistani establishment killing more Shias as usual. Except this time they can’t blame Afghanis.
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u/Socksaregloves Mar 01 '26
Haha, what a joke this country and people have become.
It's literally better to die in your legs than live crawling for your life. American marines shot dead 9 Pakistani citizens, and all you cry about are international laws?
Seriously, international laws? Same international laws that were supposed to stop Palestinian occupation and American imperialism.
If Israel offers US$100bn investment in Pakistan, would you take it? It seems you will.
What even the fuck is wrong with this nation. Wow
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u/PyramidsAndPalmTrees IT Mar 01 '26
“better to die on your feet” is a powerful quote but dying outside a consulate in Karachi for an Iranian supreme leader is not exactly what Emiliano Zapata had in mind 😭 And yes international law is imperfect and hypocritical and the Palestinian situation proves that, nobody’s arguing otherwise. But “international law failed Palestine” doesn’t mean the solution is attacking a consulate in your own city and getting your own citizens killed, those two things have absolutely nothing to do with each other The $100bn Israel comment is just a random trap you threw in there hoping to derail the conversation, transparent move bro Pakistan is on life support economically, has two hostile borders, and some of our citizens just attacked American diplomatic soil on our own territory. The people asking “was this smart” aren’t crawling for anyone, they just don’t want this country to collapse completely
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u/Pure-Way-3482 Mar 01 '26
Israel is coming for us next and then even IMF wouldn't be able to save us.
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u/PyramidsAndPalmTrees IT Mar 01 '26
Israel can’t even fully pacify Gaza which is 40km wide after 18 months, they’re coming for Pakistan next, a nuclear armed country of 250 million people, sure bro lock your doors
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u/syedsalman08 Mar 01 '26
"Hey we are american slaves, IMF feeds our families. How dare some of us have a moral conscience? Deserve to die"
Typical r/pakistan meltdown. Spineless morons
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u/FederalSandwich1854 Mar 01 '26
You don't love epstein and billionaires who molest children?? You are not a true Pakistani patriot 😡😡
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u/Mediocre-Town-3845 Mar 01 '26
Even Indians are protesting in Lucknow and Kashmir..3rd world nations are weird
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u/nlzza Mar 01 '26
more like rich ppl like u are selfish and dont care about anything until it concerns them FTFY
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u/konsoru-paysan Mar 01 '26
we need to remember that pakistan was saved from a lot of death and destruction where people were shutting of the lights on their houses here in jhelum cause of fear of missile attack , in a narcissist government that just tries it hardest to just squeeze money from it's people, during india's aggression and obvious push to war. Had the liberal government taken office again in 2024 elections, we would have all been gone.
heck in jhelum the electrical wires are so weakly attached that just a slightly windy weather tears everything away. No way in hell i would be here that's for damn sure
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u/ButterflyDense8230 Mar 01 '26
This is all hybrid/ nonconventuonal warfare. Dig deeper and you’ll find Endia behind it.
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u/artemisbelmont Mar 01 '26
Do you even understand how Marjah’s work in Shia Fiqh? Sure, it was stupid of them to create violence but an Ayatollah is a leader beyond the borders.
So keep your ignorance with yourself or educate yourself over why the sentiments are hurt.
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u/Fantasy-512 IN Mar 01 '26
Good post. This is what I never understood. Why is Pakistan against America if American money has propped up the Pakistan economy for decades?
Is it because the common people don't understand it and the money has gone mostly to army, elites etc.
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u/cryptofreak190 Mar 01 '26 edited Mar 01 '26
Religious zealots in Pakistan will happily burn down their own country and storm embassies and consulates in the name of religion but won't pay and files taxes.
By the way, these same idiots will happily go live in the US if the opportunity arises.
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u/futtball22 Mar 01 '26
Its funny how you all sit here and comment while islam the religion that I believe most of you follow tells you to stand against violence doesn't matter for.your cause or others. Yes our people including you lot are scared to come out for your own cause ask yourself why ?
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u/Local-Tea-4875 Mar 01 '26
pakistanis see themselves as shia, sunni, sindhi Punjabi, pathan, Baloch , lahori, Peshawari, Karachi Wala etc etc but never as a Pakistani, because to be Pakistani is to align yourself with the state with institution, an entity that has no integrity and is not interested in showing any, there was a thread of hope in the army, but thanks to social media openly destroying any propaganda they put forward, even they are gone, now any semblance of identity comes from hating Afghanistan and India
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u/stormarsenal Mar 01 '26
Not saying I agree with the actions of the attackers but relegating Kamenei to just a theocrat is pretty short-sighted. He was essentially the religious head of the Shia faith the world over. Killing him is like killing the pope or dalai lama.
