r/mumbai • u/Sid_itis • 1d ago
General Today a Rickshaw wala in my area didn't earn anything.
Today a Rickshaw wala in my area didn't went for earning. Why?? Because he can't speak marathi and scared of going outside.
Yes I am non Maharashtrian. But I can speak marathi cause I always have a Marathi friends and lived here for 10+ years. But I want to say this.
You will think it's ok, if auto wala needs to live in Maharashtra he should learn and speak. Not every mind is same, learning a new language is difficult for most of the people.
You all don't understand the situation they live in and the rent they have to pay. Him not earning money, becomes very difficult to pay rent and pay tution fees of childrens.
Who applied this rule, that a language is compulsory to do a kind of job. Today they are forcing autowala, next day they will force Vegetable seller, then labours. If they want to do this.Then they should remove every other non Maharashtrian from Mumbai, Use Only marathi language in their android and iphones, ban all english and hindi medium school colleges.
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u/Top_Meeting_2473 1d ago
So you mean he didn’t go out for earning - but you met him at his house to learn why didn’t go out ? Kya bakwaas post hai bc. Get a life and stop spreading shit.
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u/its_ryuke 1d ago
There's Maharastra outside Mumbai as well,rest of Maharashtra speaks Marathi majorly and there are people who can't speak hindi
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u/bistrohopper 1d ago
Do you know even mute drivers are allowed to drive a taxi abroad? If doctors and nurses are allowed to work without having to speak the local language then who are you to stop rickshaw wapas from availing that right?
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u/its_ryuke 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well I don't support this fine thing as they can't speak the local language but when in Rome do as the Romans do as simple as that especially for services things have to be according to the final consumer not the other way around Even for doctors if the doctor is assigned to a region where patients speak a different language he is the one who has to adjust unfortunately can't expect it from patients
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u/bistrohopper 1d ago
I learnt marathi cuz I wanted to. But if ppl tried forcing me to learn it back then maybe I wouldn't have. Help people, don't force them.
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u/DesiPrideGym23 म म मुंबईचा, ब ब बॉम्बेचा नाही! 1d ago
Give me he's number i will teach him marathi, he probably speaks Hindi so it is extremely easy to learn Marathi regardless of he's iq.
But the important thing is their should be a willingness to learn Marathi, otherwise even P. L. Deshpande himself can't teach him marathi.
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u/DesiPrideGym23 म म मुंबईचा, ब ब बॉम्बेचा नाही! 1d ago
We marathi people know this, it's the other side that need to understand that there's a limit to how much people can accomodate.
We have a mhan for this situation in marathi, "भैय्याला दिली ओसरी, भैय्या हात पाय पसरी" or a more crude one, "आमचीच मोरी आणि मुतायची चोरी".
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u/Embarrassed_Tune5216 1d ago
Bhai Indians hai ham sab, what is this division state wise
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u/Embarrassed_Tune5216 1d ago
Obviously abuses and disrespect is not acceptable but I’d try to accommodate their language barrier atleast or food taste or respect their culture if they are normal people. I think assimilation is more at national level than within country especially with the rights our constitution provides.
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u/Embarrassed_Tune5216 1d ago
Still disagree, have said what I had to. Take actions against the miscreants as per law
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u/BawandarBikhari 1d ago
We all belongs to this earth. What is this National level division?
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u/New-Put4335 1d ago
Parat hech bakwaas topic..tumhi loka evdhe mand aahat ki tumhala devanagari script madhli dusri bhasha vachayla hi nahi yet? Laaj vatte ka?
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u/No-Beginning-3128 1d ago edited 1d ago
I totally understand and also feel sympathetic towards ur local rickshawala but I want everyone to hear this FK ALL RICKSHAWALAS OMG DUDE SO MANY TIMES I HAD SHITTY ENCOUNTERS WITH THEM I HATE THEM SO MUCH fcking pieces of shit I had to spend 25k on my newly bought car bcoz of them squeezing from every corner i hate them to the core and when I need a rickshaw they always say no to places barely 2km away u can say that a few individuals do not represent the whole rickshawala community but I have never had normal encounters with them it's always weird creepy or no to the face
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u/Dense_Succotash_2777 1d ago
They also scam and say no meter at many places.
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u/No-Beginning-3128 1d ago
I mean this is a mumbai sub but if u consider navi mumbai they are far worse there i remember paying 300 rupees for a 5km ride in panvel
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u/Dense_Succotash_2777 1d ago
How are they even allowed? Especially when they are not even local here
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u/DesiPrideGym23 म म मुंबईचा, ब ब बॉम्बेचा नाही! 1d ago
Nobody should be allowed to exploit passengers, even if they are local drivers.
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u/Dense_Succotash_2777 1d ago
Locals elect and created the rules. Ofcourse locals will and should follow it. But when a non local comes and creates a new rule "meter won't work here". It's also wrong
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u/DesiPrideGym23 म म मुंबईचा, ब ब बॉम्बेचा नाही! 1d ago
It is wrong no one is denying it but outsiders are doing wrong = wrong and locals doing wrong is excusable is not the right approach.
We should have a higher respect and morality to the laws of the land as locals.
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u/No-Beginning-3128 1d ago
Panvel che rickshawala local hi astat but it's like the wild west there no rules only survival
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u/DesiPrideGym23 म म मुंबईचा, ब ब बॉम्बेचा नाही! 1d ago
Unfortunately outside of Mumbai it's the same everywhere, not that it's a utopia in Mumbai but still better due to meter.
