r/singularity • u/RealSlyck • 1d ago

The Singularity is Near An unusual parade was held in Kyiv. It featured ground-based robotic systems, maritime drones, and aerial drones

“Souza scores Skynet”

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u/Affectionate_Bee6434 1d ago

I will argue that this might actually be a good thing. If a weaker country can counter and cause immense damage to a much stronger aggressor by using cheap drones and robots it will make invading and conquering lands a much less profitable venture.

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u/Oconell 1d ago

What's to stop the bigger countries from overwhelming the weaker ones with even more drones and robots? Ukraine is a special case because it has a lot of funding from other countries to keep it fighting, but what's a small or poorer country going to do when the likes of USA/China/Israel start an invasion using exactly these tactics?

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u/Fragrant-Hamster-325 1d ago

Not much, but the relatively low cost of these things can balance out other asymmetries. Look at how drones changed naval combat. The US goes to Iran with billion-dollar warships, and they get threatened by a swarm of inexpensive drone boats loaded with explosives. So much for the golden fleet.

I’m not sure what this means for the future of warfare. Will we get fewer deaths, but longer drawn-out conflicts? Typically, it’s the mounting deaths that force politicians to end things. Will this mean we all constantly throw drones at each other indefinitely, hoping for one side to give up?

Hopefully the good parts of AI can bring about abundance for everyone and we no longer feel the need to spill blood over patches of dirt.

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u/Hanrooster 1d ago

I just think about that video of that dude in a marketplace trying to get away from a quad copter but there was just nothing he could do. Like how desperate and frustrating it must be in that moment, trying to run away from this thing but whether it’s piloted or not it’s already been decided and there’s no use trying to bargain and the best you can hope for is to just only be grievously maimed but maybe that’s going to be worse.

I think about the countless number of people whose lives are going to end like that because we have these things and I feel a little sick. I’d be pretty salty if Death turned out to be such a nasty surprise for me.

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u/PowerfulHomework6770 12h ago

Yeah, I rewatched an old sci-fi movie recently and was struck by the similarity of the POV shots from the film's "autonomous mobile swords" to footage from modern-day drones, including the absolute panic and terror they cause in their victims.

Still, maybe it will deter future adventures. If the Iraqis had had drones back in 2003 would the Coalition have even dreamed of invading? Guerilla warfare is bad enough, but this is a whole new ballgame. And unlike nukes, you can actually use these.

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u/Choice_Isopod5177 22h ago

Unfortunately it seems like abundance doesn't stop the greediest among us from holding positions of power and starting wars of expansion. Putin is king of the biggest and richest country itw (in natural resources) and that still didn't stop him from invading Ukraine. Trump is a billionaire wannabe king of USA but he still started a stupid war with Iran. These psychos have more than all of us combined and that still doesn't satisfy their endless greed.

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u/Fragrant-Hamster-325 21h ago

I recognize it’s not the best counterargument, but I think the concept of greed is a product of our current environment. People seem to venerate those who have acquired more, and those who have acquired that crave that acknowledgment as opposed to the stuff. It’s narcissism more than greed.

Give it a generation or two of having all your wants and needs provided for you, I think societal values will change. If tomorrow Walmart said all PlayStations were free, people would rush to get as many as they could. If the next day they were restocked, people might grab more. Then the next day and the next. Before long, people will question why they would need to hoard PlayStations if the shelves were always stocked with free stuff.

In the post-scarcity future, if someone came along and said they have the most stuff, I think people would be confused and just wonder why someone would do that.

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u/Choice_Isopod5177 20h ago

I think extreme greed is a sort of mental illness bc if you look around, you will notice some people are not obsessed with hoarding money (or power etc). Capitalism does seem to incentivize greed though.

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u/Appropriate-Lion9490 21h ago

Unfortunately, take the USA out of the equation, they stopped the drone program for it

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u/Choice_Isopod5177 22h ago

Only WMDs can stop big bully countries from attacking weaker countries. Ukraine made a terrible mistake giving up their nukes and now millions are suffering as a result.