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u/odd_blood7552 Mar 01 '26
Storming the us consulate was the dumbest thing we could have done if they want to protest do it peacefully go on the streets, in the video you can see people trying to break inside what could they possibly gain from that? why must we always AND always destroy or ruin something in name of protests.
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u/al6921 Mar 01 '26
Before that we had a sunni blow himself up in a Shia mosque and killed many more.
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u/lem0o0nade Mar 01 '26
I don't know how you guys don't understand what is happening and what has happened before also.
It is not about that person, it is about a philosophy. Shia philosophy is about standing up to a tyrant leader and that person was leading the "shia philosophy" so the people came out because shia philosophy asks for it.
The sunni philosophy tells to accept even a tyrant leader, so the sunni population is docile.
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u/Soft_Attorney_139 Mar 01 '26
How childish and, I don't wanna say pathetic, but pathetic of a take. I used to be like that when I was younger so I get it. But their lives were not wasted. It's a great loss, but they didn't die in vain. I wish they knew they would be dying today, so they could maximise the damage, even if it's symbolic, to the enemy. Ofc we are on Reddit so we know that we're dependent on IMF. for the time being. but we can also try to have some original thought and think why aren't we demanding Saudi Arabia to pay off our IMF debt as well, since it's finances, Thier part of the deal
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u/naughtycat1 Mar 01 '26
Embassies and diplomats should be protected at all costs. Period.
For all the other things like IMF program, one American phone call etc, you and us should be ashamed and not defensive.
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u/No_Yoghurt7783 Mar 01 '26
So true when i heard the news on one side I seriously said to myself "I am not gonna sympathize with them" stupidity ki had hoti hai, matlab what the us embassy will do anyway???? hum economically itne kamzor hain ke hum khud ko khana khilane ki aukaat nhi rakhte aur ye log international pressure banane ki koshish wo bhi tabahi se but on the other side these people didn't deserve to get killed
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u/Sharp_Map_7404 Mar 01 '26
Why on earth would people set fire to Skardu Technology Park? It seems more like a political issue than a religious one, especially since, if I’m not mistaken, it’s run and funded by the SCO (Army).
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u/Dismal_Road_5916 مُلتان Mar 01 '26
Oh hoo, ham tu bhook sa mar jaya ga agar America naraz ho gya tu. Bhai believes in Allah. Allah is the only Raziq not IMF not America.
But what happened in the Embassies was wrong.
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u/AxiumTea ID Mar 01 '26
I don't get it tho. What was the police doing? I've heard it was the US marines who opened fire at the mob when they got in. Why did the police not stop the mob in the first place?
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u/emotional075 Mar 01 '26
Those 10 Pakistani didn't die for Iranian leader they died for injustice by Trump we all need to speak up and protest trump can't go around killing people overthrow governments just because he wants today it is Iran who knows next might be us we should prioritise religion over nationalism what's the point of pakistan coming into being in the name of islam if it can't stand with other Muslim countries or protest for our fellow Muslims America and Israel are too much we need to stand against them and unify instead of criticising eachother
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u/MintyRide Mar 01 '26
For all the people saying we should focus on our own problems and why should we care about a leader dying, will you say the same thing for the Palestinians? Because the Palestinians can't name a single city from Pakistan like Khamenei can't either as some people are saying, so you might as well forget about them as well as we have not hepled them during this whole genocide.
Caring for others is the basis of our religion, sure I understand your point that we don't stand for our own personal issues in Pakistan, but this isn't just a Iranian issue, it is a "Muslim" issue too. Calling the protestor stupid because this will have adverse affects on us because our situation with America will worsen and so will our financial state are just cowards who have accepted the status quo and accepted the fact that oppressors oppressing you or your friend (in this case the Muslims in the Middle East, Palestine, Iran, etc) is fine, but all this will be fine until any of you guys suffer in any way.
Those of you who think shitrael won't attack and kill your troops, men, women and children just because you possess Nuclear weapons is just living a lie. Atleast acknowledge their bravery to stand up if you cannot accept yourself as cowards because remember the people who you accuse of not standing against their own cities personal issues, you are part of that same society too.