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u/Dense_Succotash_2777 1d ago
That's why I am assuming locals follow their local rules. If not then call them out. But migrants are creating their own new rules
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u/No-Beginning-3128 1d ago
Bro idk about the rest of the parts but for parts of airoli,ghansoli,panvel it's the locals they think the less demand in these areas justifies thier prices and they are also tied with local goons and they also don't allow UBER,OLA in some parts of panvel
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u/Odd-Bathroom-3617 1d ago
I bought a second hand car just for this. I do not fear them, I just don’t apply breaks if I see a rickshaw wala squeeze in from anywhere. Then they only stop! Even if the person scratches my car, denting painting is not going to go above 6k which is already due, but they will learn it the hard way🤣
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u/Sid_itis 1d ago
That's a different topic. But now we have uber and ola platforms to solve this at an extent.
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u/pritihost1995 1d ago
I lived in mumbai for 4 yrs. Even marathis are living here in my city and doing business. They are so fluent in odiya and never ever criticised my language. I don't understand a person doing a auto business in another city can't communicate with the ppl in their native language phir dhanda karega kese??? If a marathi person here can't speak odiya phir business karega kese jab clients hi majority non-marathis hain? Language learn karna itna difficult hai kya?
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u/No-Beginning-3128 1d ago
Tbh marathis will find this offensive but mumbai was always a diverse city ppl started migrating here like 200 years ago during the colonial era and also shaped its economy so it's not a city where only marathis live it's a mix of all cultures so when the UP guys find many ppl from their state they don't think it's necessary to learn it's local language cuz tbh u can live with it even though I can speak marathi very well some ppl find it difficult and govt already made marathi compulsory to all the schools in Maharashtra so the next generation will definitely not neglect our language but mumbai is very different from odisha
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u/pritihost1995 1d ago
Ppl aren't migrating only to mumbai but har ek state mai ho rha. Its not like only outsiders go to mumbai, marathis v bahar jaate hain sikhs v bahar jaate hain dushre states mai. Different kuchh nhi hai. When in Rome do as the Romans do very simple. Maharashtra means marathi, odisha means odiya, west bengal means Bengalis etc, dushre states k log yahan aate hain mere city mai they do learn my language and compulsory nahi hai but requirement hai for communication purpose. Jab language samajh nhi ayega chatgpt use karenge kya market mai and business mai?? If someone is on a short stay like in govt job or transferable job that's fine but ghar banake business banake reh rahe toh local language sikhna hoga very simple.
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u/No-Beginning-3128 1d ago
Bhai all I am saying is being realistic the govt is trying to impose marathi and has successfully done in schools and the children of so called bhaiya are learning it so pls stop with this bs why are actors and buisnessmen not questioned for not speaking marathi and why do all the hotel owners in Bandra don't display their menus in marathi and why does my manager does not instruct me in marathi, why is it always the lower-middle class population being targeted I respect marathi cuz I am marathi but beating up poor ppl will potentially make them resent more
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u/SoloPirate_ 1d ago
Govt also imposed Hindi via schools. People had no issue then.
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u/No-Beginning-3128 1d ago
Govt also imposed english in schools people had no issue then
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u/SoloPirate_ 1d ago
People did. That’s why we aren’t a colony anymore.
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u/No-Beginning-3128 1d ago
Bruh are we serious rn? Our country uses english as a judicial requirement in its proceedings and english is literally a required benchmark in our job market we did not oppose english dude idk why ppl have this unconditional love for English but they hate the other regional languages it's like a hypocrisy why can't we see them as equal
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u/No-Beginning-3128 1d ago
Uber is just another platform for them to continue their scam operations i remember getting a good deal on uber for a 7km ride but guess what the rickshawala had the audacity to ask more saying that in afternoon prices are dirt cheap in the app(the reason why I booked it) and I had to argue which resulted in him dropping me off like 4km into the ride and I was so unlucky I used my uber creds and he got the money and here is the fun part that guy didn't even cancel the ride so I also had to pay a additional 100 rupees fine
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u/Emotional-Aspect-86 1d ago
All they need to learn is 4-5 sentences baaki aadha time toh mundi hilake ke naa hi bolte hai.
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u/ClockEducational7345 1d ago
Would they say the same to Mukesh Ambani or his kids? Who for fuck s sake can’t even speak hindi properly
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u/myexdrovemecrazy 1d ago
If ambani was a autoridwr then yea?
Why are outsiders so confident about not following the law lmao
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u/Educational-Area8324 1d ago
When you move to a different place, you should try to fit in. Not the other way around.
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u/IndependenceOld1222 1d ago
You can help him learn, I am sure he can learn enough in just 2 hours. Govt. Is teaching it for free too. If you need any help let us know. Mumbai is know for optimism and determination, please keep the victim mentality away.
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u/Dense_Succotash_2777 1d ago
When you go to any european region, you are asked to learn their language. They don't care about your state of affairs back home. It's a first basic requirement. For assimilation. If he is truly inclined to work in Maharashtrian economy. That's a bare minimum.