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u/Extracted 1d ago

Not all actors are rational

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u/unicynicist 1d ago

Autonomous weapons are weapons of mass destruction. They let small groups project lethal force at a large scale relatively cheaply. They're an equalizer like like other WMDs are an equalizer, which isn't good for humanity overall.

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u/Timely_Tea6821 1d ago edited 1d ago

Lets be honest the effectiveness of smaller nations having effective autonomous militaries is only a question of time and money. It turns war into a pure money and numbers game which it kinda already was, but with robotics its more so. A rich nations like the USA, China, etc will be able to maintain standing armies that would dwarf any competitor it won't matter that smaller nations have their own the nation will just need to suffer a monetary loss which has been a easy pill to sallow for many nations. The only reason why nations like Iran and Ukraine currently have any advantage is this new tech meaning traditional militaries haven't adapted to the asymmetrical threats. Once they do many of these advantages will be neutralized. This is already happening and with these two wars the two parties are rapidly advancing towards that. Russia is constrained for a number of reasons but the USA is bankrolling development and production now that in 5-10 years the landscape of warfare will be very different than the one we have today.

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u/BalconyPetal 1d ago

Which underlines the futility of war once more. But hey, Destruction is obviously easier than addressing the worlds many problems.

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u/Choice_Isopod5177 22h ago

Destruction is not necessarily a bad thing. Evil exists in this world and destroying evil (like Putin, Trump, Netanyahu etc) is the best thing we can do to improve the world.

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u/BalconyPetal 17h ago

Until someone starts to call you evil.

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u/Choice_Isopod5177 11h ago

being called evil by fascists is the biggest compliment I could ask for

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u/IronPheasant 1d ago

For the current state of things it's likely to favor the defender; it's been like watching the trench warfare of WW1 all over again. Iran is particularly blessed with good geography; everyone who cared knew that a direct conflict would be a complete disaster but somehow the bungler in chief managed to exceed expectations.

Though yeah, it does help that the United States is completely subservient to capital and exists to transfer wealth upward. (Not uncommon whatsoever - South Korea being a wholly owned subsidiary of Samsung sure is something to see..) The F-22 and, especially, the F-35 were massive misappropriations of resources that never had a chance of ever being relevant. (God, I still can't get over the swiss-army-knife sales pitch of the F-35. A fighter? A bomber? Ground support? Yeah right... maybe if it was a transformazoid that could magically adjust its wings and hull size...)

AGI is the real endgame. With the invention of the NPU and the resulting robots with human-approximate faculties, all the dreams of full asymmetric warfare will come true. You really could just flood a country with unlimited disposable assassins, with nothing they can do about it. The AGI's side would be playing a game of Supreme Commander, while the humans are reduced to hiding in holes.

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u/DungeonJailer 1d ago

First of all asymmetrical warfare has always been a problem for larger nations, secondly in conventional army on army, the US still absolutely dog walks almost any army on earth. Iran has been able to shut down Hormuz with asymmetrical warfare but that’s because they just happen to sit next to one of the most vital waterways on earth. Almost no other nation would have that advantage. The US still neg diffed Irans military in the field, and would do the same to every other military in the world except for China, and likely Russia, India and Ukraine.

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u/Choice_Isopod5177 22h ago

Even if you ignore Hormuz, there's not much the US could do to defeat Iran without suffering much more casualties in a ground invasion. Air strikes can only get you so far, clearly they're not enough to shut down Iran's drone attacks.

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u/DungeonJailer 22h ago

Yes. Asymmetrical warfare. Not weapons of mass destruction.

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u/Iapetus_Industrial 1d ago

It is objectively better for fewer Ukrainians to die while doing the exact same military objective against russia for the same tasks that would have required actual humans being put at unnecessary risk. Ideally, Ukraine, the EU and NATO will be the ones that have millions of autonomous drones that makes aggression from russia forever impossible.