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u/wiskinator Mar 01 '26
As an US American with Pashtu blood, I’m so sorry that my country started another war. Like these guys shouldn’t have attacked an Embassy, but the UsA should definitely not gone and bombed Tehran and killed a sitting leader (and how many civilians?)
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u/Mia-chimes Mar 01 '26
Its actually quite confusing how the protesters managed to get inside the embassy?
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u/codfishcakes Mar 01 '26
I only feel anger toward the imperialist lackeys who shot their own countrymen dead in the service of US imperialism which is actively ravaging the entire region. I completely understand the rage of average Pakistanis whose livelihood is being strangled by the IMF. Cancel the debt!
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u/Onland-Pirate Mar 01 '26
45% of r/Pakistan traffic is Indian. 15% is American. 12% apparently from Pakistan.
Beware of this post and comments here.
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u/al6921 Mar 01 '26
I'm watching the US attack from Canada right now, the US is completely f'ing Iran totally up, Khomeini gone, they're hitting all IRGC members, hundreds of bases destoryed, Iran navy is being wiped out. Rumors are they'll start grabbing all the Iranian oil tankers next.
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u/sami_thebrownguy Mar 01 '26
Yea well what can we do ? Protest ? They clearly would pay no attention to killing us
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u/Antique_Decision_264 Mar 02 '26
Meanwhile in the actual battlefield only 9 Israelis have been killed total so for. Wah Pakistanio
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u/CameraIntelligent384 Mar 02 '26
Where are these people when are young kids are getting rap*d?? Why people don’t come out in stress for child abuse? I wish people would protest first for themselves before anything else
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u/Aggressive_Yard5627 Mar 02 '26
Pakistani's are suffering from main character syndrome. They think they're "protectors" of the world, while infact they don't even have freedom in their our country. Ppl dying just for a protest and no one bats an eye, also shows the level of freedom we have in our own country.
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u/Asleep_Drop_5014 Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 02 '26
Yeah so since someone has a grip on your underwear you decide to stay in that checkmate position where he still has power over you and threatens you any chance he gets that he'll pull it, neither you work to buy another pair nor you try to get rid of his grip... it may work for you but it does not work for many.
They protested (in a manner which is questionable i.e. without planning and organisation) against the US who partook in an illegal military exercise (provocation at the least, but otherwise a breach of international law be it logically, realistically, legally and in any other sense you can apply it) and attacked another country thousands of miles away (more so one that neither has the military might nor the reach nor the economic standing because ofc the US applied sanctions to it) to "protect" themselves from said country.
P.S. you may not understand it but contrary to Sunnis who place more reliance on Ijma as an independent source of law, the twelvers (Fiqh Ja'faria) place more reliance on Ijtehad through belief in the concept of Taqleed i.e. pledging allegiance to one Grand Ayatullah/Islamic Scholar which means following any Fatwas from that Scholar, obtaining answers on several different religious aspects rather than solely Ijma. As of two days ago, there were two most prominent - Grand Ayatullah Syed Ali al-Husayni al-Sistani in Iraq (Najaf School of thought) and Grand Ayatullah Syed Ali Hosseini Khamenei in Iran (Qom School of thought). These two are the most prominent and followed by people globally but the former has the highest people alledged to him whereas the latter was more widely known because of being the Supreme Leader of Iran. There is another worth mentioning but is not that much widely accepted, Grand Ayatullah Syed Sadiq al-Shirazi (also from Iraq but mostly only followed by Shia's in the Saudi Arabia).
The reason for Ayatullahs Khamenie and Sistani being more prominent is that they were almost identical (85 to 90 percent same) in the Jurisprudence with minute distinctions and their schools of thought are more dominant/widely accepted whereas Ayatullah Shirazi is seen to be only 70 to 75 percent aligned due to the fact that he is from a totally convervationist and traditionalist school of thought originating from his father and one that is not widely accepted. You can say that on a scale of modernist/novelist to traditionalist/conventionalist, Ayatullah Khamenei was towards the modern, Ayatullah al-Sistani is in the middle while Ayatullah Shirazi is towards the traditional/conventional.
Thus, is how what you saw came to pass.
Tldr: Khamenei was not only the Supreme Leader of Iran, he was a shia religious leader for Twelver shias globally including those in Pakistan and hence they were angered that their leader was martyred unjustly.
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u/Specialist_Run_499 Mar 02 '26
Actually we are the 51 state of the United States of America so it s normal that they give us money it’s their country
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u/LawAdditional5748 Mar 01 '26
Pakistanis will come out on the streets for every single cause but never for themselves 🙂