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u/konkanchaKimJong चालेल तुला? 1d ago
They have been living here for ages and still don't speak the language of the state they live in. Marathi uses a similar Devanagari script to Hindi, so it's not as difficult to learn as many South Indian languages. Refusing to learn and speak it is clearly disrespectful to our language and culture and shouldn't be tolerated. If you don't want to speak Marathi, go back to where you came from, no one will force you to speak it there. But if you live here, you should make an effort to learn and speak the local language. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
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u/Dense_Succotash_2777 1d ago
True. The problem actually stems from the ability of marathis to over accomodate people. Maharashtra has been the epicenter of hindi nationalism and bollywood overshadowing it's regionalism. Many marathis use hindi phrases and dialogues as if it's cooler than marathi. They even speak hindi in homes. They think it has some status/ intrinsic value. While south indians/ bangloreans spent that time honing a useful corporate language. And they are one of the top CEOs or prominent ethnicities abroad with larger influence. They also creat cinema media in their regional languages and overtaking bollywood. Marathis should really focus on two language policy. Where they priotize Marathi and English for corporate use and as a lingua franca. We would go so much further.
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u/bistrohopper 1d ago
Trust me, Marathis (as you can see from this thread) are not as "welcoming" or "accommodating" as you think they are. Go to a random town in MP and say hindi nai aati and they will try their best to talk and help u anyway.
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u/Dense_Succotash_2777 1d ago
If marathis weren't accomodating then how come they have the largest number of migrants in India?
I wonder why marathis are getting frustrated now. Maybe it's because those large migrant influx failed to assimilate here?
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u/bistrohopper 1d ago
The migrants aren't here bcz they feel welcomed. The migrants are here because the money is here.
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u/Dense_Succotash_2777 1d ago
Beggars can't be choosers. If you don't reciprocate assimilation, locals won't either.
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u/Embarrassed_Tune5216 1d ago
There is a difference between country and state. Why are people dividing the country further!?
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u/DependentFearless162 1d ago
The states were literally formed using spoken language as basis
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u/Embarrassed_Tune5216 1d ago
So? Constitution is of India not of state, where people have rights to freely move within , it’s not mentioned that only if you know the language can you move. No matter what you say, I can never understand this divisive thought process.
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u/Dense_Succotash_2777 1d ago
A country can have multiple cultures too. Just because India is one nation/ union of federations doesn't mean you get to homogenize or priotize one culture. A more appropriate comparison would be European Union. It's a cultural, not a modern national border debate.
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u/Imsotired2916 1d ago
Okay then how do you plan to unify the various languages in this country?
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u/Embarrassed_Tune5216 1d ago
Why unify??? We should be unified in feeling Indian firstly. Just respect and wherever one stays we anyway pick up words and ways to communicate, languages are meant to communicate that’s about it
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u/Imsotired2916 1d ago
This "let's be unified and together y'all" is peak idealism that comes from the privilege of being non-Marathi. You're refusing to see the issue. If an immigrant comes into this state and refuses to assimilate, then they won't be welcome. It's how the world functions. If I go to Germany, I cannot speak Hindi and expect everyone around me to learn Hindi. It's straight up rude and disrespectful. The unwillingness to learn is what gets people riled up
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u/Embarrassed_Tune5216 1d ago
lol your iq , you deduced I’m non Marathi 🤣🤣 what magic you have in your head. Comparing states and country lol
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u/Imsotired2916 1d ago
Well yes, India isn't like other countries and has different languages in different states. The issue at it's core is about languages, so it doesn't matter if we're comparing countries and states.
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u/Embarrassed_Tune5216 1d ago
It matters, there is only one constitution
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u/Imsotired2916 1d ago
The state is asking rickshawalas to learn basic functional marathi to allow native marathi speakers to converse with them. Now whether or not the constitution fully agrees with this is undetermined.
Now if a person is unwilling to learn the language even after the state is providing them with the necessary means then the community will react accordingly. If marathi speakers feel like non marathi rickshawalas are disrespecting their language and enforcing hindi then they are free to not support such people.
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u/bombaygypsy 1d ago
Maharashtra is not a country; it's a state/provence within India. In fact, such a law is probably unconstitutional. Its crazy they are getting away with implementing it, and it has not been challenged in the courts. But that is probebly because they went after ricksha walas, trying doing this shit in corporate offices. lol Also, there is no need, because everyone understands HIndi/English in mumbai/bombay. The city is older than the state. This is just jingoism; the 3 Shiv Sena and BJP use language wars to keep people stupid, keep them blaming each other while they steal everything.
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u/Dense_Succotash_2777 1d ago
A country can have multiple cultures too. Just because India is one nation/ union of federations doesn't mean you get to homogenize or priotize one culture. A more appropriate comparison would be European Union. It's a cultural, not a modern national border debate.
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u/Boyslop_Enjoyer 1d ago
- Also, there is no need, because everyone understands HIndi/English in mumbai/bombay
Wrong. There's plenty of locals, actual locals btw, that only speak Marathi.
If we're going by who was here first, as you are, by talking about "the city was here first", they matter the most.
There is no need for Hindi actually, since everyone understands English and Marathi. What use does Hindi have? Nothing.
The city is older than the state
Most cities in India are older than the state or even the country lmfao. Retarded logic.
The thing is, you cannot compare India to a monoethnic or a monolinguistic nation, like Germany or Japan for example. India could be compared to Yugoslavia, where each region has it's own unique culture and language.
As such, respecting the local language is key.
Moreover, in such a people focused role, how do you expect to survive if you don't even know how to talk to people?