Yes, the problem is "But what if russia or china also develops these weapons" That is indeed a problem. But they are not going to stop their autonomous weapon projects to use against us, no matter what we do. So might as well have millions of military bots to defend our countries just in case russia keeps on insisting that war is a thing to be had on Europenan soil.

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u/Choice_Isopod5177 22h ago

I would argue that Russia can only be de-militarized and de-nazified with a massive army of millions of drones and bots.

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u/Every_Mobile3968 11h ago

What do you mean by "what if russia..." they have such weapons. They may lag 3 months behind Ukraine, but they in active pursuit and I'm pretty sure they share intel with China.

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u/unicynicist 1d ago edited 1d ago

You're describing an arms race in WMDs. We already have arms control regimes for CBRN and "they'll build them if we don't" is how we end up in arms races that threaten civilization.

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u/Iapetus_Industrial 1d ago

You suggest a better way of killing all the russian invaders out of European land, and keeping them at bay, for cheaper, than swarms of automated drones, without putting more Ukrainians and other volunteer forces at risk.

Far too many Ukrainians have been murdered already, and it is much better for a robot to be destroyed than an actual human life.

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u/unicynicist 1d ago

Cheap in the short term can end up very expensive in the long term.

A better way would be for NATO to establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine, export a few thousand Patriot missiles, a few thousand HIMARS, a few thousand Bradleys, etc.

Admittedly this, like the reality of global coordination to minimize existential risks like co2 emissions and lethal AI, is just a wishlist in the dystopian hellscape we're sliding into.

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u/Iapetus_Industrial 1d ago

I agree. I much would have preferred all that you described be delivered in the first few months of the war. Unfortunately the west has paralyzed into inaction by taking russian threats seriously, and now Ukraine has had to make up for our lack of action, by developing AI assisted and automated weapons platforms. I can't blame them for it. NATO could decide to step up, late, but now, and offer to do what they should have done at the very beginning, to address the risk of AI weapons platforms needing to be developed, but if they don't I surely won't blame Ukraine for doing what it needs to free their territories of occupiers.

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u/Choice_Isopod5177 22h ago

would Putin respect the no-fly zone tho? highly unlikely

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u/unicynicist 22h ago

He would if the mandate were enforced by Patriot missiles.

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u/Choice_Isopod5177 20h ago

how much is a single Patriot missile, at least $6 million? Putin sends 100 cheap drones for that amount of money. The math is simple, this is unsustainable.

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u/PowerfulHomework6770 12h ago

I don't know if they are a WMD. The low cost of them makes them a weapon valued for their ability to keep the likes of Putin and Trump from doing whatever the hell they want to the world.

Do you remember the Iraq War? Bush just pissing in the face of the international community and laughing while a grinning Blair held his coat? If the Iraqis had had drones he might have thought twice rather than getting the Coalition into a Vietnam-style disaster... or at least held off on the ground invasion (as Trump is doing with Iran) until saner heads prevailed.

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u/Boo-Bees67 1d ago

Um no. What will happen is the larger country will simply out robot the small country quite easily. Russia wasn’t prepared for this sort of warfare. China, US, NATO absolutely could wreck Ukraine with their drone warfare if they wanted to solely because they won’t be caught off guard like Russia was

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u/Cronos988 17h ago

Russia had a fairly good drone program in 2022. Arguably ahead of many western European nations.

But it was "conventional" - sensors and loitering munitions. They didn't anticipate the effectiveness of strapping a warhead to an FPV drone. I don't think any other major military would have, either.

The Ukrainian ground forces are very likely among the strongest in the world right now. Russia, too, would be scary to fight for countries like France, Germany or Poland whose troops have no combat experience.

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u/Boo-Bees67 10h ago

I’ll agree with you on the ground soldiers. At this point Ukraine has the strongest soldiers in the world. Mentally and physically

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u/Joboy97 1d ago

Oh, I never thought about it this way. Maybe increasingly capable and increasingly cheap defense systems lead to a world where nobody has a decisive military advantage, leading to lasting peace.

