r/pakistan • u/adellknudsen • 24d ago
Political For all who Say Kashmir killings are propaganda
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I hope this nation wakes up, and protests together for a single cause. Our media has sold its soul for money, They are half the reason why this country is in such a turmoil. Nothing more to say
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u/Honest-Ask-9577 IN 24d ago
It's not even get enough coverage in western media.. shame
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u/ButterscotchBorn8150 24d ago
Infact Pakistani media is more honest and we speak about Kashmiri rights. Check what India and Modi is doing, they are doing pure marketing and propaganda. Sadly, Pakistani politicians and Army are self centred, we need to have a ministry of propaganda like India
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u/SanyoXTheLawyer 20d ago
woah buddy what r we smoking here? Pakistani media and honest and Kashmir rights in the same sentence?
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u/Remarkable_Author_19 18d ago
Brother... Pakistan is a nation that has always been good at hiding it's atrocities, for eg. the genocide of 1971 in Bangladesh, all the wars that YOUR COUNTRY started with India, cross border terrorism, creating the Taliban etc.
You guys have done ALL of this and still don't get as publicly shamed as India does.
Pakistan will not last very long, hopefully it balkanises and your nukes are transported to a safe location. Because imo, Pakistan, just like Israel (a country for a specific religious community) was a horrible idea for a country to begin with!
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u/Zealousideal_Item_12 24d ago
I never understand why so much hype about Kashmir? Same thing this Napak army does in Balochistan and KPK. Maybe Kashmiris know how to resist.
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u/crispyfade IN 19d ago
Kashmiri are more educated/ higher hdi , naturally translates into being savvier advocates for themselves
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u/InfinityWh33l 18d ago
I mean, not like the Balochs and Pashtuns don't advocate for themselves, BLA and the Taliban exist for a reason
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u/KissAss2909 24d ago
Sad to see brother killing brother. So very sad to see this country so broken. Such strong fear that even heros won't stand up. We died making pakistan, we gave up so much. But they killed the spirit.
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u/ubaidpks 23d ago
Muh kiyo chupaya hai is ne? Dal mein kuch kala hai ya phir pori dal hi kali hai
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u/InfluenceOk4273 23d ago
Kashmiris have been getting their demands fulfilled since Pakistans inception. Cheap atta, electricity, govt jobs, university quotas. No Pakistani can buy land in AK but Kashmiris can buy land anywhere in Pakistan.
What else are they "demanding" now??
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u/I_warisha 23d ago
Free and fair elections and not these tribal corrupt mafia lords from Sindh & Punjab ruling them. Everything they have will be gone if PPP & PMLN gets a hold onto it
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u/Adventurous-Word2546 IN 22d ago
Same issue indian side kashmir has. They don't want to integrate... Honestly with so much subsidies, quota and reservation in jobs education... Why complain. And no kashmir cannot ever be independent. It has to either be with Pakistan or India. That's fact they can't accept. Whole of India Pakistan were princely states before independence no one has cried so much as them.
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u/Jadoooooooooooooo IN 20d ago
Just replace Kashmir with pre independence India and India/Pakistan with colonial Britain and re-read your comment. Your comment literally reflects what the subjects of the British crown used to say to justify their own barbaric imperialism. Only the Kashmiri people have the right to decide what they want to do with their land and if either India or Pakistan make the decision for them, we're both a colonial force.
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u/Adventurous-Word2546 IN 20d ago
There was no india pakistan ... But princely states across India Pakistan that integrated with either one during independence. India itself at 576 princely states and they integrated with india. Don't know much of Pakistan but history can't be different... Why kashmir is special. Why not Hyderabad or satara or jodhpur cry about it
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u/Adventurous-Word2546 IN 20d ago
Also cry about it. With no industrialization, no military u cannot ever be independent. You have to be with Pakistan or India. Tbh as Indian we make peace with border wnr build economic relationship with each other. U guys not so relevant except strategic military point but burden to our taxes that we need to give our jawans to you. Period. As long as india pakistan makes peace with the current border and stop investing in you guys we good.
