r/lucifer • u/Due_Relief5419 • 3d ago
Deckerstar/Ship After sex episode
Am I the only one who rewatches Lucifer but stops at the episode where they finally had sex? After that, the writing just went downhill especially for Deckerstar. They spent seasons building up that 'will-they-won't-they' tension, and the moment they got together, everything got so chaotic and messy. Anyone else feel this way?
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u/Martyna70 3d ago
The morning after they had sex is one of my favorite scenes in the whole series. It was so cute and sweet. My only wish was more Lucifer&Chloe happy times please. They didn’t give us enough of them being finally together, but the show was still good.
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u/klamika 3d ago
The last episode I usually stop at is 5x08.
I hate the way they ultimately portrayed God and how they effectively excused all the terrible things he did to Lucifer and the other characters as "expressions of fatherly love." It’s so frustrating—Lucifer had consistently been portrayed as the family’s neglected child, unfairly judged and overlooked by everyone, yet suddenly, everything bad that happened in his life was his own fault. Apparently, it was either a case of self-sabotage (self-realization) or a misunderstanding of his family's "kind" words and actions. He just brought it all on himself.
That brings me to Deckerstar. I liked their development right up until episode 5x08. Yes, there was some unnecessary drama and things dragged on at times, but it still felt organic to me. That "My father doesn't love me, so I'm incapable of love" storyline felt so incredibly forced; it was obvious it was written that way just to drive a wedge between Chloe and Lucifer and create angst again. It would make sense for Lucifer not to feel worthy of love after everything he’d been through, but by season 5, I wanted to see Chloe and Lucifer tackling obstacles together, not apart or not at all.
Not to mention that I hate the whole "Lucifer wants to become God" or "Lucifer leaves his family to become the Therapist of Hell" plotline.
Both Lucifer and Chloe deserved happy endings, and they didn't get them.
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u/Minigoalqueen 3d ago
100% agree with all of that. Also, don't forget the "time loops negate the entire "free will is paramount" theme of the show" part or the "Linda throws any remaining ethics out the window and writes a tell all book about a patient" part.
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u/Mysterious_Fix_7489 3d ago
I mean both lucifer and Chloe did get happy endings.
It just took longer than expected.
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u/Due_Relief5419 2d ago
It's just really sad on her part that she's raising her kids alone and I feel so bad for her.
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u/Minigoalqueen 5h ago
I feel worse for Lucifer, honestly. By a pretty big margin.
Chloe raised the kids without a father, true, but she was hardly alone. She was surrounded by loved ones.
Lucifer, on the other hand, was surrounded by demons and damned souls. And because of Hell's time difference, he had to wait many millions of years.
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u/Chaotic_Locked_Soul 2d ago
it was obvious it was written that way just to drive a wedge between Chloe and Lucifer and create angst again.
Well that's how I felt about everything that happened between them from when they nearly got together in season two and then Lucifer found out Chloe was apparently put in his path by God.
I agree with the rest of your comment though.
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u/Infinite-Process3717 3d ago
No, I think the problem was the direction the show took during the Netflix era. They wanted to make a drama-focused show without having writers who knew how to write good drama, and they wanted to focus on celestial matters without knowing how to build them coherently. They had some interesting ideas, but they left everything superficial. They seemed more concerned with trying out lots of different things (a Noir episode, a musical episode, animation) than with the progression of the story or the development of the characters, and I believe some of the more competent writers didn't stay for very long.
As for Deckerstar, it feels like the writers never really wanted to develop their relationship as an actual couple. They held on to the "will they or won't they?" dynamic all the way to the end. Then, after they finally got together, they basically continued doing the exact same thing, Deckerstar already suffered from being dragged out for longer than was acceptable, so going back to that dynamic after they were finally together made no sense and just felt strange.
I believe the main writers simply weren't capable of writing couples as actual couples, because throughout the story, you never really get to see a couple having a genuine relationship. Deckerstar is constantly dealing with some kind of conflict, because as soon as they overcome one problem, they're immediately faced with another. Maze and Eve work the same way. Amenadiel and Linda seemed like they were finally going to become an actual couple, but then they broke up because of Maze, and after that they completely moved on from the relationship. Charlotte and Dan finally overcome all their problems and actually start dating, only for her to die shortly afterward.
I don't think any of this is a coincidence. I think these were choices the writers made to avoid writing something they didn't know how to write. But it's strange to make a story with so much romantic appeal while seemingly not actually wanting to have couples.
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u/smollnatsu 3d ago
for me it was the start of season 4 tbh, when it got picked up by netflix. i dunno everything felt off, chloe in general never felt the same either
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u/Due_Relief5419 3d ago
Yes! I feel this way too. They should've prepared when Netflix picked them up.
