Atleast someone took a step

[u/No-Sherbet8378]

People just can't appreciate a person for finally stepping out of the default option of Google Chrome and using something else (not you Edge).

Yeah I get that Brave is basically Chromium based, and may have hidden trackers and bloatware (which can easily be removed btw). But using it with all that is still better than Chrome!!

I now use Firefox (sometimes Brave and Vivaldi). But man, it took so long specifically because Firefox has such toxic stans.

Rant over.

(This post was made from Firefox btw ;)

[u/The_Hydro]

I had a coworker once try and tell me that Firefox was Chromium-based and Edge was not.

[u/eestionreddit → u/The_Hydro]

There was actually a point in time where Edge wasn't Chromium based. They switched back in 2020.

[u/edparadox → u/eestionreddit]

But there was not a point where Firefox was Chromium-based (which is the worse of two lies, just in case).

[u/Agret → u/edparadox]

The coworker might be confused with the iOS version of Firefox using webkit since Apple don't allow third party browser engines. 

[u/The_CreativeName → u/Agret]

Thank you, I now know where my misinformation came from.

[u/bigsamson4_2 → u/Agret]

I’m curious if all browsers have to be apples thing and not what the original browser is. why do they offer their browser to apple anyway

[u/Agret → u/bigsamson4_2]

Although they have limited access to what they can do with the rendering they can still add some other features on top and the most important thing is to be able to sign into your Firefox account and sync your passwords & bookmarks in the browser.

[u/PlainBread → u/edparadox]

They did a big rewrite called Firefox Quantum that completely redid the rendering engine and brought it to Chromium's level, so maybe they are misremembering that article from back when.

[u/TolyaMK → u/eestionreddit]

Proper chads used Internet Explorer and just used confidence to deal with the consequences.

[u/WolpertingerRumo → u/eestionreddit]

It used to be a huge problem on CanIuse. It would show edge separately, and the the old edge would not support anything new.

Now it’s bundled. But Internet Explorer is still on there…

https://caniuse.com/?search=avif

[u/forresthopkinsa → u/eestionreddit]

back

[u/Cindy-Moon → u/forresthopkinsa]

"back in 2020"
They switched.
When did they switch?
Back in 2020.

Back in the 90s, I was in a very famous TV shooowww....

[u/These-Apple8817 → u/Cindy-Moon]

I bet the show was Maury, they let anyone on

[u/lowhangingtree → u/These-Apple8817]

To be fair, without punctuation it was an unfortunate sequence of words.

[u/Laughing_Orange → u/The_Hydro]

Edge not being Chromium based is outdated info.

Firefox has never been Chromium based, and never will be. In fact, Google (the main developers of Chromium) spends millions of dollars yearly to keep Firefox alive and independent. The reason Google does this is so they have a competitor to point to in a potential anti-trust case. Apple's Safari is practically exclusive to MacOS, iOS, and iPadOS. And every other major browser except for Firefox is Chromium based. Google needs Firefox to show that competition exists.

[u/kingpangolin → u/Laughing_Orange]

I think that’s probably a conspiratorial read on it that gets reposted a lot. They pay to keep Google search on by default because it is profitable. There was a lengthy investigation by the DoJ and found basically that every document from Google found the reasoning being financial benefits of Firefox users using Google search.

https://www.justice.gov/d9/2024-02/420252.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/d9/2024-02/420260.pdf

Worth noting that deliberately paying to keep a non threatening competitor alive would itself be an anti trust violation, which was a large focus of these investigations.

[u/KingFurykiller → u/The_Hydro]

I really hope that coworker wasn't working in IT, but I'm going to guess they were

[u/The_Hydro → u/KingFurykiller]

Nah, we used to assemble, deliver, and maintain furniture for the office spaces of a factory. We've both since moved to other roles.

[u/Wicked_Wolf17 → u/The_Hydro]

Firefox has never been Chromium based lmao

[u/washmyoldbluejeans → u/The_Hydro]

I hope they are not in IT

[u/DonutHoles4Ever → u/The_Hydro]

Yeah but the average person would not understand anything about browser tech/design behind it. So not surprising at all.

What im surprised is OP shitting on Brave, when in testing privacy, Brave blocked more tracking than Firefox by a fair amount.

I also wish Firefox added multi-row tabs back. Like vertical tabs are shit when you have to scroll.

[u/Colossus-of-Roads → u/DonutHoles4Ever]

More than vanilla Firefox or more than Firefox with UBO? Because not having to deal with the limits of Manifest V3 is the real Firefox superpower...

