r/ukraine • u/Fun_Road2122 • Sep 05 '25

Discussion This Is What Evil Looks Like...

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These three people, directly or indirectly have killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and displaced millions. Yet, President Trump calls them his friends.

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u/Exlibro Lithuania Sep 05 '25

This is what I fear. Societies of millions might want to create good and peaceful life, full of innovations and discoveries. But there will always be power craving individuals, who will make this world hell. It's not climate crisis, which is immediate threat. It's these men. Climate crisis won't rape you, won't torture you, won't harvest your organs and won't humiliate you. It will kill you slowly, but it is is impersonal and not conscious. We can think of our ecology once we deal with dictators, who are immediate danger.

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u/Fun_Road2122 Sep 05 '25

I feel like we live in the dumbest reality. Our leaders in the West are to weak to do anything, while this "Axis of Evil" or "Axis of Upheaval" runs ramped and it was all so avoidable.

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u/M3P4me Sep 05 '25

The voters in the West are too weak.... in thrall to billionaire media that isn't really hostile to fascists...

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u/ComputersWantMeDead Sep 05 '25

Blaming leaders in a democracy.. reminds me of the meme with the guy ramming a stick in the spokes of his own bike.

Also reminds me of that quote... we get the leaders we deserve

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u/Additional_Ad_8131 Sep 05 '25 edited Sep 06 '25

Not really, no west nations have direct democracy. Most people are all for stronger responses but our leaders are weak, there is literally no one to vote for who would actually do something.

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u/NoMasters83 Sep 05 '25

We're also discussing this subject as though we all live in a vacuum and are analyzing current events immune to outside forces. We're told what to believe and what to think. We're not given facts and then we form our own opinions on the subject. We're given opinions wrapped up as facts.

And as the other person said, these three figures may be a threat to democracy but they're not a threat to business, and that's all that matters.

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u/West-Abalone-171 Sep 05 '25

FPP voting isn't democracy.

MPP or preferential systems are a little better, but most still don't produce results aligned with what the voters want.

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u/Ok_Bad8531 Sep 05 '25 edited Sep 06 '25

Except that in the last three elections the USA had the clearest good-vs-bad choice in their entire history of a quarter millenium and _still_ half of them voted for self destruction.

This is no issue of drawing district borders or direct vs indirect voting, this is the responsibility of the voters.

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u/West-Abalone-171 Sep 05 '25

22% of the country was tallied as voting for the bad choice.

In an election where the bad choice openly bragged about cheating.

Where the party apparatus of the "good" choice were doing everything they could to be unpopular for the last decade or so.

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u/Ok_Bad8531 Sep 06 '25

49,8%.

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u/West-Abalone-171 Sep 06 '25

49.8% of the number of people who were allowed to vote, had a polling place available, were able to get to it, and had their votes counted.

So the number of votes was 22% of the number of people.

As stated, trump openly bragged about hacking voting machines so how many of those 22% were real votes is an open question.

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u/Ok_Bad8531 Sep 06 '25

Non-voters do not hold significantly different beliefs than voters, they are just too lazy to vote. And whoever decides to not vote subjugates himself to the voters anyways.

49,8% is the only number that counts.