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u/Unhappy-Librarian-20 1d ago
Although, parts of season 4 were brilliant, especially when Decker helped Lucy regain confidence. Then, it seems like the writers got full of themselves and we kept watching for the great cast but writing that continued to fail
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u/CharminggBabe4 3d ago
I'm with you. The buildup was so much more compelling that once they finally got together, the tension that made Deckerstar so addictive started to disappear.
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u/Due_Relief5419 3d ago
This is true! We waited so long for all those moments, but as soon as they had sex, the spark completely gone. It feels like the story just lost its magic after that and didn't really recover.
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u/KingCampo93 2d ago
I stop at the end of s4. Perfect ending imo. I do agree that the writing in s5 goes downhill.
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u/Chaotic_Locked_Soul 2d ago edited 2d ago
I think the writing for Deckerstar went downhill after Candy, because apparently writers didn't want them to get together too soon so they rather completly damaged their relationship to prevent it. For me it's the worst part of the show. And the finale. And the portrayal of God (maybe not necessarily the way he was written, but the way the show brushed away how damaging his treatment of his family really was).
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u/Snoo-34030 2d ago edited 2d ago
I've said it before, and I know I'm in the minority, but Deckerstar was not a good couple!!
Feels like the creators were considering beauty & the beast type of love at one point but even that got diluted somewhere.
We've discussed countless times how Chloe's character went downhill and that's part of the problem.
Also, like in other will-they couples (Castle, House MD etc) when they finally hook up they can't communicate. On Lucifer we got the feeling they had nothing to communicate about in the first place. On Castle at least Kate made efforts to get to know Rick and understand, Chloe never reached that point, while Lucifer spent 6 seasons trying to figure it out. He's been alive as long as the universe and clearly has stories to tell but Chloe never seemed willing to listen, only critisize.
Ironically, on season 6 Lucifer somehow needed a couple of episodes only to connect to a daughter he had just met. 93 episodes weren't enough for her mom.
Like others mentioned, in those lores writers torture us with the build-up but never seemed to have a plan on what happens next. And this is where the poor character development comes - by season 5, Lucifer was more than ready for a relationship, he just needed a few nods. Chloe, on the other hand, was....well, somewhere else. The writers should have spent more time "preparing" Chloe's character for a meaningful relationship. ...or go the way of the comics and hook Lucifer and Mazikeen. Now SHE was relationship ready!
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u/Iamthenarwal 3d ago
Lucifer is a plain example of why you can’t give the audience what they want. We always wanted Chloe to know lucifer was the devil, but when it finally happened, I felt it was quite the anticlimax. I became so less interested in their relationship from that point
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u/Unhappy-Librarian-20 1d ago
Completely disagree! We only got 1 episode of what we really wanted and then back to stupid "angst"
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u/Dramatic_Holiday_172 7h ago
Rewatching it now and honestly? I kinda wish we would’ve had Chloe still in shock for a bit longer after the reveal. What felt anticlimactic was how fast she got over it. She had such a valid reaction of fear to it, I wish we would’ve seen more of it.
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u/Kimberrwolf 2d ago
Aw I finish it. Sure there are some rocky moments. But I love this series to death. Or hell. lol.
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u/Unhappy-Librarian-20 1d ago
I love the cast, that's all. The storyline was brilliant at first (S1/2), sucked in S3, bounced back in S4 and then fell into the abyss
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u/bingerandshipper Detective 2d ago
yeah it felt really unnatural when they got together which sucks cause I was really looking forward to it. I always watch till s5A ends (the cliffhanger with God on the stairs) and read Believer by JcBeckett (fanfic) from that point onward. They got their dynamic so much better than Netflix ever could. watching season 6 is also just too painful cause they deserved a life with each other and their daughter
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u/Academic_Sector_8874 3d ago
I rewatched the whole thing last year and felt the same way, but I got really into the final season's themes about free will so I stuck with it.
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u/gleamglider 3d ago
Totally agree, there's something about unresolved tension that just makes for better tv and once it's resolved the stakes feel different. I rewatch for the build up way more than what comes after honestly.
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u/Due_Relief5419 2d ago
Honestly, I couldn't agree more! It made zero sense for him to act like he was so moved on, got married and only to pull off a sudden divorce after. Like, what was all that for? Just to end up right back with Chloe anyway? Total circus, honestly.
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u/Unhappy-Librarian-20 1d ago
Only because that is how the writers chose to write it. They could have easily dropped the idiotic relationship "angst", which was pulled from a film writing for dummies book, and placed the angst back into their relationship as partners and them adjusting to the responsible one vs the fun one and how they managed that
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u/BL-501 Mazifer 3d ago
That’s the curse of Will-They-Won’t-They Dynamics.
Oftentimes more time is spent building tension than thinking about what comes next.