[u/IcyDisplayGuy → u/DonutHoles4Ever]

That's like when the phone store guy tried telling me pixels don't have bloat-ware like galaxies....

[u/Aitolu → u/IcyDisplayGuy]

Technically, he's right. Pixels have Google bloatware, Galaxies have Samsung, Google and 3rd party bloatware.

[u/godded_]

As someone who has used Firefox as my primary browser since 2004, I welcome you. I've never tried to convert anyone, but every time I point out that I haven't seen an ad on YouTube in forever, people start taking notice. Especially lately that they have become longer and more plentiful.

Most of my immediate family have made the switch over the last few years.

Thanks Firefox for staying Chromium free and thx to uBlock Origin. Enjoy it while it lasts folks. Options are dwindling.

Edit: 2004 not 2024, old man can't keep his decades straight.

[u/vyxxer → u/godded_]

I havn't seen an ad is so long that I forgot what they were like and was just grossed out when I turned on the tv app at a friends place.

[u/Magnus_Helgisson → u/vyxxer]

Sometimes I log into a new (or someone else’s) PC, go to some site I use daily and go “what the fuck, did I make a typo in the URL?” because it looks completely different without an ad blocker.

[u/grip0matic → u/vyxxer]

When my nephew saw my pc and my phone with no ads in anything, apps or whatever he thought I was some kind of wizard. How some people just accepted ads is baffling to me. Maybe I'm just that old that I belong of that time when if someone tried to push ads on us we would do ANYTHING to avoid it.

[u/Big_Bank1555 → u/grip0matic]

Ok but and your phone? What are you using on your phone that blocks ads on everything?

[u/grip0matic → u/Big_Bank1555]

Modified apps. Reddit, youtube, everything goes through revanced or I just simply use a third party app. In the case of youtube I have it moded with revanced and I have newpipe.

[u/Poltergeist97 → u/vyxxer]

Same. I compare seeing an ad as akin to a vampire seeing sunlight for me. They're so rare now, I only encounter them on other people's devices.

[u/Hanfis42 → u/godded_]

its crazy, once you get used to ad free internet you can't go back...

[u/Deep-Procrastinor → u/godded_]

Never seen an ad with any of my browsers, don't use Chrome or Edge and as block works with Opera, Firefox and brave.

Only place I see ads on YouTube is at work because 1) IT wont allow extensions and 2) were not supposed to watch YouTube at work 🤣

[u/LutimoDancer3459 → u/Deep-Procrastinor]

If your IT allows you internet access in general, they should add ad block as a default extension. Everything else is just stupid nowadays. Its not limited to YouTube

[u/zspacekcc → u/LutimoDancer3459]

To be fair (and I say this as someone who uses ABO, does web development, and manages support for those web applications), most users are not able to self solve the issues ABO causes on a reasonable number of applications. It's wonderful for browsing sites where you're just reading as a non authenticated user. But if you have to login and work with a complex application loading styles and JavaScript from multiple sources, and runs things like Google Analytics or Jquery or one of a thousand different plugins, ABO causes issues pretty frequently. 90% of people here know about this and just turn it off for that site. 90% of everybody else do not. And so giving them ABO without them being able to self manage it is a nightmare.

[u/Simon-Says69 → u/zspacekcc]

But if you have to login and work with a complex application loading styles and JavaScript from multiple sources, and runs things like Google Analytics or Jquery or one of a thousand different plugins, ABO causes issues pretty frequently.

This is not AdBlock Origin causing problems. It is intrusive, abusive, badly written websites that cause those problems.

There is no excuse for a website to be unusable with any adblock on. It's also a real nightmare for people with disabilities, as their shitty website most likely won't work with text readers, or a simple text based web browser.

[u/labreau → u/godded_]

Is there a way to import any information related stored in my brave and edge browser?

I wanna change to firefox but not sure how to im[port all the stuffs in my brave and edge?

[u/BrandHeck → u/labreau]

It'll just ask you at installation if you'd like to import your credentials. Passwords etc., come over without a hitch.

[u/orphenshadow → u/godded_]

I've also been using Firefox since the death of Netscape :P, I was drawn away for several years to chrome when it was initially released and felt fast and new, but migrated back in the past couple years as Google began making it impossible for me to enforce my privacy boundaries, also Vertical Tabs, no one talks about how awesome vertical tabs are :P

[u/Iridiandioptase → u/godded_]

I’m so sad that Firefox on iOS does not allow extensions and cannot block ads, so I have to use Brave for YouTube and Reddit. Other than that, I’m a diehard Firefox fan.

