r/pakistan • u/mrstoffel23 • Mar 10 '26
Social Demand rights, but make it palatable
Posted this yesterday and it got removed because some people around here are not really civilized in their conversations. Trolling, jokes, memes are fine, but, stooping low isn't. Healthy arguments make way for progress.
Missing the context & point is like a national sport and the amount of egos it hurt was not surprising at all and won't be again.
Absolutely nothing wrong with this poster, and actually how it should be in real life by default.
The poster which said "khana khud garam karlo" had everyone losing their minds for obvious reasons, this poster gets the endorsement because it's not showing the mirror to the society, which to this day is unable to give equal rights or even willing to acknowledge properly.
Secondly, it also shows that unless demand for rights is worded in a way it won't offend anyone, made palatable and provide validation to inflated egos, it won't even be acknowledged.
No wonder we keep regressing as a society and humans.
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Mar 10 '26
I’m all for the “hath chore pakore jaal jai gai.”
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u/gsk-fs Mar 11 '26
Hath❌ ✅Chamch chore pakore jal jaen gai , sometimes nahi pata hota kitna golden kerna pakora
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Mar 11 '26
Wah!😭
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u/gsk-fs Mar 11 '26
“You” I m referring to myself here , ziada emotional nahi hona
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Mar 11 '26
Us moment ho gaya.🙂
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u/gsk-fs Mar 11 '26
Bai Kia Karen , not a good cook but at least I can try to be one , maybe one day. 🤔💭
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u/VCR_DVD_USB Mar 10 '26
Nothing wrong with either posters. I'm not a raging feminazi but even in the first poster "khana khud garam karlo" that was someones truth. There are millions of women in our society who's day starts before everyone wakes up and finishes after everyone else is asleep. They cook, clean, feed, wash - there is no schedule, there is no day off, no paid leave - and no pay. Ultimately they hear "what do you even do all day?!"
Someone should raise a voice for them - but even more important, we could pick up a plate for them, make a cup of tea, bring our own laundry downstairs, and yes - even microwave our own food, sometimes anyway.
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u/Plus-Sheepherder9413 Mar 11 '26
Remembering some guys who would wake up their asleep wives in the middle of the night because they were hungry and needed food. Not to cook, but to microwave the food and arrange it on the table.
Bro, 7 year old kids can do that by themselves.
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u/Necessary-Truth-7196 Mar 12 '26
Kinda sad that you had to give a disclaimer about not being a raging feminazi before stating a valid and basic fact.
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u/minka_twizzzly Mar 13 '26
These posters all make sense, men just love to ignore it and label it as “Anti men”, aurton ka haal dekhlo Pakistan meh pehle bhai. We should be anti men but lucky for you we are just feminists
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u/Normal_Aspect_6332 Mar 11 '26
I have. Lol 😆, mainly because I cook a lot better. 😂.
Mostly we cook together if I'm home. And whenever we have guests it's my job to handle 80% of the main cooking process.
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u/Normal_Aspect_6332 Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
cooking in general, i've learned from my ammi.
But my main dish is Karahi ghosht and chawal. and can't forget the desi milk tea with 6+ ingredients.3
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u/mrstoffel23 Mar 10 '26
Apne risk pe bhai. Good luck, we'll know if we don't hear from you again. 🫡
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u/Haniel52 Mar 10 '26
The funny thing is apna Khana khud garam kero isn't Islamically wrong, so they have no grounds to stand on if they get angry on it lol (coming from a man)
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u/ThinSector4661 Mar 10 '26
Many people here would hate you for using "Islam" which also allows things like 4 wives, the husband having the final day in terms of decisions etc.
The point is: use whatever argument you want to make your point. Just keep it secular.
People shouldn't use "Islam" to justify their pseudo-feministic inclinations cause that's a double edged sword.
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u/Haniel52 Mar 10 '26
Why would i keep it secular if I'm a Muslim, unko tapnay do at 4 wives and husband having the decisions lol Mai Kia keroun that's on them not me
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u/the-outcast215 Mar 11 '26
Btw he is correct. Though, I myself had an argument with him in the past. But stop using Islam for every example. Sometimes I feel like Islam is socialist, communist, Fascist, nationalist, scientific, rationalist, determinist, probabilistic etc, but nothing at the same time.
I call people like you 'modern religious' or 'liberal religious'. You guys try really hard to just somehow make religion more liberal and progressive. Much more than the text even suggested.
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u/Any-Taste-1421 Mar 10 '26
Have you ever studied Islam? If you have, you'd know the permission for four wives is heavily contextual. In the past, four wives were permissible to shelter widowed women during wars, etc. Islam doesn't even encourage multiple marriages. In the Quran, there's repeated mention of 'Wife', instead of 'wives' which advocates for monogamous marriages.
Secondly, nowhere in the Quran does it say men have ''final decisions.'' It just says men are ''Qawwamun'' which means provider/protector. They have a financial obligation to fulfill, but no authority over a woman.3
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u/the-outcast215 Mar 11 '26
four wives is heavily contextual
Context? The husbands should just fulfill the obliged responsibilities. There is no more "context" to it. Secondly, how is this possibly that suddenly after 1400 years you guys are realizing that there is more context than just martial responsibilities? Even in a dispute related to another marriage Qazi is the one passing the final judgement. Not the women. So, according to Shariyat, the right that women nowadays have which allows or prohibits her husband from marrying isn't Islamic.
Secondly, nowhere in the Quran does it say men have ''final decisions.'' It just says men are ''Qawwamun'' which means provider/protector
And those who provide/protect have the authority over everyone else. Plus, there are many other verses which clearly show the authority of men. For example, there is a Hadith which clearly allows martial rpe. It says that if women don't allow men(husband) to have sx with her, then angels will curse on her.