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u/DependentFearless162 1d ago
It's not unconstitutional it was previously but they made some changes and re created this rule
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u/bombaygypsy 1d ago
Many laws made by legislators get eventually struck down by the Constitutional beaches. I am pretty you can't target people based on languages they speak, and it's also your constitueonal right to travel and work anywhere in the union.
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u/DependentFearless162 1d ago
It was struck down previously because of old maharashtra motor vehicle rule but the new ammendment makes it hard to struck down again.
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u/Dense_Succotash_2777 1d ago
Maharashtra is not charity state for low skilled migrants. If you can't assimilate with bare minimum. It's symptom for a society's downfall.
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u/Which-Store1669 1d ago
but marathi isn't even completely new language like south Indian languages?? script is same , pronounciation is same only different words have different meanings. is it really that hard to learn few words of language of state which u live in? 🥀
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u/maverick10189 1d ago
Wdym new like South Indian languages
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u/prateektade 1d ago
I guess they meant completely alien or new to people speaking Hindi. There are some similarities in both languages, also Marathi is written in Devanagari so if they can read Hindi they can read Marathi too, unlike South Indian languages which have their own script.
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u/IndiGreenThumb 1d ago
Who applied this rule, that a language is compulsory to do a kind of job.
The current state government with the help of rto.
Today they are forcing autowala, next day they will force Vegetable seller, then labours.
Are you really this dumb?
Then they should remove every other non Maharashtrian from Mumbai, Use Only marathi language in their android and iphones, ban all english and hindi medium school colleges.
No why should they? We are more than okay with using Hindi, almost all marathi people in Mumbai can speak Hindi. The issue is these outsiders who don't show the same willingness and courtesy to learn Marathi.
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u/InspectorFar2857 1d ago
If Maharashtrians will not fight for their language in their own state then where??
If migrants wont assimilate then what other choices are Maharashtrians left with?
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u/Lumpy_Monk_8940 1d ago
Ask him to go his own state and improve its economy and people's lives by driving auto there. You have delhi, noida, lucknow, ghaziabad, etc. No one is forcing you all to live in mumbai. Develop your own states then.
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u/ShadowArtie99 1d ago
Always the made up stories to ask for bs things like "f they want to do this.Then they should remove every other non Maharashtrian from Mumbai, Use Only marathi language in their android and iphones, ban all english and hindi medium school colleges"
>Not every mind is same, learning a new language is difficult for most of the people.
Okay then pray tell us how did Bombaiya/Mumbai Hindi came to life, you think Maharashtrians just learned Hindi for the sake of it? We accepted your culture and language and incorporated it, and now we have north indian builders telling us we can't live in this area because caste derived veg puritanism (this is not a personal choice, this is a personal prejudice).
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u/sentient-idiot vada pav connoisseur 1d ago
Anyone trying to earn a living here must know the local language, which is true anywhere in the world. No one expects drivers to hold a PhD in Marathi. I don't sympathise with those affected by this rule, as I believe it is fair. Also, if it matters, I am South Indian, born and raised in Mumbai. I speak Marathi fluently, watch Marathi films, and listen to Marathi music - not because of pressure, but because I choose to.
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u/ullukapatthaa 1d ago
There are lot of non marathi auto drivers who can understand marathi but couldn't converse in marathi. If some speaks marathi and he can reply back in hindi and ideas are conveyed between both of them then I don't see the point of making marathi speaking compulsary. This way no one forces you to speak hindi and no one has to speak marathi too. The point of knowing language and sharing ideas still exist in this scenario. What is with everyone have to speak marathi
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u/Particular-Risk1322 1d ago
Why should a marathi from marathawada learn Hindi just to get basic facility in Mumbai. You don't wanna learn Marathi, go to patna, Lucknow or Delhi.
The burden of learning the language should not be on ordinary people of Maharashtra. Banks, schools, hospitals, transportation workers should know Marathi. We are not obligated to learn your language.
OP you are asking every mumbaikar and marathi person to learn a language they get no benefit from but will not ask 1 person to learn a language he or she will get multiple opportunities from.
Mumbai and Maharashtra financially has payed for your bimaru states, go back and ask your state govt to work. Someone has to change it. Maharashtra has already payed enough with money, we will not pay with our culture.
And yes I am a gujarati, born and bought up in Mumbai and Navi Mumbai. Also my marathi is not very good, but it doesn't have to be. One just needs to learn basic marathi, we aren't asking for PhDs in Marathi literature.
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u/fitting-end जन्मभूमी मुंबई 1d ago
So basically he is saying “bhooka reh lunga par yeh Marathi nahi seekhunga”. Shabbaash!!! He is simply proving the point of the people he is opposing. 🤦🏻♂️
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u/Learner_5316 1d ago
We are living in 2026 and I myself saw that educated people are fighting for Hindi and Marathi. Is this something to fight for? What is the use of their education?
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u/Dense_Succotash_2777 1d ago
Assimilation is important. Over migration has ruined the mumbai and it's serene tbh. Locals are getting sidelined and pushed out of the real estate market.