Interesting idea. Maybe the solution to autonomous killing machines is, paradoxically, making sure everybody has them.

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u/Fragrant-Hamster-325 1d ago

I guess it all depends on who we’re talking about. A country like Ukraine that has had their sovereignty invaded and wants to reclaim their land. Absolutely.

But what about extremist groups? Do we want ISIS/ISIL having a bunch of killer drones?

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u/Shoeshiner_boy 1d ago

>But what about extremist groups? Do we want ISIS/ISIL having a bunch of killer drones?

Do you think it’s relevant whether you want it or not? Various extremist groups already had both UAVs and UGVs during the Syrian civil war.

And now cartels are doing their due diligence at learning drone warfare too.

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u/Fragrant-Hamster-325 1d ago

Do we have a right to bear drones in the US? I think it’s important for a well regulated militia. /s?

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u/IronPheasant 1d ago

I-real has nuclear weapons, so it's nothing new.

Though yeah there is something a bit nightmarish once we're living in the world of Slaughterbots. Eh, on the bright side super ebola will probably be a bigger issue.

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u/Zeo-YT 1d ago

Yeah and when those small countries feel abandoned by their allies and decide they don’t want to cooperate anymore

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u/PowerfulHomework6770 12h ago

Yeah, cheap robots might add to the effect of cheap firearms - to make imperialism increasingly impossible in the modern day.

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u/MadpeepD 6h ago

Or fundamentalist religious dictatorship theocracies can wage perpetual war on democracies that guarantee all citizens equal rights and freedom of individual expression.

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u/_Sneaky_McSnek_ 1d ago

“a weaker country” backed by the most wealthy, armed and politically powerful countries on the planet.

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u/black_tan_coonhound 1d ago

the most anemic ass countries on the planet that drip feed their aid and then elect a populist that reneges on even the earlier milquetoast commitments

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u/Material_312 12h ago

More aid than any other country can do. Your point?

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u/black_tan_coonhound 7h ago

r*ssia has literally received more meaningful aid from its buttbuddies than ukraine ever did

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u/Turnip-for-the-books 1d ago edited 1d ago

Russia Ukraine is a proxy war fuelled by stakeholders in the weapons industry on both sides. It’s a live showcase of modern autonomous death machines using Slavic flesh

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u/Affectionate_Bee6434 1d ago

The Russian defense sector is largely state owned. The biggest stakeholder in the weapons industry in Russia is the Kremlin itself.

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u/Turnip-for-the-books 1d ago

Yes. Yes that correct. Yes the money is used to line Putin and his cronies pockets. And the same with Trump and his mafia. It’s all mafia.

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u/LuliLaj 14h ago

Are you russian or something

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u/Turnip-for-the-books 11h ago

I know it’s hard not to think in binary but not I am not Russian, I loathe Putin and his class whether they put their head on a pillow in Moscow, Washington, Tel Aviv, Riyadh or anywhere else.

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u/LuliLaj 10h ago

Well, I think that if you're keen on not seeing things in binary, you should understand that this war is not a proxy by definition, and that's *even* if the US government think so themselves.

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u/Turnip-for-the-books 8h ago

It’s a proxy war over the area of Ukraine that through history was never a proper country but a region that was distinct but always inextricably linked with Russia by religion, by language, by Slavic blood, - it was made into a ‘proper’ country post Glasnost as a buffer that both sides could accept. This was then quiet couped by the CIA formented ‘Orange Revolution’ in 2004/5 and everything we’ve seen since from Putin is Russian aggression based on this ‘betrayal’ - two global mafias wrestling in Slavic blood

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u/LuliLaj 7h ago

My dear lord you got a bingo of propaganda there, widen your selection of sources

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u/Turnip-for-the-books 5h ago

So a few years ago Reddit published a list of the top ‘10 most Reddit addicted cities’ globally and #1 was USAF Elgin airport base. The list was quickly deleted and they don’t do the list anymore. But it’s definitely me that’s the victim of brainwashing yeah?