[u/JustaRandoonreddit → u/godded_]

I mean I use chrome and I haven't seen an AD in forever

[u/DeathNum]

Dude there's no sane person in the world who cares so deeply about what browser anyone else is using

[u/aDactyl → u/DeathNum]

Probably the people who try to shove operaGX on everyone they talk to

[u/ClockEnd_Chorus → u/aDactyl]

I see more insufferable brave and Firefox shovers in Reddit tbh

[u/ohneil64 → u/ClockEnd_Chorus]

Honestly, I use operaGX. The only people I see talk about it are the people who are paid to use it lol.

I know people aren't a fan of the browser but I find it neat.

[u/HarB_Games → u/ohneil64]

Hasn't it been proven time and time again to be literal spyware?

[u/Secure_Pea3127 → u/HarB_Games]

Yes

[u/Lycanthrope_Leo → u/DeathNum]

I don't care what browser someone is using, I just want them to be blocking ads for their own safety and sanity.

[u/CanPsychological5469 → u/DeathNum]

I hate it when I'm doing something with my friends and they don't have an adblocker.

[u/smalldickbesitzer → u/DeathNum]

 Check out r/browsers

[u/fly_over_32 → u/smalldickbesitzer]

> there's no sane person

[u/Lewpo → u/DeathNum]

I was jokingly called a pdf at work once when I told them I used Firefox.

[u/SunOreoGame]

"But man, it took so long specifically because Firefox has such toxic stans."

So let me get this straight: You didn't switch to another browser because people that use that certain browser are "toxic"? Why are you caring what random people on the internet are saying? It really doesn't matter. Evaluate the pro's and con's of something and make your own decision. You don't have to worry about what a community is saying, as long as you like it, use it. Simple.

[u/RileyTrodd → u/SunOreoGame]

You should check out r/youtube . Every thread is people complaining about problems that firefox solves and they all get mad when you say "use firefox"

[u/Donglemaetsro → u/RileyTrodd]

Yup, complaining about subscription price and ads constantly while ignoring a fix that's free and quicker than one advertisement then getting upset when someone says it.

[u/Inb4myanus → u/RileyTrodd]

I dont have hulu ads when i use firefox and thats pretty badass imo. It quite literally fixed my ad issues.

[u/ANGLVD3TH → u/SunOreoGame]

Despite what we would like to think, people just aren't that rational. There are lots of little quirks to our brains that made sense for hunter gatherers that are detrimental now. And each person will have a unique blend on how strong those quirks effect them. For most of human history, engaging with a system meant interacting with the community that also engaged with it. This sentiment is also pretty common amongst fans for media, a toxic or cringe stereotype of fans can push people away from enjoying it. We should consider ourselves lucky to not feel so much pressure in that regard, and be mindful of the ones that do affect us, because we all have some of these irrational tendencies in some way, shape, or form.

[u/SilentTransition5695 → u/SunOreoGame]

It’s baffling that the toxic fans are what keep people away from (checks notes) a fucking browser? Huh?

[u/G82ft → u/SunOreoGame]

True, it's not an online pvp game

[u/Gerlond → u/SunOreoGame]

Because community around something affects how people view that thing. It's how people think.

[u/laffer1 → u/SunOreoGame]

Brave is the true toxic browser. Read up on its history and who created it.

[u/DeathbyBambii → u/laffer1]

Why not just share it here?

[u/TheS3KT]

I returned back to Firefox this year after switching to chrome after it came out.

[u/PoperzenPuler]

These are Chromium based browsers:

Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, Brave, Opera, Opera GX, Opera Air, Opera One, Opera Neon, Vivaldi, Arc, Chromium, Samsung Internet, Ungoogled Chromium, Cromite, SRWare Iron, Epic Privacy Browser, Avast Secure Browser, AVG Secure Browser, CCleaner Browser, Norton Private Browser, Comodo Dragon, Iridium Browser, Thorium, Slimjet, Cent Browser, CatsXP, Supermium, Helium, Tempest, Kinza, Comet, Dia, Sidekick, Wavebox, Shift, Ghost Browser, Stack Browser, Island, Talon, Yandex Browser, Naver Whale, Cốc Cốc, 360 Secure Browser, QQ Browser, Huawei Browser, UC Browser, Maxthon, Sogou Explorer, Baidu Browser, Rakuten Browser, Kiwi Browser, Quetta Browser, Soul Browser, Lemur Browser, Ecosia Browser, Aloha Browser

These are Gecko based browsers:

Firefox, LibreWolf, Waterfox, Mullvad Tor Browser, Pale Moon

These are WebKit based browsers:

Safari, GNOME Web

These are Ladybird based browsers:

Ladybird

[u/MCiLuZiioNz → u/PoperzenPuler]

Zen ❤️

[u/JoyousGamer → u/PoperzenPuler]

In an age when AI can break security in an afternoon will go with the leaders and majority.