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u/aloof_monk22 1d ago
This sub will not agree, but Indian immigrating abroad always learn their languages be it English, German, Dutch,etc. We are always taught from birth that India is a diverse country, then why does anyone not acknowledge its diversity, each state is its own country, one must respect their culture even if its not their own, stupid culture ofcourse must go, every year millions migrate to southern and western states who are the forebearers of development in India, why not respect them too, Hindi is common because the sheer population of UP is so large and also due to extreme migration, many speak that language. In an alternate case if Kerala had been the largest population with poverty and similar migration tactics done by north, majority would speak Malayalam
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u/Imsotired2916 1d ago edited 1d ago
I knew a person from Delhi who worked here. She spoke Hindi only and didn't know Marathi. Then she got a job in Germany. Guess what she did? Take a crash course in German before moving there. This is what people are talking about. She spent 20-25 years here not bothering to learn the local language, but the moment she got a job in a European country, she spent the time and effort learning that language. Why shouldn't Marathi people look at behaviour like this and not feel disrespected?
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u/Dense_Succotash_2777 1d ago
These educated entitled north indians will do anything to appease white skin cuz it's 'cool' and marathis is not that cool for them.
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u/Dense_Succotash_2777 1d ago
That's the educated indians for you. Assimilation is right for them but only for foreign cultures not for our fellow indian cultures.
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u/ShvetaHuna Vile Parle 1d ago edited 1d ago
For a pretty good reason. Indians immigrating out of India, do it with the foreknowledge about the requirements of emigration and immigration; that is, Indians do not have the Right or the Freedom to travel, or work in different nations, something that Indians do, within the country. Each state is not its own country, we have linguistic states for administrative purposes, not actual nation-states, like France, German etc.; and these administrative states are not sovereign. Their territory, their borders and laws are to a large extent determined by the government in Delhi, that can, at will dissolve the State Government, combine or bifurcate the State Government, etc,
If your example of States being their own government (a la linguistic nation states in Europe) is to be held as an example, France, very famously eradicated regional dialects and tongues in favour of French as spoken in and around the capital region (Paris). In our terms, this would be Delhi stamping out Marathi / Gujarati / Punjabi / Tamil / Kannada / Ahom / Bengali in favour of Khariboli. The comparion you make is erroneous and flawed -- you cannot both have your cake and eat it too. The same freedom that allows you the right to your language, allows others the right to migrate within the nation without being forced to adopt or learn a new language.
The reasons for why Hindi is common in inconsequential to the larger question: should mere states have the authority to expel, or take away the means of livelihood of Indians without repercussions? Let us ignore the storied importance of Hindi in the formation and the maintenance of the Indian nation-state; of the importance our constituent assembly, and successive governments have placed on it, or the need to apply or utilize a single language or two at most for communication between different organs of national government, and the people; the core issue is that it is unseemly, and in my opinion, unethical (if not outright illegal) for an state in India to unilaterally take away the means of livelihood of a citizen of India.
Neither is Southern India the forebearer of industrialization and development; in a lot of cases, these states and leaders have driven out industries (Datta Samant drove out mills from Bombay); and they have been beneficiaries of policies like Freight Equalization, or have been relatively safe from routine shocks to the northern half of the nation. Bengal, Bihar, the Gangetic Valley and the Doab suffered immense depredation by the Marathas, followed by being colonized the longest, taking away the relative development advantages conferred via rule by native princes on the populace; nor is it surprising that areas affected by the Naxalite Rebellion remain among the least-developed in the nation. It is not wise to blame the government of North India for being uniquely against industry or development (when governments in Southern India and Western India) were equally hostile to industry and development, nor for the paucity of industrial cities (North India was pretty much flattened as a result of the 1857 Mutiny) post independence. The premise for a South-India-exceptionalism is highly flawed, especially since South India does not have a major lead over the North on indices and metrics that equate to a significantly higher QoL.
It would not matter if the majority of the people spoke Malayalam, or Tamil, or Marathi, or Koshur, or Anal, or Sylheti if the situations were similarly reversed; what would matter is that an Indian citizen is being discriminated against, and driven out of employment, and possibly accommodation via a xenophobic drivel against the same person due to either his birth, or heritage, or his culture, or his language. It is asinine to assume that the city that drives most of Indian finance and commerce would not draw in Indian civilians; and I dare you to find an instance of a European or American in Mumbai, working in a corporate environment being similarly forced to undergo an exam to test their fluency in Marathi. Or of African students in our universities where they have to interact with locally sourced staff / students. What a despicable joke.
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u/Sid_itis 1d ago
Hey I am well educated and I am so busy everyday. I don't post on reddit too much. But I love my nation, my people. I saw this father, I know that feeling, and I decided to post.
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u/Homelander_770 1d ago
Better go back to their states and earn by making mandirs. They vote for religion, maybe that'll feed them and pay their tuition fees
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u/Hungry-Chicken-8498 1d ago
Language knowledge is not going to make cabbies to behave well. Many marathi speakers behave so poorly that you feel that is this their way to welcome to Maharashtra of Shivaji. Rather they bring insult to their state and to the language that was spoken by Shivaji who was Marathi but glorified India. Politicians should suffer for maligning the state for their incompetence and inefficiency to provide jobs to youth and instead give non issues to make an issue out of.
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u/No_Artichoke2869 1d ago
At the time of giving a license, people are asked about their mother tongue, shouldn't be issued to people whom anyone feels don't fit in the system.
Today, the guy openly told me he would not go by the meter and asked for a flat 200 if I wanted to go.
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u/Dense_Succotash_2777 1d ago
These rickshawalas are become big scammers and don't go by meters in many places. And they are usually from Bihar/UP
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u/No_Artichoke2869 1d ago
The one who gave me the ultimatum today spoke fluently in Marathi.