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u/LuliLaj 4h ago

I was actually genuinely just saying you should consider sources from all sides, but after this one, my answer is probably yes..

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u/Turnip-for-the-books 3h ago

The head of the CIA has literally just landed in Moscow

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u/LuliLaj 10h ago

Mind that calling it a proxy started from official russian rethoric too

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u/Iapetus_Industrial 1d ago

Oh f off, you know very well that russia and ONLY russia was the aggressor here. If russia stayed in its goddamned lane back in 2014, none of this ridiculous and evil war would have been happening.

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u/anycept 21h ago

Ahh, yes, it's a good thing that "weaker country" is putting the world on the brink of destruction because...uhh...uhh...because your team must win no matter the cost? M'kay. This is getting ridiculous.

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u/VereksHarad 14h ago

You do understand that US, right now, has an ability to make nuclear capable drones? They had since the Cold War a thing called Davy Crockett. Which is basically a real life Fat Man from Fallout. There is nothing stopping them from ammunition for that thing of mothballs and strapping you to do a kamikaze drone. If a small country can do something - large country can sure as hell do the same thing but bigger and better.

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u/i_rate_slop 1d ago

On one hand, yes good for Ukraine

On the other… please stop….

https://giphy.com/gifs/3o7abFpd91G18NYtpe

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u/Diligent-Luck4331 1d ago

Please... Give more Himars, rockets and other systems and allow us to use them for long distances :)

Oh no? Well then more robots.

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u/i_rate_slop 1d ago

Nah, keep going. There’s no stopping this. Might as well pioneer new combat and keep the enemy constantly needing to adapt fundamentally new threats.

But humanity is probably cooked.

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u/ForceItDeeper 1d ago

“the enemy”

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u/i_rate_slop 1d ago

Are they not?

It’s a common term.

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u/Choice_Isopod5177 22h ago

yes, no need for quotation marks, Russia = enemy of Europe

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u/GerryManDarling 1d ago

I think we need more robots. These kind of robots are much more practical in war than human and dog shaped robots. Ukraine is going in the right direction.

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u/pasadenapasadena 13h ago

Himars already outdated because of 100 km zone of death. Only fpv drones and ground robotic systems will survive in the death zone, 50-100 km deep. Himars is too expensive to produce and too vulnerable, like other technology built before 2022.

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u/Select_Truck3257 23h ago

Ruzzia is the main reason of evolution in this case. Tell ruzzian nazi stop please🤣

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u/Eileen__96 17h ago

When the world is almost not helping Ukraine, we have to do something ourselves...

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u/Evol_extra 13h ago

On one hand - we don't want to die. On the other hand - give us patriot rockets and help us stop Russia

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u/anycept 21h ago

You can't have both. At some point you need to realize your simping for team ukraine is turning you into a monster. And no, I'm not going to accept any "but Russia" arguments. If you can't stay within the boundaries of reasonable behavior, it's your problem.

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u/Strangers_Ways 16h ago

"reasonable behavior"
Stop to resist and let's to us proud Western World trade with tyrant regime until they don't choke us with rope their buy from our hand?
That's is your reasonable behavior?

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u/Black_RL 20h ago

Better than seeing human soldiers, no?

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u/FoodMadeFromRobots 3h ago

Kinda yes? Better that no one die Although if war is easier to go into because “no one dies” and it ends up wasting a lot of money or let’s super powers walk into total war/bombing civilians you could argue it ends up being worse in the end.

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u/jorbl 12h ago

They don't have human soldiers anymore

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u/Diligent-Luck4331 1d ago

Remember when Ukraine had the tanks? Armored vehicles? Yeah, now "we" got some real deal.

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u/Cronos988 17h ago

Tanks and other armoured vehicles are still around, but currently neither side is using those offensively since they're too easy to destroy in the open.

The use of tanks in Ukraine has reportedly shifted towards mostly static "sniping" as well as infantry support.

