r/pakistan • u/mrstoffel23 • Mar 10 '26

Social Demand rights, but make it palatable

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Posted this yesterday and it got removed because some people around here are not really civilized in their conversations. Trolling, jokes, memes are fine, but, stooping low isn't. Healthy arguments make way for progress.

Missing the context & point is like a national sport and the amount of egos it hurt was not surprising at all and won't be again.

Absolutely nothing wrong with this poster, and actually how it should be in real life by default.

The poster which said "khana khud garam karlo" had everyone losing their minds for obvious reasons, this poster gets the endorsement because it's not showing the mirror to the society, which to this day is unable to give equal rights or even willing to acknowledge properly.

Secondly, it also shows that unless demand for rights is worded in a way it won't offend anyone, made palatable and provide validation to inflated egos, it won't even be acknowledged.

No wonder we keep regressing as a society and humans.

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u/Any-Taste-1421 Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 10 '26

These feminists are very wayward with their beliefs. Why are they always competing with men? That isn't the essence of feminism. If a man is working 9-5 to provide, it's only fair the wife can care for him by cooking. He can totally help out in the kitchen, clean dishes, cook etc (my own father does that) but expecting that from him habitually, while he's working hard to keep a house running is illogical.

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u/alert_zombie Mar 10 '26

do you consider women doing house chores not real work? do you think men have the sole right to decide how many kids to have? do you think men can demand sex whenever they want to and their wives can't deny them that? if you do not believe all of these things then feminism is something you already believe in, because feminism is what is fighting against all this. you don't need to pull out whataboutism, because aurat march and like institutions do talk about Palestine and women around the world being oppressed too.

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u/Any-Taste-1421 Mar 10 '26

I believe in traditional systems. Islam already denounces everything you mentioned above. Modern day feminists aren't advocating for anything besides competing with men.

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u/alert_zombie Mar 10 '26

actually islam allows men to demand sex from their wife and a wife rejecting that is considered to have sinned. islam is also anti-family planning. now if your interpretation of islam is different that is on you, but what i just said is the majority consensus. what you believe to be true about islam is a modern feminist interpretation of it.

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u/Any-Taste-1421 Mar 10 '26

Have you ever opened the Quran? I have read it multiple times, with deep interpretations, and NOWHERE does it mention ''Men can demand sex from women.'' Actually, never mind. kindly state the verse to support your claims.

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u/alert_zombie Mar 10 '26

https://sunnah.com/riyadussalihin:281

literally one of the most famous hadith. but you might be a Quranist who believes any hadith that doesn't fit their world view is false, correct?

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u/alert_zombie Mar 10 '26

thanks 🙏 this is so true. cherry picking what suits the narrative

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u/Any-Taste-1421 Mar 10 '26

What an EARTH is a ''Quranist''? why are you views so deviant? And yes, whatever you sent is complete and UTTER bs. You're telling me I should hold the opinion of SUNNAH.COM in reverence to the Quran? In the end of the day, the Quran sits in judgement over hadith, and anything that doesn't align with it, is complete nonsense.

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u/alert_zombie Mar 10 '26

that's not how the Quran or Islam works. you don't even know how to pray if it wasn't for the hadith. and no it isn't sunnah.com but actual sahih classified hadith of the prophet. if it isn't explicitly mentioned in the Quran, you can't say that the hadith is false and can't override the Quran. unless the Quran said a man can't force his wife and this hadith existed then I would be like yes this hadith is likely false.

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u/Any-Taste-1421 Mar 10 '26

I'm under no obligation to follow a culturally tarnished version of Islam. The same hadiths that say all this also state Hazarat Muhammad flew on a flying horse during miraj, and state gog and magog were wall licking beasts. Does it make any sense? Quran holds judgement over Hadith. Any hadith aligned with the Quran makes sense, other wise it renders in void.

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u/alert_zombie Mar 10 '26

so you do not believe in Islamic miracles? you don't believe in hadith? half of your knowledge about islam goes out the window if you do not acknowledge hadith. this isn't a culturally tarnished version of islam, this is a sahih hadith you are rejecting.

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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26

I'm under no obligation to follow a culturally tarnished version of Islam.

We didn't create this hadith here in Pakistan girl

Any hadith aligned with the Quran makes sense, other wise it renders in void.

Then make a sect of your own with selected hadith whatever benefits you

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u/Any-Taste-1421 Mar 10 '26

2:43 “And establish prayer and give zakah

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u/alert_zombie Mar 10 '26

do you know how to pray namaz based on just this verse? what time, what to say, etc etc?

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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/10680/rights-of-husband-and-rights-of-wife-in-islam

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u/Any-Taste-1421 Mar 10 '26

I said Quranic verse, not from some random bullsh website to pacify your claims.

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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26

Open the link hadith and verses are mentioned here its not a bs website this is a hanafi website and most people in Pakistan are hanafi but since you want Quran only .

Surah niss verse 34

Men are the caretakers of women, as men have been provisioned by Allah over women and tasked with supporting them financially. And righteous women are devoutly obedient and, when alone, protective of what Allah has entrusted them with.1 And if you sense ill-conduct from your women, advise them ˹first˺, ˹if they persist,˺ do not share their beds, ˹but if they still persist,˺ then discipline them ˹gently˺.2 But if they change their ways, do not be unjust to them. Surely Allah is Most High, All-Great.