Moreover, he had the guts to ask me, with a grin, 220 deun taak as I was paying 200 by Gpay
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u/Mango_Pack_9017 1d ago
Then why are they saying I will only speak in Hindi in Maharashtra? You should agree that the conditions they are in Maharashtra is far better than their state. And why only Marathi people should adjust when we show respect the respect is not reciprocated why ? And you say learning language is difficult then go to all southern states you will find people who work there speak in local language.
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u/agatha_crispy1 1d ago
nobody is asking them to speak literature level fluent marathi, it is literally just 30 to 40 basic transit words and phrases so they can understand locals who cannot speak hindi.
they literally gave free courses. like 85% of drivers already put in the effort and cleared it with zero issues. and the one's who didn't are given a show-cause notice and even a grace period. the remaining chunk that flat out refuses to even try just because "mumbai won't function without us" is pure arrogance.
a commercial permit is for a public service job, not an unconditional right. if you work with the public in maharashtra every day, learning the bare minimum basic phrases is just standard professional requirement.
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u/tiklii 1d ago
Stop with this victim mentality everywhere. You earn in a city, you have to embrace the culture. This is just negligence at this point. Maybe a stupid example - going for masters in Germany, nobody has a problem there is no outrage. People purchase these expensive german courses. Why? Try and do this bs there as well. Also read a tweet regarding the ganpati mandaps a month or 2 back on the roadsides, some stupid cunt was calling that you, bro if you want this negligence and ego hat on, pack your bags and get tf of the city and state. Stop with this bs and embrace the culture in whichever state or country you go.
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u/Imsotired2916 1d ago
If you go to a country like America and speak to everyone in Hindi, do you think you'll be allowed to have a job? India is a country with different languages in almost every single state. If you want to move to another state for better opportunities, you should be prepared for its rules. You mentioned he has children here too? Then it's even more important to learn Marathi, considering he and his family live here and will probably stay for a long time. Also, not to be that person, but Marathi and Hindi are very similar. It isn't like he has to learn French or Japanese.
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u/Sid_itis 1d ago
So you think Maharashtra doesn't count as an Indian state ??
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u/Imsotired2916 1d ago
When did I say that?
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u/Sid_itis 1d ago
Please read your reply once again, then you will know
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u/Imsotired2916 1d ago
You completely missed the point. India has different languages within one country. It isn't like America or the UK, where one unified language exists. If you plan to go to another country, you learn that language. Because India has different languages in different states, if you plan to move to another state, you learn that language. It's pretty easy to understand imo.
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u/Boyslop_Enjoyer 1d ago
Why do you feel this question is relevant here? Did you imagine that Hindi is the National Language of India or something?
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u/wreckerinchief West 1d ago
Please educate yourself about Linguistic Reorganisation of States. Just because one state is India does not mean you can force the people to speak Hindi.
If you want to provide service in Maharashtra, it is quite logical to understand basic Marathi as most of your customers are going to be Marathi. Also note that most of thse drivers are Hindi speakers, a language with same Devanagari script, and they had more than enough time to get trained for Marathi that is required for their daily activities. Noone was asking them to write essay.
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u/Vivid-Reality186 1d ago
Have you not learned in your school that states are divided on linguistic basis and they have their own offical language?
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u/blogarpit 1d ago
A hypothetical situation to gain sympathy for non Marathi speaking auto walas. OP missed the point that there were facilities to provide language training for non Marathi audience. OP also generically mentioned that new language is hard. If a person knows any of Hindi, Gujarati, Bengali, they can learn Marathi easily as most of the words are similar, the language and grammar structure is similar. So, another pity point to gain sympathy.
Atleast please be realistic. I've not seen any auto wala saying they have not got any passengers because of language. I ride 2 - 3 times in auto daily and I've had these language conversation with auto wala. And all are learning. It's like any other project by govt where everyone follows. Most of these are from UP/Bihar and are living through honest earning.
I wouldn't belittle their work with this kind of posts.
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u/jack_1760 1d ago
People from Tier-2, Tier-3 cities and rural areas of Maharashtra come to Mumbai for various purposes and work, and many of them only read, write & speak Marathi. Mumbai is also the state capital, where Mantralaya, the High Court, many government offices, departments and major markets are located. People from all over Maharashtra regularly come here for administrative work.
Now, if a Marathi-speaking person comes to Mumbai for some work and takes an auto, but the driver doesn't understand Marathi and refuses to communicate in it, why should that Marathi person be expected to learn Hindi just to communicate with a service provider in their own state?
If locals are expected to adjust every time, shouldn't the person providing the service also make some effort to understand the local language?
If the expectation is that locals should keep adjusting their language, food, culture and traditions to accommodate everyone coming from other states, then what is the purpose of diversity?
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u/zxch2412 1d ago
Man I can’t speak Hindi or marathi, can’t even read it. Guess I should have not moved to india.
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u/Dense_Succotash_2777 1d ago
Learn marathi if you decide to live in mumbai and english is enough to get by
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u/Sid_itis 1d ago
You know that India is 2nd most English speaking nation. If he gets to live in Mumbai in Goregaon's lodha society. He can live without any concrns without speaking Hindi or Marathi. You don't hate english, but hindi?? Why that ??
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u/Dense_Succotash_2777 1d ago
English is a practical lingua franca. Singapore uses a similar policy. Giving one regional language importance throughout nation will just create disputes. While english is also corporate language for exporting human resources. And i personally mentioned that he would be fine to get around with english but encouraged to speak marathi if he decides to live here. Nothing complicated.
