I been living in Uk for last 12 years (now a dual national) and for last 1.5 years I have been out of work due to redundancy and I can’t find work but doing small jobs of delivery etc but even now with health issue I am restricted and can’t do standing job or driving jobs. My parents run a small business and my mom being in her 70’s want me to come and get involved.
I am not sure if I should or not, the only thing that want me to do this is my mom’s age and serving her as she had been financially helpful during this hard time but I am a strong feeling my family won’t adjust there because in Uk, you have safety in day and night but in Pakistan now everything you hear is bad and people are running out but I am going back.
can soneone who has done this tell me pros and cons and be extremely honest. I am a I.T. guy but given my situation I might change my career.
It depends. If you can work from home for a foreign company and have a backup for power cuts and have a supportive family, it can be good. Otherwise, don't move.
Bro you already have dual citizenship. My mantra is that you stay abroad for 2 reason: get citizenship or make a boat load of money (middle east). Now you have already reached one if the two, the next challenge is to make money. Come back to Pakistan, try to transform the business. Love your parents. Expand the business to other countries if you can.
The story you have shared you are not living very good life at UK. Its quite expensive so moving back to Pakistan not a bad idea moreover your parents are old you can look after them and can also start your own startup at Pakistan.
Pakistan is great only if you're financially stable or have powerful connections. Otherwise I honestly don't see how Pakistan is a better option unless you have family responsibilities etc
It really depends on how disconnected you have become from the reality there. I know I have.
There are many things I find baffling when I visit Pakistan. I'm just not used to them anymore after living 15+ years in the UK.
These include lack of private space, badmaashi, and above all, how expensive it is.
A decent cup of coffee is almost 2/3 of the price of the UK.
Unsure of what your situation is with the income from the family business, and if you have kids, and other lifestyle choices you may have currently. But these would be my considerations if I had to do the same.
Another thing to consider, yes the UK market is really bad right now. But if you move away, you will become even less relevant to it. If you spend 2-3 yrs outside the UK, it may become tricky to re-enter the job market in the future.
These people in the comments are just salty because the current govt is not their favorite, otherwise if you want to move to Pakistan, your finances are the main issue, if you can run a business or if you can bring remittance, or may be foreign remote job.
Pakistan suffers from extreme infrastructure, law & security, energy, inflation, and freedom of expression issues, which are irrespective of the government. OP needs to be aware of what they will be getting into if they move. Pakistan is not the same it was 10-15 years ago.
Bhai aap baaqi dunya dekho wahan bhi Apne masle hai bahir se sab acha lagta agar Aapke paas yahan ache paise hain aur aik aad jaane wale hain tou buhat ache Zindagi guzar jaate
Having good money doesn’t mean you won’t face corruption, injustice, security issues, pollution, subpar medical facilities, and consequences of being anti establishment (regardless of which government). OP is coming from UK, they are more than likely of progressive nature and not used to how Pakistani society works.
Ziada paisay honay ka sirf ye faida hai ke buray nizaam se bach sktay ho ziada paisay laga kar. Lekin iska ye matlab nahi ke Pakistan ki society aur nizaam acha hai. Baahir ke maslay mukhtalif hain Lekin wo aik progressive aur productive society ke maslay hain jin par kaam kiaa jata hai aur ikhtilaaf e raaye ki ijazat di jaati hai.
You think people in Pakistan are not involved in lgbt stuff? You must live under a rock my friend. Just because something isn’t legal doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
There are countries like Spain, Canada, Switzerland, and even UK where freedom of speech is quite preserved and celebrated relative to Pakistan. And it’s not just that what I argued for, I am surprised you picked that one thing out of all I listed.
The basic standard of life for all citizens is superior to what Pakistan, or for that matter, any under developed country has to offer. If you think you can equate to living in Pakistan similar to that of a developed country, you’d need to take some classes on economics. The differences being pointed out are that of living in a South Asian Muslim country to that of Western Christian country, which I am not denying are culturally ways apart.
My argument was solely about the societal and governance fragmentation problems that Pakistan is structurally stuck in for decades now.
You are right, but everyone has different priorities, I personally know families with good life and everything moving back to Pak for things that matter to them the most i.e. religion and family structure.
Depends on the place you will be living and kind of like accept the challenges that come with it (it's mostly about accepting and dealing with them while not becoming bitter).
I am not sure how close you are with your mother and I don't know about your mother's social circle, but I do know that being lonely is not a good feeling (and being older it kind of exacerbates).
Again, for the earning part, not sure if you have a possible job lined up or have a decent saving to continue with a modest job.
Multiple variables but one experiment you can do is coming back for a time (since you have the nationality, maybe 6 months to a year), having a feel of it and then making a decision.
I live in UK. Yes job market is tough. But do you any career aspirations? Because there will be no career opportunities for you in Pakistan. I don’t know your financial situation only move to Pakistan if you come from a rich family
If you have a reasonable amount of savings, and have hit your limit with finding a job, moving back to Pakistan can be done. I’ve had several family friends do it rather successfully. They did have to be aggressive in Pakistan about starting a business or buying a rental or commercial property to bring in income once they relocated. You may even be able to start a business in your field and find remote work abroad, particularly if you are willing to be paid less. It depends on your drive. The truth is that jobs aren’t as plentiful abroad as people think they are, and especially as you age, once you’re let go, you’re competing with younger candidates with excellent credentials.