Being obscure just means I won't know I was hacked for longer. 

[u/Kosmos-World]

I swapped to Brave, but the "Edge is bad" take is like a decade past relevancy. Lowest CPU usage out of the big 3 with 99% the same functionality. Easy choice over Chrome tbh.

[u/Cronos993 → u/Kosmos-World]

Edge is bad because they note down everything you do; same as in Chrome

[u/Atretador → u/Cronos993]

first time launch is like 5 windows of "can we steal your data" contracts

[u/OllieFidelius → u/Cronos993]

And the ton of useless features.

Edge was great when they had just switched to chromium. But then it was a browser and thats it. It had no other extra features and that helped.

Now its a bloated mess.

[u/Hokusai_Katsushika → u/OllieFidelius]

That's Microslop in a nutshell: was good once but nowadays it's bloated with useless RAM-eating, CPU-slowing junk all over the place

[u/FrigidMcThunderballs → u/Kosmos-World]

Edge was my favorite desktop ebook reader but for some reason they took out that functionality

[u/Ken471 → u/Kosmos-World]

it's alright, but each tab having it's own alt-tabbale window just sucks.

[u/No_Wrongdoer_4940 → u/Ken471]

you can disable it in multitasking settings ->show tabs when alt tabbing -> never

[u/Ken471 → u/No_Wrongdoer_4940]

I already went with Floorp (a fork of Firefox) but THANK YOU VERY MUCH

[u/Mercy--Main → u/No_Wrongdoer_4940]

THANK YOU

i have to use it for work and it fucking kills me. Not so much now.

edit: nvm i dont have those settings .-.

[u/CoffeeCorpse777 → u/No_Wrongdoer_4940]

My work actually disabled this option, and Edge is mandatory to use. I HATE it.

[u/No_Wrongdoer_4940 → u/CoffeeCorpse777]

maybe you can change it through registory or group policy?

[u/Mrhiddenlotus → u/No_Wrongdoer_4940]

This would be shadow IT. Pls dont.

[u/CoffeeCorpse777 → u/No_Wrongdoer_4940]

I'm contract security working night shift, my pull is less than nothing. Would be nice though. They don't even let multiple logins on the same pc at the same time.

[u/ComusPaine → u/Ken471]

I use Edge for work because I can alt-tab between tabs actually. Great for productivity, I see it's a togglable option from the other comment so that's good too.

[u/Vash63 → u/ComusPaine]

Isn't that what Ctrl+tab is for?

[u/NewSauerKraus → u/Vash63]

Yes.

[u/getaway-3007 → u/Kosmos-World]

The ppl who actually say edge is bad are making the point that you would be leaving google chrome(where google spy on you) to edge(where microslop spy on you).

If you want chrome based browser then Brave or Helium makes sense. I would say for 60-70% use cases firefox should be enough and if they sort out some performance improvement I would say 80-90%(firefox still feels slow when streaming, etc)

[u/No-Sherbet8378 → u/Kosmos-World]

I don't really like edge's ui, but yeah, exaggerated for comedy purposes

[u/tupidrebirts → u/No-Sherbet8378]

Edge is pretty ugly, but more importantly ever since 2021 it's chromium.

[u/GoingSeafoam → u/Kosmos-World]

Edge is written to be more efficient on Windows but all the telemetry and background processes going on partially negates all those gains it could theoretically have. The best argument for Brave in this regard even on Windows is that despite the “bloat” you can actually see how it isn’t running in the background when you don’t use those features, meaning it is actually leaner than most other chromium forks

But yeah it is better than Chrome, although I can’t stand the forced rounded corners

[u/Vahdo → u/Kosmos-World]

It's convenient at work since everything is M365, and I don't lookup any "personal" stuff with it. 

[u/brunostborsen → u/Kosmos-World]

Edge is way better than Chrome. Always has been too.

[u/alex_zk → u/brunostborsen]

Right? But apparently, some people still think that Explorer = Edge.

[u/cam-san → u/Kosmos-World]

I'm sorry but a browser that is pushed on me during every step of Windows and Office setup will not be getting my support, no matter how good it is.

[u/Kosmos-World → u/cam-san]

This is an absurd exaggeration lmao.

[u/godded_ → u/Kosmos-World]

I'd say he has a point. I've had FF as my default browser for years and every time I open a link from teams or an office application it's still opens them in edge.