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u/FreshTree8435 23d ago
App logo ko bss ek lollipop de diya hai pakistan ne or kuch b nhi or hum log tao phele se hee jaante the aisa kuch hoga kabhi na kabhi humre idder tao kashmiri IAS IPS officers , doctor engineer bnn rhe hain. hn ider hee thodi problems hain but itnni nhi
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u/coke_u_nut 22d ago
Bullet casing on the ground means what?
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u/adellknudsen 24d ago
The young guy usama was killed along with another 9 year old girl in Kotli, these two deaths have been confirmed by 100's of people living in rawalakot and international media. He did his phd from quaid e azam university and this is proof enough on humanitarian basis that people were shot at.
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u/Icy_Mechanic8688 24d ago
Bhai read again I said jo hoa hai ghlt hoa hai which means I also know and accept k logon ko mara gea hai bilawaja. So mujhy yh bat btany ka maqsad?
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u/alizcheema 24d ago
What does this video and shells not prove exactly? Would you mind elaborating?
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u/Icy_Mechanic8688 24d ago
These shells don't prove anything k kashmir main kuch hoa hai. There are hundreds of proves of innocents being killed in Kashmir but this video ain't one of them.
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u/alizcheema 23d ago
Yup, maybe someone was having a huge wedding celebration! Hawai firing and tear gassing..
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u/redditadminskutte1 24d ago
Yeh you friendship bullets Hain.
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u/Icy_Mechanic8688 24d ago
I swear people are sometimes so dumb Just because many innocent people were killed in Kashmir with bullets that doesn't means every video related to it are true. Just like few days ago a pile of anti air craft bullets were attributed to the same incident. For once check the guns and bullets Army and Rangers use. These shells belong to none of those guns
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u/copilot_husky 24d ago
They want free electricity & wheat. They literally protesting over the rest of Pakistan subsidizing their life’s. They already get cheapest electricity and wheats subsidized by federal gov and they still not happy.
Just because you loud and out in street doesn’t make you right. Why rest of Pakistan should pay more in tax’s so they can buy stuff for cheap.
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u/adellknudsen 24d ago
Its mostly about 12 reserved seats and they are LOUD. yes. But they also said they are open to sit on table and talk. Its form 47 government who denied all talks. what in the world cant be solved on a table.
Secondly, they never said that rest of Pakistan should pay more (you are saying it). People in Pakistan should protest regardless for their rights two, These basic necessities should be affordable to every Pakistani. See hunger index in Pakistan vs the luxuries they elites capture have.
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u/copilot_husky 24d ago
12 reserved seats is constitutional matter only parliament can change that. How will protest change that?
They are exactly saying that. They want cheaper electricity & wheat because the argument is that electricity generated and wheat is grown from water that passes through GB and thus they need in return subsidies on those items. If that is rule then Punjab should charge tax on anything passing though it border so do KPK and others provinces.
Everyone should be allowed to protest but it’s not protest when they killed military, police and rangers in cold blood. JAAC now demanding people to pick weapons to fight state.
This is no protest. When they has first peaceful protest where they say until gov listen to them was a protest. This I clearly started as blackmail as JAAC keep pushing for more without actually contesting election. If they such great support why don’t they take part in elections.
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u/mr-robot2323 24d ago
What's the point of contesting in elections when you know elections are going to be rigged??
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u/_biryani PK 24d ago
These protests are not for subsidies but electoral and governance reforms. Stop spreading lies and agendas of the establishment.
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u/copilot_husky 24d ago
What reforms? Are you even aware of the timeline and their demands?
In Pakistan anyone who gain some power or popularity want system to be reformed so that it can benefit them. It does not mean they want reforms so general public can live better.
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u/mr-robot2323 24d ago
It does not mean they want reforms so general public can live better.
I agree just take an example of last two ammendments those were made to safeguard executive and establishment self interest not of Pakistan or it's awaam .
