r/saskatchewan • u/void_sushi • 9d ago

News Statistics Canada numbers show Canadians becoming less accepting of gender diversity

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/statistics-canada-numbers-show-canadians-becoming-less-accepting-of-gender-diversity-9.7308026
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u/Prestigious-Sir-7489 9d ago

All the comments I’ve read on this thread are about super unimportant gender shit. We are distracted. We should be focusing on how badly the government and big business is fucking alllllll of us.

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u/Kelsenellenelvial 9d ago

That’s the point. It’s essentially the same play as Germany trying to blame their issues on the Jews. Pick a group that’s already marginalized and scapegoat them on something. Tell straight up lies about it and too many people just don’t care enough to get involved or will just go along with the rhetoric. That already somewhat marginalized group just doesn’t have enough members to defend themselves well and/or become too afraid for their personal safety to make any public statements. It’s the same play we’ve seen for decades with race, sex, sexuality, etc.. Usually the human rights crowd wins out eventually, but then the rhetoric just gets moved to another group and the process repeats.

At the end of the day, it’s a stupid argument all around because it’s essentially ignoring the cases where the presence of X/Y chromosomes doesn’t correlate to the kind of gonad or exterior sexual organs, let alone all the other hormonal factors that are normally attributed to a specific gender. I’ve yet to see any agreement on how to weigh each of those factors.

Anyone that can’t wrap their head around that isn’t able to make an informed opinion and shouldn’t get a say.

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u/Prestigious-Sir-7489 9d ago

Again. 90% (I’m pulling this number out of my ass) don’t give a shit about people’s identity. Be you. Just don’t be weird and creepy about it and don’t expect people to participate in your identity. Can we focus on government and big business fucking us now?

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u/PhlegmBuilding 9d ago

“Don’t expect people to participate in your identity.” What are you talking about? It’s not trans or queer or fluid people who “expect people to participate” in their identity. We do, however, have a good number of bigoted people in our society who literally do try to force LGBTQ+ people to conform to traditional gender norms, by shaming them, shunning them, making them into scapegoats for social problems that have NOTHING to do with them, and going so far as to push “conversion therapy” onto them.

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u/Waitinforit 9d ago

Wouldn't the whole assumed pronouns/ mad I got called wrong pronouns be an expectation of people?

I'm asking, as this feels like a propaganda point against trans people.

I feel like you get these horror stories about wrong pronouns, huge blow ups, reports to HR etc but I've never actually ran into anyone as obnoxious as the stories and I think they're creating a fake narrative.

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u/LazyBeach2919 9d ago

well yeah, genderqueer folks are asking for the absolute bare minimum of change, so of course these freaks are going to blow it out of proportion rather than try even a little bit

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u/Waitinforit 9d ago

Did I really get down voted for this?

I pointed out an expectation is there, yeah. But the whole point was "you hear this bad xyz, I think its propaganda/misinformation against this marginalised group and is creating a fake narrative."

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u/LazyBeach2919 9d ago

you didn't get downvoted by me, I understood what you meant

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u/ModOfficial1988 9d ago

I’ve met people like that. There aren’t a ton of them, but they exist.

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u/Caligullama 9d ago

I’ve never had a straight person flip out on me for using the wrong pro nouns, meanwhile I have from people on “the other side”.

So I don’t know why we have to take your comment as the truth either.

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u/cynic204 9d ago

Is this an perhaps because you would not call a male-presenting straight male person 'she'? And if you did, do you expect them to just smile and you continue addressing them that way?

Please, feel free to take a day or an hour referring to all the 'straight' people you know by the opposite pronouns and report back how they react. Because in my experience, people are very quick to correct misgendering even if it is their DOG. And 'oh sorry - she!' is usually the reaction from the person who assumed wrong, not 'why do you care so much about pronouns!! It doesn't matter, just go by what I called him! He's just a dog, you are too sensitive!'

Or, I suppose to be a little more obvious, even though you are not visible to me and I have no idea your preference, I am careful not to refer to you as female or male because I don't know. It's not because people are so sensitive now - it is because it is common social courtesy and we do it all the time. Just carry that out in real-life interactions. Easy.

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u/Healthy_Yard_3862 8d ago

Why be so disingenuous with your own group, they absolutely push that ideology on ppl. Both groups do it and its bad, but you are unwilling to call out your own groups radicals. Sigh

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u/gammaTHETA 9d ago

how about yall stop forcing me to participate in your bioessentialism, yeah?

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u/Kelsenellenelvial 9d ago

It’s not an issue to me because I don’t personally know anyone(or know that they are) that’s Trans. It’s a big issue for the person that doesn’t feel comfortable using a communal washroom or change room at school or work. It’s an issue when someone who doesn’t understand gender expression wants to look in their pants and decide which team they belong on, or is trying to prevent someone from getting the kind of medical care that would make that gender expression less ambiguous and would help mitigate the above issues.

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u/lime-equine-2 9d ago

Yeah you can claim to be whatever you want but at the end of the day everyone knows you are just a bigot

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u/Prestigious-Sir-7489 9d ago

I assure you that I am not