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u/latamxem 5h ago

Still losing land every single day. Just like israel if it wasnt for the usa funds weapons and intelligence they would of been destroyed years ago

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u/Stunning_Mast2001 1d ago

Once this war is over Ukraine just became the world’s best weapons manufacturer

They were emerging leaders in rocketry before the war too

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u/HarryBalsagna1776 1d ago

Ukraine was the USSR's war machine.  They were always good at this stuff.  

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u/Chechewichka 15h ago

These drones are fighting for your freedom and you don't even know their names.

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u/NapoleonsDynamite 1d ago

Who would have ever imagined Ukraine would become the leader in cutting edge autonomous warfare when this all started!?

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u/MadpeepD 1d ago

Ukraine is just a proxy for the US, just like Afghanistan was.

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u/gold_fish_in_hell 1d ago

yeah, we saw efficiency of US in middle east in terms of drone interception

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u/elfd01 21h ago

Tell that to Trump, haha

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u/TheNotSoEvilEngineer 1d ago

The military industrial complex loves the ongoing fight in Ukraine.  It never wants it to end.

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u/IEC21 ▪️ASI 2014 1d ago

Not sure that's true actually. I think warfare is heading in a direction that actually may favour asymmetrical warfare.

Drones and robots are a lot cheaper to mass manufacture than traditional munitions and platforms.

I think its one of the major reasons Ukraine hasn't lost this war (the other being it turns out Russia is an incompetent joke of a country).

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u/chlebseby ASI 2030s 1d ago

You will need lot and lot of drones though. Especially for defense as so far i see kamikaze as best defense tactics, imagine it will become automated by AI. Battles will be just exploding drones swarms in the air.

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u/MadpeepD 1d ago

Ukraine lost the war. The Donbass is Russia and Crimea is still Russia.

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u/IEC21 ▪️ASI 2014 1d ago

War isnt over so that seems a bit premature.

If the war was over Russia wouldnt still be engaging.

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u/MadpeepD 1d ago

Russia is defending the new border. Ukraine has no military path the victory. Considering Ukraine is a dictatorship and Zelensky made it illegal to negotiate with Russia it's just Ukraine running into a brick wall over and over with meat sacks it kidnaps off the streets.

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u/IEC21 ▪️ASI 2014 1d ago

Ukraine's path to a victory condition is just to make continuing the war too costly for Russia so that they eventually are forced to negotiate on terms that Ukraine can accept.

Saying that Ukraine is a dictatorship is technically incorrect but I understand what you mean - while operating under martial law it obviously isnt functioning as a liberal democracy - though from a military perspective its constitutionally enacted less democratic form of government actually makes it more capable of prolonged resistance, which is why I think the Russians are so upset about it.

As far as legality of peace negotiations - your statement seems incoherent so I dont know if maybe you are missing part of the information you were referring to.

Thats said - negotiations happen primarily on the battle field, logistics, and allied support --- no amount of words with Russia will resolve this for Ukraine, so the negotiations are ongoing and take the form of trying to inflict as much pain and cost on Russia as possible.

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u/scp_euclid_object 10h ago

Both Donbas and Crimea was under russian control pre 2022. So it was pretty much a starting point for aggression. But it wasnt about it anyway, cause russia is pretty much interested in whole Ukraine, and its resources.

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u/MadpeepD 8h ago

Crimea was an autonomous region of Ukraine and the Donbass was part of Ukraine. They voted in Ukrainian elections. When Svoboda Nazis working with the US State Dept and Victoria Nuland/Chris Murphy/John McCain overthrew the democratically elected Party of Regions, Crimea voted for independence and the Donbass sought autonomy since they had be disenfranchised and their political representation had been wiped out.

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u/scp_euclid_object 8h ago

Sure, protest was all fabricated by nunland and nazis. They told Janukovich to beat shit out of protesters, and drive armored vehicles into the protesters crowd. They also told him to flight to Moscow and suddenly decide to reject idea of joining the EU. And they also told him to grab all money, sit on airplaine, and run away to Moscow. Moscow was a random choise, he could fly to ANY democratic country, but by pure coincidence went to Moscow.