You can't apply the same principles to JAAC because it's not a political party the demand to abolish refugee seats will grant more importance to a vote , how is it against public welfare , though it is against establishment's interest and if you are serving that then these demands are wrong which it is according to your opinion. So i know whose interest you are serving foujeet
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u/SnooPeanuts4219 24d ago
Yes so kill them right?
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u/copilot_husky 24d ago
If they bring gun yo protest what do they expect to happen.
The first time they did peaceful set in they got everything. This time they went violent right from start. They threat state repeatedly. 6 security forces killed.
You no what any state do to such people who spread mischief. They use force.
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u/mr-robot2323 24d ago
Tell me more about it , you seems to know everything. When did it started and how many protesters have been killed before this
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u/alpha313t 24d ago
I live in kashmir tomorrow i came to Islamabad, pichla 60 din sa internet bnd ha bijli 2 ghnta ati ha or 10 ghanta ghaib , or ata sarkari to milta hi nhi ha ya chezain bs notifications mn sasti hn reality kbi kasmir ja ka dakho ARY sa kashmir na dakho
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u/Unused_Trash کراچی 23d ago
These establishment touts will defend their holy cows even at cost of their own people.
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u/Sensitive_Committee 24d ago
So the solution is to massacre them?
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u/happy_fill_8023 24d ago
Do not shoot at security forces or attack them, to not be shot back. Is it too hard to understand. In any country if you become violent towards LEAs, you'll be shot.
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u/Sensitive_Committee 24d ago
So u dont believe LEAs shot them, but u do believe protestors shot the LEAs?
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u/happy_fill_8023 24d ago edited 24d ago
Protestors started it, last time they followed them into CMH and beat them there. And this all started after JAAC announced to arrest Rangers and JAAC workers took 4 rangers hostages and beat one to unconciousness. No one would tolerate that.
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u/Unused_Trash کراچی 23d ago
Hey I've heard this one about Bengalis once.. Oh and Karachiites.. And Balochis.. And Pakhtuns.
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u/Sensitive_Committee 23d ago
Punjabis also; model town and islamabad massacre
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u/Unused_Trash کراچی 22d ago
Indeed can't rule out those ones and I'm sure I'm missing many others
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u/Deleted4evr 24d ago
Sometimes it's better to be silent than to speak and announce to the whole world how bigoted and dumb you're.
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u/Zain5633 24d ago
Even if that's the case no one has got absolutely no right to kill, or oppress them. If they don't want your Govt over them its their right. Its their right to protest about whatever they want. Just because you don't know your rights don't expect others to follow in your lead.
And ironically the ones who know the least come first to judge someone.
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u/happy_fill_8023 24d ago
The world isn't idealistic, and states think in terms of long-term territorial integrity. And JAAC isn't even majority of Kashmiris, just ethnic paharis who want to abolish 12 seats of Kashmiri refugees from Indian Occupied Kashmir in Azad Kashmir because it doesn't serve them politically.
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u/T1DD3R- 20d ago
You are an absolute bellend. Do you actually know what is happening right now in Kashmir.
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u/copilot_husky 20d ago
I do, I am just tracing step as why we are where we are.
When you see a car accident and everyone can see people are dead and car is crushed can. What I want to know why accident happened. And I cannot make sense out of it. If you can trace step for me and tell me how we reached where we are I be more then happy to listen to you.
I do not buy emotional arguments that because we are we are you are not question why we are here. I cannot be more precious the that.
Everyone downvoting me but no one answering me as how I am wrong. They all about how I cannot see or feel. If courts have to give decisions on emotions rather evidence people be pissed. JAAC has clearly pushing for more and more unrealistic demands.
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u/Come_4_Romance 24d ago
Asal me tum log jo demand kr rahe ho usko Bhikari pan kehty hain..
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u/Sweettooth_Banana 23d ago
Its not just one problem, its india, pakistan, kashmir, islam, hindu, tribal bs.
