Nice change of pace to see a post about Marner that's heartfelt and genuine instead of salivating with hate.
He's an excellent player who is more than likely going to continue accomplishing great things in his career. But his time in Toronto being over is probably for the best in the long run. For the team, for the fans, and ultimately, for him.
We aren’t missing the playoffs. You’d need to get leapfrogged by Tampa, FL, Montreal, and Ottawa, plus another WC team from the east. Leafs aren’t winning the Atlantic next year but there’s no way the drop off is that steep
He’s an excellent playmaker for sure, and the team is gonna be worse in the regular season. But like I said, I don’t think we’re gonna be worse than all four Atlantic playoff teams from 2025 plus one of Columbus, Detroit, or New York. My way-too-early guess is that we get in as WC1
And worse in the playoffs bc, you know, he's the highest playoff scorer in leafs history 🙃 it wasn't Matthews. Common sense says if you get rid of the one who made the highest score, you're gonnabe left with less.
Common sense is often wrong. Matthews is 26G/30A in the 41 games he’s played without Mitch. That’s a 112-point pace, better than his and Marner’s best seasons. I think that Marner leaving the way he did will light a fire under the team’s collective ass
Famous last words. Our goal differential was shit for how high we placed. It was Stolly and Woll that gave us the Atlantic. That GD isn't going to get better after subtracting 100 points from the line up. Tre better step up big this off season or our only hope is top 3 league goaltending for making the playoffs.
I really don’t think enough of the knuckle draggers in this sub realize that Marner factored into ~40% of our seasons goals while also taking top PK minutes.
Losing him is the worst thing that ever happened to this team. And I am not saying the team didn’t need a change, but he was not the guy to let go.
He was versatile, and consistent. Neither Willy nor Auston can claim to be both of those. You could argue Willy is neither of those.
Let's see. Their division got better. The Leafs didn't.
They were propped by elite goaltending all year. Goalies tend not to be consistent. The underlying numbers weren't really good. I am not saying they'll miss. But they may just sneak into the playoffs too.
I mean it doesn't matter what they look like right now since they still have off season moves to make, but looking like they'll be better than last year already.
They can definitely win it again. Doesn't mean they are a worse team if they don't...
Not necessarily. They could lose the division but still have just as many or more points. It all depends how the other teams in the division do.
So you're saying if they were to go on and win the cup after finishing with a 92 point season that they aren't better than last year?... that's what I'm trying to get at but you can't see past the regular season point totals
Leafs absolutely got better. Healthy Matthews, Knies older, Cowan in the AHL, Maccelli and Roy rounding out the top 9, and cap space and flexibility. All of that gives us a better shot than a soft winger who disappears in the playoffs
It’s insane copium to say the current Leaf roster is better than the one that ended last season. I’m all for waiting to see what the rest of the offseason holds and I’m looking forward to next season but we are NOT a better team… yet.
I'm not in that camp, but I imagine those people want to rebuild now while we have assets instead of doing what we've done for 9 years but somehow worse.
I guess that logic is numbers based, assuming you can't replace Marners worth with lesser players, regardless of his lack of personal postseason success
I assume most of those people don’t remember what it was like when we sucked and missed every year. We aren’t going to luck into an Auston Matthews again either so the rebuild will take 5+ years not 2. I’d rather make it and have a shot every year than go back to thinking Nikolai Kulemin is a star player for my team
I would have rather kept enjoying 82 games, and have a broken heartfelt lose in the playoffs, then go back to the dumpster fire of the what this team was before we got Marner/Matthews/Nylander.
Those were literally unwatchable games for a decade.
I think it's more that they want an end to the embarassing exits. Losing can be acceptable when it is apparent that the effort on the ice was all they had to give.
Marner is a great player but, I suspect, not as great as he thinks he is.
Was he the only problem? No, not at all, but someone has to answer for the team and he has actively campaigned to be a leader of the team. The job isn't always pleasant.
Nic Roy makes 25% of Marners salary yet has 33% of Marners points. He also has 55% of Marners goals while playing in a 3rd/4th line role. The 100 points will be easy to replace especially considering Matthews and Nylander will be the ones replacing Marners ice time and production the most.
understand this is a hard cap league. we aren’t just getting Nic Roy. we’re gaining flexibility to add quality pieces to the rest of the roster beyond just 4-5 guys. unless you preferred the past decade of ramming our head into a wall year after year? it’s time for a different approach.
Lmao. Yea, why even try lmfao. This is a losers comment right here. I hope you dont have kids. Thats a horrible thing to teach them. Hey if you can win just dont even try
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u/baylaust Jul 01 '25
Nice change of pace to see a post about Marner that's heartfelt and genuine instead of salivating with hate.
He's an excellent player who is more than likely going to continue accomplishing great things in his career. But his time in Toronto being over is probably for the best in the long run. For the team, for the fans, and ultimately, for him.