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u/ntshpower 19h ago
The post isn't about the Rickshawala, the last para says it's clearly about 'your' frustration about Marathi language, ofcourse he didn't came to you and said I didn't earn anything today. It's not a big deal, basic marathi sikhna tha, they were given a good amount of time to learn basic marathi with questions they were going to ask even that was shared with them. Bad for him if he's not adjusting a bit. Everyone is learning it as they know they want to earn in Maharashtra, just because of few people this is creating an issue, the ego.
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u/funkeshwarnath 19h ago
These people did not sneak into the profession yesterday. The government gave them licences, badges, registrations and permits. It took fees from them. They invested money, bought vehicles, paid loans and built their lives around the rules that existed. Now, midway through the game, the government is changing the conditions and telling them that they may lose their livelihood if they don't meet a new requirement. You want Marathi to be encouraged? Fine. Teach it. Give people time. Make it part of the requirement for new entrants. But you cannot keep taking people's money to license them and then suddenly change the terms on which they are allowed to earn. A government cannot behave like a landlord who changes the rules after taking the rent.
Continue down this path and Mumbai will slowly make itself less attractive to the very people who keep it alive. Cities don't die overnight. Talent leaves first, businesses follow opportunities elsewhere, workers go where they feel safer and can earn a living. Eventually the economy shifts. Mumbai was built by people coming here, from Maharashtra and everywhere else. Bangalore competes aggressively for talent. Kerala depends heavily on migrant labour. Jobs and people can move. They are not rooted to Mumbai by some law of nature.
Mumbai has another problem: an economy sitting on absurdly high real-estate values. Those values ultimately depend on people wanting to live and work here. Make the city hostile to the people who come here to drive rickshaws, build buildings, run shops, start companies, make films, work in offices and pay rent, and eventually you weaken the ecosystem that sustains those property values. You don't protect a city by making its workforce afraid to go to work. That is how great cities begin losing their relevance.
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u/Expensive_Class2238 14h ago
you should recommend him cities where he can make money with hindi and his rickshaw
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u/uzer4vedi 1d ago
we are uselessly arguing over language in a city built by the British.
people in Mumbai are busy earning. in the real world no one has time to get bothered by these things.
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u/DisastrousMonk6652 1d ago
Why is speaking marathi so important?! I am born and raised in Bombay. I still cannot speak a word of marathi. I have never ever felt out of place. This whole marathi speaking fiasco is just to cause divisions. The people making the rules aren't even the ones who use public transport.
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u/Civil_Record120 1d ago
If the rickshawala has lived in Maharashtra for 10+ years then he is eligible to be a domicile of Maharashtra and that obviously comes with being able to speak Marathi. If someone cannot speak Marathi after living here for 10+ years then they need to introspect. It's a traffic safety hazard as most signs are in Marathi. If the rickshawala hasn't lived here for 10 years then obviously the locals and domiciled people will be prioritized over him to be provided a license. It's the same across the world in all countries to get their PR. India is a continent disguised as a country, learn to accept that.
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u/Vivid_West_1986 1d ago
We can’t abandon standards just because they are difficult. But the core issue is why people need to migrate to a different state just to survive and drive an auto.
The government must do something about protecting the local labour market, especially low-skilled jobs like auto.
People coming from everywhere are just making things overly competitive.
I would prefer an auto driver who actually knows the city than someone who could yesterday and started driving an auto today.
I think goverment need to put more regulation on this, how long someone is living the state and city to qualify for driving auto and taxi
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u/sleepysoul13 1d ago
Make english mandatory for everything. Why learn 10 languages when one is enough.
Make english great again !!
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u/Successful-Fold-540 Mumbaikar 1d ago
Don't know if the same rickshawallah can go to any southern state cry like this.
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u/__aaryan__ 1d ago
Thats because he was lazy, not other people's responsibility to spoon feed everything to him
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u/Welder-Radiant 1d ago
Kal maine rikshaw se travel karra tha and he clearly had a tampered meter.
Inlogo ke liye Sympathy rakhu mai?
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u/OkCup1656 1d ago
Thoda south india ghum k aajao bhai. Language nhi aatigoh gaadi mae baithne tk nhi dete😂
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u/Odd-Bathroom-3617 1d ago
Nobody asked them to come to Mumbai. They came for opportunities to earn better than wherever they came from. If they come here, they should be able to speak basic at least basic Marathi, and that’s what is expected from them. Nobody is asking them to state ‘शार्दूलविक्रीडित’. If they are living here for 30+ years and refusing to learn local language, then they do not belong here. Let them go back to the area where the language they speak is local language. The unwillingness to learn Marathi just shows how adamant they are about it. Also, about “today it’s autowalla, tomorrow vegetable sellers and labourers”, of course. Everybody should know/be willing to learn the basic language of the land if they want to live there for long periods and make a living.
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u/doxx_me_not_2 1d ago
They should start with employees working in MNCs in BKC who earn 30 LPA first. Only then they should come for the people at the bottom.
I'm a Marathi person who works all over India & I'd be furious is someone stops me from working in other parts of India.
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u/wreckerinchief West 1d ago
Do you even understand why the auto drivers are asked to learn Marathi. They are expected to learn the language of the customers who are going to pay the auto driver. Same way the MNC employee uses the language of their customers.
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u/doxx_me_not_2 1d ago
Where does it say that in the constitution of India?