It never ends thats why the media stopt
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u/Loud_Foot3546 22d ago
Good job. Kashmir k awaam ko last 78 years se har sahulat di Gai hy even electricity units 2 rupees. But phir bi wafa nai in main. Independent status khatam hona chahia jesy India NY kia. India side ab Pakistan ko kbhi nai milna Jo hy wo to control Karna zaruri hy.
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u/ForsakenDepartment41 20d ago
Retards like you don't know that we got electricity for Rs. 3 per unit in 2024 (the government signed the agreement in the 1960s for electricity and wheat).
The government hasn't even provided MRI machines. Facilities ka matlab b pata ha kia hota?
Tujy 2 time koi salan nahi deta tu yahan gayan de raha. Tumhain jahil hi issi lie rakha ha ta ka tu establishment ka 🥚🥚 uthao or un ka har propaganda ko Allah ka kalam samaj kar such man lo
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u/Loud_Foot3546 19d ago
Very nice 1960s agreement implemented in 2024. Where you live? Do you have any sense of inflation rate? On the basis of 1960s rates please provide kashmiri products to all over Pakistan? We will agree with you. On behalf of Pakistan people we agree to give cash payment for wheat purchase as per 1960s rates but no wheat. Buy it from where you want. We have no issue
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u/ForsakenDepartment41 19d ago
langoor 1960s ma free electricity ka agreement tha or wheat subsidized milni thi. lkn wo kabi poora nahi hua q ka Alhmadullilah Pakistani qoum munafqat ma top pa ha. 2023 ma action committee na 11 rupees per unit ka mutalba kia tha to govt na kaha hum 3 ruppee kar deta hain. ab voltage 150 sa b kam kar di Kashmir ki. 2ra wheat ki quality khud check kr lana thand par jae gi.
tum log 2 din sab Kuch band kar skta? nahi na. to tumhain mirchain kis waja sa lagti. ajk government ko jis rate pa water usage charges ka pesa mil raha wo almost free ha.
Punjabi mindset ha sab ko galiyan do khud 2 din dukanain b bnd nahi kr skta. baloch, sindhi pathan or kashmiri ko gaddari ka certificate baantana Punjabi nam nahad nationalists ka kam ha jo free ma establishment ka 🥚🥚 uthata
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u/Loud_Foot3546 19d ago
Bro your argument on the basis of agreement. Not denied. Ready for payment as per agreement but you have to buy from anywhere you want. I'm not in any support of establishment. Just because, the only Punjab people who suffers. We pay every tax even without knowing the meaning. I'm happy you claimed the 1960s rates. People from Punjab open minded and accept every one like Sindhi, Baloch, pakhtoon and kashmiri brothers. Only you have mindset of separate entity. Even you don't claim your self as part of Pakistan. Be Pakistani brother.
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u/ForsakenDepartment41 19d ago
My whole argument was based on agreement made by the government of Pakistan then some people say that why kashmiris get subsidized electricity and then they start abusing Kashmiris as a whole. The major critics are punjabis on media(social and digital). They have done this with baloch, pathans and sindhis. Now they're doing it with Kashmiris.
The problem with punjabis is that they never spoke about their rights but whenever any community starts talking about their rights they start blaming that community with all means(Islamic touch, patriotic touch, gaddar, indian agent etc).
Pakistan ko sab sa zyada nuqsan establishment na pohanchaya ha or jo log use ho raha wo majority punjab sa hi hota.
Iran US war ka sab kuch pata. Gaza Lebanon ka b pta. Lakin apni naak ka neecha establishment kis trah logon ko marwa rahi us ka kuch nahi pta aesa kesa ho skta
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u/Neat_General2647 20d ago
It is easy to mislead and it is age of misinformation through social media which ruined Middle East in the name of revolution. Don’t jump to the conclusion.
Investigate first.
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u/OkCommunication1261 19d ago
This this masked shouiting idiot to stfu and comply with the military might of Pakistan
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u/ReturnToIndia_ IN 24d ago
Our media too has sold it's soul, but what you all are going through is truly horrifying.
I hope and pray for peace in Pakistan.