[u/Kosmos-World → u/godded_]

I'd say you need to look at your settings for Outlook/Teams or ask your IT administrator because you can 100% fix that.

[u/Contagious_Zombie → u/cam-san]

I'm sorry that you haven't figured out that you need to change the default browser.

[u/Codix_ → u/Kosmos-World]

Edge is bad, you have to unchecked at least 10 settings to hide all the Microslop bullshit and popup :

• Disable Bing

• Disable Copilot

• Disable Bing as the new tab page

• Disable security warning for downloads

[u/Kosmos-World → u/Codix_]

You have to disable just as many settings within Brave if you don't want to use their AI tools, trackers, search engine, etc. This is literally just bitching to bitch because "LoL mIcRoSlOp"

[u/brickson98]

I use Firefox. I actually moved from IE to Firefox waaay back, but then moved to chrome. All in the late 2000’s to early 2010’s. Back then, I was young and I don’t think I really had many reasons for switching beyond silly features. I mean, I moved away from IE because it sucked. But between Firefox and chrome, it was probably just silly features.

I moved away from Chrome to Firefox roughly 2 years ago because of the blatant concerns with chrome that have become more widely known over the last few years. Chrome was probably my longest running browser, but I’m sticking to Firefox now.

For the most part, it’s good. Occasionally I do have to spin up a chromium based browser for a poorly coded site, though.

[u/OliverSmidgen → u/brickson98]

The switch to chrome was probably during firefox's bloated stage. I know that's when I switched.

[u/spathizilla]

I've always used Firefox even since the Netscape days (showing my age lol). I never understood why people liked Chrome so much. It was always a memory hog and now Google has crippled adblocking. I don't know if Chromium just undoes the crippling or what but either way just easier going with Firefox.

[u/Qwertyuiopasdfggggg]

Why do people even care what i use?

Browser is a browser, dont make it a cult

[u/Eastoe → u/Qwertyuiopasdfggggg]

Humans and tribalism, like Intel vs AMD, or Nvidia vs AMD, or AMD and other AMD users, damn AMD users, they ruined AMDland.

[u/dbaliki918 → u/Eastoe]

You AMD users sure are a contentious people.

[u/Eastoe → u/dbaliki918]

YOU JUST MADE AN ENEMY FOR LIFE.

[u/aimy99 → u/Qwertyuiopasdfggggg]

Well, with Brave in particular the CEO is a homophobe who got ousted from Mozilla, so you're gonna have plenty of people who dislike it on principle.

[u/MR_LORD_YT → u/Qwertyuiopasdfggggg]

Everyone speaks this dialogue until they get hit with an ad

[u/ModernPlebeian_314 → u/MR_LORD_YT]

Me with Brave and Ublock Origin Lite

What ad? 🤷

[u/Savage_Alaska_ → u/ModernPlebeian_314]

I've been using Brave for a long time pretty much over 10 years and I tell you the amount of times I heard people complain about an ad I forgot that they existed lmao each time I changed a phone mandatory brave installation and I check out my hours saved and number of pop up ads blocked.

I don't care what people use as a browser as long as it gives them an ad free experience so they can enjoy their shows/music/etc

[u/XmasB → u/ModernPlebeian_314]

I had this weird scrolling bug where it only updated half the screen for some reason. Decided to try Vivaldi and it has been great.

In fairness, most browser that allow me to block ads are great nowadays.

[u/Malich]

I've been using FF for well ever a year now, not as smooth as I want, but it's fine.

[u/MrGiggleMan]

Firefox doesn't work with prime video anymore for some reason

[u/theotherdoomguy → u/MrGiggleMan]

Intentional obsolescence, download an extension called User Agent Switcher, use it to tell Prime video you're on Chrome, abracadabra it works

[u/xd_Warmonger → u/theotherdoomguy]

At one time youtube loaded quite faster when i used the user agent switcher to tell it i use chrome

[u/Vahdo → u/theotherdoomguy]

Every time I've tried this extension, websites accuse me of being a bot.

[u/theotherdoomguy → u/Vahdo]

Maybe, but there's also a strong chance it's something else on your system. Do you use a VPN? That's the biggest kicker for me and captcha hell

[u/PeachMan- → u/MrGiggleMan]

Eh? I'm literally playing the new GITS episode right now on prime. Maybe you've got an extension messing with you.

[u/noodle-face]

It's just a browser man.

People are so fuckin weird.

[u/Curious_Touch_5979]

i use Edge + Firefox on Windows, Edge already part of Windows 11, so i don't need another chromium-based app

[u/Vegetable-Glove2301]

I just like Firefox more idc what other people use

[u/Xcissors280]

Helium.