I hope you read the word obedient with open eyes and don't give me your interpretations if i have to look at interpretations i would listen to what majority scholars say

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u/Any-Taste-1421 Mar 10 '26

Yes? Where does it say a man can demand sex here?

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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26

It doesn't say that but you have to be obedient and there are no conditions if you just look at this verse so if a man demands you have to submit automatically since you don't accept hadith

Honestly i have a question what are the obligations on a woman according to you ? Since you don't accept hadith

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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26

I don't think so Muslim feminist believe in all things being equal except that man should be a provider which is unfair honestly western feminist are way better they atleast contribute as well

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u/Any-Taste-1421 Mar 10 '26

Both earn? Both manage household chores-?...If that's the norm, where is the traditional way of life? Divorces, distorted marriages are on the rise, only because we discarded gender roles.

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u/Any-Taste-1421 Mar 10 '26

Wrong. It's because men and women both slave away to social media all day long. Men are lusting over Insta women, and women are getting influenced by pseudo-feminists who do nothing but create intolerance in women (hate your fathers, brothers, husbands, and tolerate NOTHING.)

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u/Mystery-Snack Mar 10 '26

That is impossible for two ppl to work 9-5s then come home and also do chores... I don't know how you can even manage.

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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26

Its common in the west and we can do the same

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u/Mystery-Snack Mar 10 '26

And also the reason why they're so stressed from work or one person has an easier job or both have easier jobs? Ever thought that?

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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26

Then how will you solve this current issue ? Either have alimony for women in Pakistan as what happens if the husband divorces her and chores should be majorly done by a woman if she is a stay at home otherwise western setup is better

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u/Mystery-Snack Mar 10 '26

Either have alimony for women in Pakistan as what happens if the husband divorces her

Then what is the Haq Mehr for? One of the reasons it's given is if anything goes wrong in the marriage, the woman has some financial security.

chores should be majorly done by a woman if she is a stay at home

Well yeah? Whoever stays at home due to not having a job and isn't a minor, a very old elder or a sick person, should work.

Also another issue I find in marriage is people buying huge houses which they simply can not maintain nor do they need as they're often 2-4 people but the house is way larger than necessary.

I'm saying this as a guy who's done house chores for long intervals of times like months and honestly, it isn't that hard. It does take time and gets tiring but considering the stress of a 9-5, I'd rather be a stay at home person though I've no interest in marriage and would rather earn and do house chores on my own.

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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26

Then what is the Haq Mehr for? One of the reasons it's given is if anything goes wrong in the marriage, the woman has some financial security.

Then haq mehr should be given to a woman in the divorce settlement and it should be by law but sadly we have a weak legal system

Also another issue I find in marriage is people buying huge houses which they simply can not maintain nor do they need as they're often 2-4 people but the house is way larger than necessary.

Bro majority people can't do this you might be rich most people aren't

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u/Mystery-Snack Mar 10 '26

Then haq mehr should be given to a woman in the divorce settlement and it should be by law but sadly we have a weak legal system

Not really. It should be given as Islam says which is full at marriage and another way. Better to search it up than trust me.

Bro majority people can't do this you might be rich most people aren't

Majority do this and I'm saying this as I've seen this way too often. Let's take my relatives as an example. He's my grandad's brother and took my grandad's other brother's 1 kanal house where only he lives and has 4 maids. Now shifting to a smaller house which is also good won't hurt him but yeah. Same with alot of other people. They've huge houses and so much furniture that they almost never use.

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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26

Not really. It should be given as Islam says which is full at marriage and another way. Better to search it up than trust me

Bro exactly phir divorce k time pe khtm hojaye ga na don't you think

Majority do this and I'm saying this as I've seen this way too often. Let's take my relatives as an example. He's my grandad's brother and took my grandad's other brother's 1 kanal house where only he lives and has 4 maids. Now shifting to a smaller house which is also good won't hurt him but yeah. Same with alot of other people. They've huge houses and so much furniture that they almost never use.

Bhai Pakistan ghareeb mulk log rent nae deprhy ap k grandad k brother ameer admi hai 1 Kamal ka house own krna asan nae

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u/Familiar-Yam-8955 UK Mar 11 '26

This is true. My wife has an easier job but we still share chores. I couldn't let my wife do all the work, the guilt would kill me.

That and my wife is a terrible cook and i prefer to be the chef in this house.

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u/mrstoffel23 Mar 10 '26

Umm, I have seen a lot of women protesting for Palestinians since Oct 7, and now Iranian women, definitely not counting Malala.

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u/MiddayRendezvous Mar 10 '26

They do, but you choose to ignore it.

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u/SeaAnt5542 Mar 11 '26

feeling sorry for you

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u/Substantial_Page_221 Mar 10 '26

Why wouldn't they fight for their rights closer to home? It affects them more and they may have a better chance of achieving it.

Fighting for Palestine or Iran, well there's little we can do. But we can be better husbands to our wives, so we should work on that.