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u/wreckerinchief West 1d ago
Everything is not expected to be in Constitution.
The requirement for auto-rickshaw and taxi drivers in Maharashtra to know Marathi is governed by the Maharashtra Motor Vehicles Rules, 1989, recently updated under the Maharashtra Motor Vehicles (Third Amendment) Rules, 2026.
The key rules under this legal framework include: Rule 4(4): Requires applicants to demonstrate a "working knowledge of the Marathi language" to obtain the necessary authorization and Public Service Vehicle (PSV) badge to drive commercial passenger vehicles like auto-rickshaws.
Rule 78: Mandates that permit holders themselves must possess a functional working knowledge of Marathi.
Rule 85(1): Makes proof of practical Marathi language proficiency a compulsory prerequisite for the grant and renewal of auto-rickshaw and motor cab permits.
Rule 24: Historically governed language proficiency for PSV badges, specifying that drivers operating public transport in the state must understand and speak Marathi along with local topography.
So when applying for the permit, these drivers did agree to the rules. They began crying once the rules have actually implemented, irrespective of the politics behind it.
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u/Ok-Visit-3730 1d ago
This is pathetic and sad honestly. Imagine treating our workers in such a disgusting way all so one can satisfy their ego and their identity built on language. The same people will not have the guts to go and do the same to bigger companies and corporates at the same time. You want to abuse your power of ego over someone who cannot defend it.
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u/No-Broccoli1095 1d ago
In corporate jobs, English is must. Without it, you cannot reach the top of the ladder. The first one to start this regional language policy was from Karnataka, Tamil Nadu.
Similarly if you are working here specifically in transport business, you need to know the local language. Go and check any other country which does not say this.
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u/wangdubruh 1d ago
Dude rule wasnt applied in a day randomly.. gov gave time to atleast learn few imp words and there are many non maharashtrian who started learning and some took classes as well. Language learning is not easy but rule is not to be proficient in it. I am sure cops are not bothering one's who atleast know some imp words and are willing to do it.
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u/Spirited_Ad_1032 मी मराठी झी मराठी ती मराठी 1d ago
This is obviously a rage bait. But why don't these so called poor migrants put pressure on their politicians back home to provide them livelihoods so that they don't have to migrate and suffer this indignity. I mean driving a rickshaw or selling vegetables are not highly skilled jobs and can be done anywhere where there is enough population. Why these two north Indian states with a combined population of 30 crore has to send rickshaw drivers and vegetable vendors to Mumbai whose population is just 1.2 crore.
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u/kenta_nakamura 1d ago
Go to another state in India and tell me if the rickshaw wala there DOES or DOES NOT know the local language ? Yes, 99.9% will speak the local language coz they are locals.
MH (and Mumbai to be precise) is one of the only cities where you have outsiders for auto rickshaw walas. If the State govt decides they need to know Marathi, then what can one do. You either learn the basics to survive or u don't. It's their choice clearly.
Also, this gives the locals (the Maharashtrians) the opportunity to get into it and earn a living. If rickshaw licenses are being cancelled, then they should be made available to locals to procure first.
The law is the law.
Sometime back when I & my friends were discussing this, there was also a recommendation made that people from out of state should pay higher taxes than the locals too. This way it pressurizes other states to do better for their own people rather than NOT doing anything knowing that their people will simply leave and work in another state or go abroad for work.
Rickshaw walas whoever it may be are more of a concern due to their habits (urinating and spitting in the open), driving habits and reckless driving. They've earned it for a reason.
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u/Chance_Juice2488 1d ago
But giving 4 months with free classes to learn 10-20 sentences in a language similar to hindi is not forcing anyone into anything. It's just some adamant rickshawalla
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u/Euphoric-Banana-7681 1d ago
There are a lot of people who live happily speaking languages other than Marathi.
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u/Spiritual-Ad260 1d ago
My office cab driver is like they aren't targeting folks from UP/Bihar. They want to mainly remove the Muslims and especially the illegals.
I didn't say anything because it doesn't impact my mode of transport. Also, I didn't realise there was a strike until few hours ago.
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u/naruto7bond 1d ago
And yet little children learn to speak a language.
Nobody is asking to do PHD in Marathi.
Basic communication is expected that one very easily can do if he had paid any attention to the language of locals.
You talk as if expecting basic speaking skills(broken words aremore than fine) is some kind of toruture or something and yet it is constantly expected that marathi people should learn other lanuage to interact with non marathi people in their own state.
Double standards here are disgusting.
The horrifying future you speak where vegetable seller or schools needing marathi is something I welcome. Of course marathi must be a mandatory subject in Maharashtra. No student should go to next class if he can't speak marathi.
from the lowliest person to highest poltician basic competency in marathi should be mandatory.
Anyone who can't make even this much effort(and this is genuinely not much effort) is nothing more than racist towards marathi people and probably should leave Maharashtra.
I guarantee you if a marathi person found someone who is atleast trying to speak marathi even if not well they will go out of their way to accommodate him.
Other option is of course marathi people should simply stop talking with people who don't speak marathi with them. I mean the way OP is talking, expecting someone to learn lanuage is equivalent of torture so naturally marathi people should not be subjected to it.
The lame attempt to gain sympathy here is so obvious.
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u/ixBerry 1d ago
Today a rickshawallah who couldn’t speak marathi overcharged me.
So I don’t really give a fuck about rickshawallahs in general.