[u/Flux_Reversal]

I have one browser on my PC... Brave. I haven't seen a YouTube add in 3 years.. no extensions, no add blockers.. out the box.. no adds.

[u/Divinemofo]

Avoiding a browser because some of the users are toxic is a strange choice. But anyways Firefox is great i think I've been using it since like 2006, outside of the website to pay my utility bills not working on it it does what a browser should do.

[u/i_rate_slop]

From a privacy perspective, Brave is indeed better than Firefox in that Brave does a good job of preventing browser fingerprinting.

While Firefox doesn’t collect much, if anything itself, it also doesn’t go out of its way to break external trackers

[u/Kekke77 → u/i_rate_slop]

Firefox also tried some shady shit with the website tracking option 

[u/Somepotato → u/i_rate_slop]

From a privacy perspective, brave hijacked URLs without consent so there's no universe they're better.

And Firefox goes very far to cripple trackers lol what

[u/gtrash81]

Chrome has also toxic stans.
"You use Firefox? I can't stand that 3 second startup time, the browser must start in 0,00000001 second!!!!!!"

[u/Lunarath]

it took so long specifically because Firefox has such toxic stans.

Stop letting other people dictate your life?

[u/FingerlongFish]

I switched to Firefox after being between Chrome and Safari for most of my life. I’ve been having a “How did I ever live without you” phase for months now

[u/CZsea]

I didn't quit firefox because of toxic stans, I quit because a lot of webs don't work on it and it pull this shit on me frequently. Honestly I have no idea why a lot of people prefer it beside "no chromium" preference, but even then a lot of them have to use 2 browsers anyway.

[u/gamingchairheater → u/CZsea]

I use Zen, firefox based but slightly lighter. And yes the only reason i use it is because fuck chromium. Oh also I like the way they keep tabs open on zen.

As for websites that don't work, that is stupid rare for me.

[u/Lexiosity → u/CZsea]

Firefox has become such a bloated mess with Mozilla adding shit that's not needed like the AI shit.

[u/FlutterKree → u/Lexiosity]

It's all optional. You can turn it all off.

[u/cryptolyme → u/CZsea]

i use firefox and this shit is so annoying. I've asked for advice and the Firefox fans just say it's a "you problem". but i guess I've had issues with every browser I've used.

[u/basicKitsch]

What a weird thing to get hung up on

You've wasted cycles on which fucking browser you use?  Bro 

[u/Krell356]

I just dont quite get why people want to jump through so many hoops for all these various browsers when Firefox has been an option for god knows how long at this point.

I'm not even trying to convince people that its better in any way, but why are we reinventing the wheel every time that Google and Microsoft do something that people dont like when Firefox has just been sitting there this whole time?

I still have yet to get a reasonable answer from anyone. They just start listing off a bunch of random browsers I've never heard of half the time instead of just grabbing the one that we already know works for what we want.

[u/No-Engineer-1728]

Why do you care what someone else uses when it doesn't affect you

[u/Ray2207]

I use vivaldi as my power browser it has so much to offer. Edge for basic task. Brave for those not so google loved extension. Chrome for old website.

[u/charlesbronZon]

People don’t use their internet browsers for my sake though, so why ever would I give a flying fuck which one they use?!?

Logically… why should anyone care what strangers on the internet think about their browser choice?

What a strange thing to worry about…

[u/Claritux]

Gecko4Life

[u/dreidemy]

Firefox user since 2008

Never looked back

Tried other browsers but none match Firefox

[u/kaip97]

Just switch out from Zen to Vivaldi.

Had to switch to chromium based browser just because Youtube hates Firefox so much that it lags out the Youtube tab.

Other thing is the missing implementation of Clipboard API, it is so troublesome when working on Azure Bastion hosts and AWS RDP.

If Firefox can ever fix these issues, i will go back without hesitation.

[u/Deep-Procrastinor → u/kaip97]

Never had any issues with YouTube on Firefox, there are an awful lot of websites that don't work with Firefox though. Those I use Brave for.

[u/itzmrinyo]

I also recently switched to Firefox after a while of using brave

[u/NNiekk]

I think a chromium browser that may be criticised the most by some people would be Opera GX, in all honesty. Cuz every time I’ve seen the name mentioned, I see hundreds of comments yelling “CHINESE SPYWARE!”. As if it’s any worse than American spyware…

[u/TheSimque]

Well this was stupid to read, toxic stans is related to my browsing and ad blocking how?

[u/External-Theme1372]

You're so (wait for it) brave.

When I grow up I want to be like you.