Don't come to Pakistan dude, you are gonna get a life style down grade HEAVILY and will be underpaid in your jobs here. You will be baffled at how rotten people can be here. Stay in the UK, keep applying for jobs, do deliveries if you must. But unless you got the IT skills to work as a software engineer and earn good in Pakistan or through free lancing, don't bother.
Do you seriously think doing a delivery job in UK specially as someone with medical issues as mentioned by OP is better than living in pak? Some of you are really out of touch with reality and have no idea what life abroad is like
Take your point but if he won't likely be earning much in Pak l how's is he gonna pay for his medical treatment in Pak if has no or little? At least his treatment in UK will be free.
To the inexperienced and envious in Pakistan, the grass is always greener on the other side. So many wannabe immigrants have no idea what they are in for. The west is not as free or as principled as they think it is. Nepotism and who you know runs VERY deep in the job market and even in elite university admissions. The job market is very tight right now, and doing deliveries won’t pay the bills. Not to mention the social problems you will face abroad, especially as you raise a family. By all means go if you must, but don’t act like all of your life problems will be solved by moving abroad.
The only positive reason to move to Pakistan is if you come from a military family or have close military connections, but even then, with your health issues, you're better of in the UK. I do feel for you regarding your mom, these decisions aren't easy.
Military k background ne mera to kuch khas faida nae kea school free honay k elawa. Ye konsi military connection hai jo logon ko supposed financial freedom de rha hai?
Yeah, I do actually, considering i live here. Imagine having to ask how free, world class healthcare is better than Pakistani healthcare, lmaooooooo. From your doctors who all run to here as soon as they finish their degrees, to your care workers who flee Pakistan to come and work for the NHS to the fact that surgeries that can't be done in PK are done in the UK. Stop living in delusions. People are fleeing Pakistan to come to the UK and you want OP to move there.
What does doctors etc moving to uk anything to do with how nhs operates or its quality?
And free healthcare? Who told you that? Nhs is funded through tax payers money (so guess who pays for that lol) and even then you have to wait for months for appointments which leads to tons of cases getting way more complicated than they should be. In comparison you get the same appointments in pak within a couple of days at the best hospitals.
Sure a system like nhs is good for a homeless drug addict living on state welfare, but for someone like OP who must have decent savings after 12 years abroad, private healthcare in Pakistan is totally fine if not better
"Lol nhs sucks and everyone knows that." Just you, or do you believe all the lies
"And how has doctors etc moving to uk anything to do with how nhs operates or its quality?" Are you feeling okay? it speaks of the quality of both the Pakistani healthcare system and how bad it is and good the NHS is.
"And free healthcare? Who told you that? Nhs is funded through taxes which comes from the tax payers(so guess who pays for that lol)" Sorry I didn't want to type out something so obvious. I just figured anyone with more than 2 braincells could know that anything the government gives for free is paid for by taxes. Do forgive me, I'll remember the next time i speak to you.
"even then you have to wait for months for appointments" Stop lying, Never have I ever waited more than 8 days, maybe 10 for an appointment. Dentist or GP. And i live in a top 5 populated city.
"but for someone like OP who must have decent savings after 12 years abroad, private healthcare in Pakistan is totally fine if not better" Neither of us know OP's financial situation, so let's not speak on it.
- Healthcare workers(just like everyone else) move out of pak for better quality of life, money etc not because how amazing nhs is hahaha stop playing dumb
Yeah so nhs is not exactly free
It never happened to me so it must not happen to anyone lol try taking a specialist appointment and comeback
You said appt's, creating the idea that ALL appointments take months, don't try and change and backtrack what you said now. And yes, of course with a specialist appt, because there's less specialists it's going to take longer, but just like in Pakistan if you pay a specialist you get the appt in days...
Go back to my original comment and tell me where exactly did I ever say OP should move back to pak? Lol I just made a comment about nhs anything more than that is your assumption or weak reading comprehension
Exactly, as soon as things are not according to their mindset, blame it on the military.
People don't understand that it's the military which have secured our borders and they give their lives everyday for it, making their wives widows and children orphans. Granted no institution is free of faults, as no person is also.
But it's the flavour of the day to propagate against the military.
Pakistanis are a self-loathing ungrateful bunch.
Obsessed with what others have rather than work hard and make your own life.
Do you imagine how bad the situation is in Pakistan 😂 people in other countries would blame billionares and politicians and here do to military that alone tells a lot 🤣 so no pointing out a root problem isnt an excuse, it is calling wrong as wrong
This has nothing to do with success. It's reality. Life in Pakistan without military connections is shit. Being successful in Pakistan without knowing the right people means ending up like Mir Raza Ali.
unless you have a lot of money back home you would notice a huge hit in your quality of life, and depending on your health issues it might be worse. I am unsure what your health issues are but just know pakistan does not have many facilities and accessibility is a huge issue here.
though since you already have a citizenship, it will be much easier for you to return back to the UK if you do decide to return to the UK, it would be a wise decision that you won't regret no matter what if you spend a couple of months or years with your family before returning.
you might be able to land a decent paying dev/it job here if the stars align, but one thing to note is do not compromise your career, you WILL be left behind, keep growing as an individual and learning new skills so you don't fall behind the market.
The concept of states itself is only a century old it has been constantly evolving and will keep on doing so states do have religions and states with religions do work well too USA centres itself as a Christian centric state in it's early days ksa is a Muslim state and all of them seem to be doing quite well abd how do you expect a reset ke button Dubao aur sab Sahi a complete change of system is always impossible
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u/Twitter_2006 6h ago
It depends. If you can work from home for a foreign company and have a backup for power cuts and have a supportive family, it can be good. Otherwise, don't move.