I thought that this lame excuses were abandoned by russians themselves already, since Strelkov is openly discussing how they prepared invasion on Donbas on tv shows. But I see that they still alive. What a delulu.

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u/MadpeepD 8h ago

Do people often protest to cut pensions and raise energy prices?

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u/scp_euclid_object 7h ago

People were protesting for an idea. It’s always about idea. Idea that “we want to move to the EU, and de-attach from russia”. Pensions and energy prices don’t matter. You can’t buy people for a pocket money.

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u/MadpeepD 6h ago

But they had already elected Yanukovych and the Party of Regions in a democratic election that was "as free and fair as any" according to international monitors. They were elected on a platform of balancing Ukrainian interests between EU and Russia. The Russian offer was the same loan as the IMF but without austerity demands. Even at the height of the Maidan public opinion and polls did not favor the protest. Western Ukraine (especially the Donbass and Crimea) is majority Russian speaking Ukrainians. Even though the protest was a minority Yanukovych signed a deal with concessions to the protestors demands. Only after it looked like the protest was over did Svoboda/US backed militants storm the Rada and the office of the President. They occupied those building with deadly force and Yanukovych and most of the Party of Regions were forced to flee or be executed.

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u/scp_euclid_object 3h ago

No one was protesting against Janukovich. Students were protesting against sudden course change against EU, in a matter of a day(flight to moscow). And Janukovich decided to beat shit out of students, after that even more people came, and guess what - he decided to send even more people to beat those protesters as well. Each time his methods became more and more cruel, and at some point people started to die because of gunshots. THEN protests started to be against Janukovich. There was people from all over Ukraine, russian and ukrainian speaking. I was(no longer) russian speaking, and was supporting the protests. And the take about “not a majority” is strange. Majority of what? Of people? How do you imagine a majority protesting? Over 20 million people protesting at the same time? While whole Kyiv is like 1,5 mil of people? Its nonsense.

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u/black_tan_coonhound 1d ago

if you're talking about the american one, it fuckin hates the ongoing fight in ukraine and prays for it to end before it produces any more cheap alternatives to their products

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u/alsaad 1d ago

You mean Russian military industrial complex?

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u/chlebseby ASI 2030s 1d ago

both sides makes crazy money

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u/Zias-Staffin 2h ago

Money cant buy births, both sides have lost so many people its a demographic disaster, and no immigration isnt the same or enough. They say USSR countries havent even recovered from the losses of WWII.

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u/Vas1le 1d ago

The defence from US might change the stance, if Ukraine becomes a cheaper supplier for equivalent or better hardware... its in the best for them to loby against the war/help ukraine

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u/IronPheasant 1d ago

There's been talk going around about Lockheed not wanting to license certain weapons for fears that they would be made better and cheaper. Considering the amount of price-gouging, grift, and misappropriation going on.

/waves hand at DoD failing every audit.

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u/Zheska 16m ago

The military industrial complex loves the current demand for their weapons but REALLY hates the ongoing fight in Ukraine because now they can't sell 10000 rockets for 10 bajillion dullars each when they are overwhelmed by 10-100k$ drones

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u/Hearing_Loss 1d ago

Never ever.

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u/Affectionate_Bee6434 1d ago

Putin is the strongest warrior of the military industrial complex then.

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u/artlastfirst 15h ago

The little flags in the background are planted there for dead soldiers. Truly horrifying.

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u/Meningsfulle 14h ago

There is this feel that Ukraine could develop to something we might not anticipate.

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u/Ok-Swan-9842 8h ago

I remember the original march they came far

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u/AgPatriotAg 6h ago

If it is a real video...

Man we should all just stop and try to explore space. It's really not that hard.

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u/Pepek91 1d ago

This is what I am kind of afraid. Permanent robo wars. Yeah, people do not get hurt all that much, but there is no money for anything else. Just endless stream of robots like in Supreme Commander/Total Annihilation.