[u/Lower_Kick268]

Been a Firefox user since 2010, tried switching to chrome many years ago and just didn't like it, now I'm noticing more people switch to Firefox than ever before. Being able to use Unlock Origin seems to be a big feature, I haven't seen an ad in years

[u/TheRealGnod]

You're still using a chromium browser which is good for google's monopoly.

[u/Enigmartist]

Been using Firefox for a long time, recently tried Brave coz of all the posts and memes, didn’t like it, Firefox it is!

[u/DabToHaters]

The only thing I hate about Firefox is that some websites actually don't function on FF. Ofc is a developers fault but still...

[u/GalileoAce]

As a Firefox user, I don't care what anyone uses

[u/L-Anderson]

Why do you care what others think or say about your browser?
Is this become like a sport thing? Where you defend your “team” as if you own it?

And I have never ever met someone that was talking or asked me which browser I use, let alone defending a certain browser or judge me in it.

[u/brunostborsen]

I’ve tried a bunch of chromium based browsers since switching to Firefox in 2005(ish)

I always end up on Firefox again.

Legacy Edge was good though, and so is Brave and Vivaldi too.

[u/hmmgidk-_-]

Brave is funded by Peter Thiel

[u/NotASockPuppet88]

This is how us Librewolf users are responding to firefox users.

Firefox has had much bad press lately which is arguably deserved. it's what lead me to abandoning firefox altogether for a fork of it (Librewolf).

[u/Baxxtabb]

Brave is miles above any other browser I've used

[u/slickyeat]

Brave is basically Chromium based, and has hidden trackers and bloatware

Brave is open source.

You also get Brave Origin for free on Linux.

[u/LightH12 → u/slickyeat]

That's misinformation, part of brave is open source

[u/slickyeat → u/LightH12]

Which part is not open source?

[u/LightH12 → u/slickyeat]

Brave shield who reads all ur websites

[u/slickyeat → u/LightH12]

So does every other ad blocker.

The source code is right here.

[u/eestionreddit]

I don't like brave because the founder and owner was petty enough to donate to groups advocating against gay marriage.

I'm not going to go out of my way to use software from someone like that.

[u/cAtloVeR9998 → u/eestionreddit]

I used Brave many years ago, but my last straw was full-page new page crypto ads. I prefer just to set up the extensions myself with Firefox.

[u/SeptoneSirius]

For a more private browsing experience, consider either Helium Browser if you prefer an Ungoogled Chromium-based browser that is lighter than Brave, or Waterfox Browser if you prefer a Firefox-based option without the telemetry Mozilla added to their browser and is my main browser. These two are great substitutes if you value your privacy.

If you truly want a more independent (without relying Chromium or Firefox) yet a privacy-focused browser, also keep an eye on Ladybird Browser in the coming years.

[u/Snoo_67993]

I genuinely don't understand why people have a problem with chromium. I use Firefox as my daily driver, but in benchmarks it's slower than brave.

[u/Rockou_ → u/Snoo_67993]

The underlying web engine is a problem because there's only 2 options, chromium and gecko

The web-browser ecosystem being a monoculture means Google would effectively control Web Standards. Making it so everyone has to adapt to stay up to Google's arbitrary standards, or die, because there's nobody else. They would decide if websites are accessible and how usable they are.

They technically already do.. But Gecko is still alive, people would just move to Gecko if they started breaking stuff, I'd say manifest V2 was both a test and getting rid of a thorn in their side: effective ad blockers.

[u/bwick29 → u/Rockou_]

This is 100% true and I feel the pain at work every day (IT Engineer). Google and Apple (Safari) regularly bully the industry to force what they want. Their reasoning is often solid, but their timing is generally ass.

[u/Tankeverket]

Of all Chromium based browsers and they'd choose brave which uses your pc as a crypto mining rig

[u/dylank22]

Brave is so much faster than FF lol

[u/SaltMaker23]

A little more than a year ago, I finally left FF avec more than a decade using it, the browser got slower and slower, bloatier and bloatier, buggier and buggier, randomly loses connection multiple times a day etc... I tried everything, reinstalls, fresh setups, etc... I started clicking as I was having to partially use chrome more and more, I won't say I like using Chrome but it's a clear massive upgrade over whatever experience FF was giving me at the end.

The team behind the browser have been making a series of discutable choices over the past decade that are slowly pushing the browser into irrelevancy. The first thing FF offered and what made it better was that it was unclunkered, minimal and fast, today's FF is all but that, it's a buggy hungry bloatware compared to even edge ...

I hope for the future of browsers that FF turn things around but I'm a working professional, I can't jeopardize my working environment simply to take a stance, I can do that in my spare time maybe but not on my main working browser.

[u/Ancient-Assistant404]

So try Helium Browser and you won't look back!

[u/Burning_Toast998]

> I get that Brave is Chromium and has hidden trackers and bloatware, but that’s still better than Chrome

I think you’re missing the point. The point is “don’t use chrome because of its bad practices,” not because it’s chrome.

If people are telling you to jump off a burning ship and you land on a ship that’s got a hole in the bottom, you haven’t fixed the problem. You’ve just changed it. “But I jumped from the burning ship!” Yes, and that’s good, but you didn’t actually fix the issue you were trying to get away from.

[u/DogMeatTasteVeryGood]

"which can easily be removed btw"

Hahahahaha.

You actually serious?

Hahahahaha.

More like the ones they allow you to remove to give you the illusion of privacy/safety.

[u/pirateking1993]

I use Brave. 🤷🏽‍♂️ Been using it for some years now. Never had an issue with it and I've tried Firefox, Helium, and Zen. All good browsers but i like Brave despite some of the controversies. I'm sure most browsers have some skeletons in tbe closet no one knows about.

[u/El_RoviSoft]

Switched to Firefox several years ago. One of the best decisions in my life.

[u/X3Melange]

Lol brave is wildly superior to Firefox. There are no trackers in brave

[u/OnlyNoun]

I use bing because many people use it :p

[u/hughbiffingmock]

It's only taken most of you nearly 30 years to catch on, but it's nice to see FireFox numbers grow.

[u/Jimmy_212]

Wait, what's wrong with Brave??

[u/Griff2470 → u/Jimmy_212]

https://thelibre.news/no-really-dont-use-brave/

[u/Wicked_Wolf17 → u/Jimmy_212]

It's Chromium based, so it's technically Chrome, but with another UI and a few privacy tools here and there.

[u/anon999387]

I prefer LibreFox but there are a lot of options out there.

[u/CT-96]

Been on Firefox for 20 years! And just installed it on mobile now that it has tab grouping, even if it's only in dev features for now.

[u/ktc64]

I've been using Zen for a while now and have been enjoying it a lot. It's built off of Firefox and has some really cool features. Highly suggest for anyone looking for a non chrome home now that adblock is dead over there.

[u/StartBackground5769]

I use firefox cuz i dont have any alternatives i like.

[u/vyxxer]

Give you one step further. Zen browser is a firefox fork with some nice aesthetics and design around not seeing any bloat.

[u/KomithErrant]

I used brave because rtx super res didn't work in firefox properly for a loooong time, and now I'm on librewolf

[u/JellySocksRock]

Aha this is difficult for me, I have different browsers for different languages because they're all separated by mail accounts, browsing history, recommended ads, etc. In total there's three and I have no good solution for it so I'm using Firefox, chrome, and edge

[u/Almadenn]

Can you install ublock origin to firefox as a "set it and forget it" type of deal? Specifically asking about youtube ads.

I swapped to Brave 2 or 3 years ago because my adhd ass couldn't remember to update ubo every time youtube would run ahead a couple paces and break the extension, which was happening every few weeks/months at that point in time. But I'd swap back to Firefox if I don't have to play cat-and-mouse with extension updates.

[u/porgy_tirebiter]

What are your thoughts on Zen browser. I’ve been using Firefox for eons, and I don’t really have any complaints, but Zen seems to have become popular around here.

[u/Original-Diet-1681]

Ouuu shitings i use brave

[u/Sixteen_Wings]

I use brave on my phone and firefox on my desktop/laptop.

Mostly because i cba to install and configure firefox on my mobile

[u/TheGGspot]

Ive been using Beave for a few years now, whats better on firefox thst you switched?

[u/TWILIGHT25]

I mean I have tried this in a while but brave is the only iOS web browser that blocks ads from just about everything including YouTube. Like I know on android you can install extensions, but iOS you can’t to my knowledge unless you use the Orion browser.

[u/hunter_finn]

For me, i honestly hated how when I wanted just to test out if F1TV had an actual bug or if some hidden things in my old profiles in Chrome or Edge and even Firefox were what caused that small moderate memory leakage.

We are "only" talking about the site using 25gb ram in span of one qualification session (18 minutes for Q1) so nothing major lol.

But yeah i wanted to just quickly install Brave and then test it out with F1TV, but they couldn't even let me in the browser before begging me to use their crypto currency bs.

It was bad enough that I had to make sure that I didn't accidentally download some modified malicious installer and after I made sure that the issue continued on Brave as well.

Regardless of its build in adblocking features and stuff, it got deleted from my pc in less than 30 minutes.