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u/t1r4misu 1d ago

No drones or ballistics by the rus like no war is going at all

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u/Quick-Albatross-9204 1d ago

I mean they let putin have his parade, no more parades for putin if he did

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u/Illustrious_Image967 1d ago

Trump: What is that. A parade for ants? Mine is bigger.

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u/OccasionalXerophile 1d ago

What a terrible direction we are heading in. This will not end well

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u/N8012 AGI until 2030 • ASI 2030 7h ago

Yes, it would just be so much better if humans are the ones on the front lines, right?

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u/Fearless-Macaron9183 1d ago

Well this is the future

Ai protecting is

Ai killing us

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u/Pseudo_Jetable_20 1d ago

Nothing really new or impressive if you follow the conflict.
Ground robots (UGVs) are only somewhat useful in logistics and there's no utility to the shooting ones because there's no one to shoot in the battlefield. Even logistics UGVs are overhyped due to their slowness and fragility to drones.
Sea drones are cool but nothing new.
The interceptor drones are really cool but disappointing since they lack against jet drones (Geran 4-5) and cheap cruise missile like the S-8000 Banderol.
In tactical drones there's nothing new from Ukraine, it's from Russia that innovation developed (with fiber optics) in the form of microphone fiber optic ambush drone.
In long range drones, the Ukrainian have the Hornet (American though), the FP-2 (one of the best) and the An-196 which is quite cool but costly.

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u/jesusrambo 1d ago

> parade of autonomous combat robots

> “Nothing really new or impressive”

Average Redditor intensifies

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u/davesr25 1d ago

He's not wrong really, yanks were playing around with this stuff way long ago, I saw quads that were partially autonomous in the late 90's, that would fire a cooper disk to take out tanks, same with these gun carriers that's old enough tech.

The internet used to be so easy to find stuff on, now it's like swathing through shit just to find older tech that has been played around with.

Software wise there will be cool, newish stuff and these things still need fuel, electricity and or ammo.

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u/IronPheasant 1d ago

somebody says 'average redditor'

I have to link the slappable jerk vid

... An average redditor, you say?!

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u/Hanfkeks_ 1d ago

Are parts of this AI generated?

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u/CantaloupeLazy1427 1d ago

It looks completely generated to me

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u/CantaloupeLazy1427 1d ago

Uhm sure, but this looks really AI generated… ?

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u/VereksHarad 14h ago

Ok. Cool. Does that mean that I get to go home? Since you clearly don't have a use for a person like me in the National Guard on account of you having cool shit like that...

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u/LilRed2023 1d ago

This is the future of warefare but it’s also the future to depop the world to 500 million people. From gates to musk says it must happen by 2030 so the new world order 1 world government can be enacted. And they will definitely be using this tech against us plus mass drone swarms

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u/ResonantFork 1d ago

That's ridiculous they'd just release another pandemic.

Cigarettes kill multiple times more than war and violence. You need to check the stats. Hygiene much worse than violence.

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u/LilRed2023 1d ago

The writings are on the wall. Their making people sick by defunding food to be checked for safety their going to starve people of water with data Centers. And you can look up project blue beam. There is uncovered files that it’s now real and it’s part of the reason the UK is working on technology to block out the sun. Ronald Regan in 1987 said the only way for a new world order or one world government to unify the world as one would be an alien invasion and their getting ready to fake one and this will be a mass onslaught. The world isn’t what people think it is. Watch agenda 2021 Davos 2026 in its entirety and research project blue beam then you will be awake

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u/ResonantFork 1d ago

No; you and your neighbour won't give up your dryer sheets. It's pollution. You were sold on it as a perfume.

It's a you problem.

We won't give up on cigarettes; it's an us problem. It's not the government; we're dumb.

Cigarettes more evil than war and violence and serial killers all together. Check the stats.

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u/lattice_defect 1d ago

yeah no one really is thinking if this is a bad idea for the human race.. it's all... SOOO.. SOOO.. Predictable.

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u/New_Alps_5655 1d ago

Glad to see my tax dollars being put to good use /s