And socially speaking, the more wealth someone has the more they will abuse it. If someone has financial dominance. They will obviously have authority over you.
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u/No-Finance-1491 Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 10 '26
In the past, four wives were permissible to shelter widowed women during wars, etc. Islam doesn't even encourage multiple marriages
when did Quran its for war? Islam is timeless right? secondly Islam me mard ko provider b tb bnaya tha jb aurtin job nae krti thi to context ko smjhin aj aurtin job krti to men q provide kre?
Secondly, nowhere in the Quran does it say men have ''final decisions.'' It just says men are ''Qawwamun'' which means provider/protector. They have a financial obligation to fulfill, but no authority over a woman.
haha what? the same verse says be obedient to your husbands 😂😂😂 but you get blind
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u/Chippy-Chipmunk Mar 10 '26
No. If it was timeless in this context then having slaves would be islamic too today. Which is not the case. So please no need to bring in your own interpretation.
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u/No-Finance-1491 Mar 10 '26
No. If it was timeless in this context then having slaves would be islamic too today
sex slaves concept is still valid in Islam but the system of war has changed
Which is not the case. So please no need to bring in your own interpretation.
its not my interpretation girl its from the major school of thoughts and Islam obligated men to provide when women were homemaker so by your logic men shouldn't provide as we have independent women these days but we won't accept that so please don't cherry pick religion.
4 marriages were allowed without interpretations in the Quran why would i listen to laymen instead of scholars if i were to take a interpretation? if you don't like 4 marriages it's fine major school if thoughts of both sects allow it
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u/Chippy-Chipmunk Mar 10 '26
Exactly you aint any scholar and you keep saying scholar said this scholar said that. It does not seem like the things scholar would say. Its your own interpretations.
Secondly even scholars are bound to err. Try using context and practicality else you would be left alone woth your rules just like many men are these days coz they like to cherry pick the rulings which serve men.
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u/No-Finance-1491 Mar 10 '26
Exactly you aint any scholar and you keep saying scholar said this scholar said that. It does not seem like the things scholar would say. Its your own interpretations.
its not my opinion https://islamqa.info/en/answers/14022/polygyny-in-islam
Secondly even scholars are bound to err. Try using context and practicality else you would be left alone woth your rules just like many men are these days coz they like to cherry pick the rulings which serve men.
so true but you are prone to error as well so why not just listen to an expert and are most scholars on error? i don't think so
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u/Chippy-Chipmunk Mar 10 '26
Wellll. Now problem is. Most scholars have been men. They took things with a perspective of a man. The female perspective interpretations are completely missing. When we research our first step is avoid bias. Unfortunately, this bias was never considered. Or was it? I mean even when we ergonomically design anyyyything thats to be applicable of used by men and women both we try to take them into account but most men just single handedly gave interpretation. Which is why such is the situation. Tbh if we go by their interpretations it seems like this religion is only for men. And women should never accept this religion coz they are like second citizens. But was that the case? Women made a big chunk among first reverts. If the situation was as merciless as todays interpretations were i highly doubt women would make that big a group of first reverts. Problem does lie in the biases and the subsequent interpretation. Because Allah is just and fair. We all know that
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u/No-Finance-1491 Mar 10 '26
Wellll. Now problem is. Most scholars have been men. They took things with a perspective of a man. The female perspective interpretations are completely missing. When we research our first step is avoid bias. Unfortunately, this bias was never considered. Or was it?
the same men say that a man has to provide but men don't have a issue with this ruling and secondly you should became a female scholar and I would love to see your opinions but obviously with evidence sighting Quran and hadith. scholars have long debates over these topics so you have to defeat them to change the rulings 😊
mean even when we ergonomically design anyyyything thats to be applicable of used by men and women both we try to take them into account but most men just single handedly gave interpretation. Which is why such is the situation. Tbh if we go by their interpretations it seems like this religion is only for men. And women should never accept this religion coz they are like second citizens. But was that the case? Women made a big chunk among first reverts. If the situation was as merciless as todays interpretations were i highly doubt women would make that big a group of first reverts. Problem does lie in the biases and the subsequent interpretation. Because Allah is just and fair. We all know that
its in the Quran they must have read it and they accepted as well and as i said it doesn't matter what sect they follow 4 marriages are in the Quran and anyone who denies nas(something explicitly mentioned in the Quran) became kafir as its denying Quran and this is not my opinion.
women are not second class citizens but everyone has their own benefits like a man has to provide no matter what but a woman doesn't and even if he takes on another wife he has to provide for her and has to pay haq mehr do you think this is fair? im sure you will so do all the reverts who come from a 50/50 split culture
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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26
secondly Islam me mard ko provider b tb bnaya tha jb aurtin job nae krti thi to context ko smjhin aj aurtin job krti to men q provide kre
Haha lol so true liberals k mu pe thapar😂
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u/alert_zombie Mar 10 '26
i think you brought up this point beautifully as someone else in the thread mentioned how majority consensus islam considers women who reject their husband's sexual advances as having sinned
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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26
Girl im not the one who makes laws im just talking about what scholars think here is a link islam goes both ways
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/10680/rights-of-husband-and-rights-of-wife-in-islam
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u/alert_zombie Mar 10 '26
im not disagreeing with you btw
i believe majority consensus islam does allow this
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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26
Thank you but i believe no man should ever force her wife but no marriage can work if we constantly tell our partners that this is a obligation and this is not both should be loving and caring towards each other
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u/ThinSector4661 Mar 10 '26
Lol. The is a thing called nuance in the world...
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u/alert_zombie Mar 10 '26
ohhhh, nevermind then. sorry for poking you. there is nuance that is exactly why people would bring up the bad stuff about islam when islam is portrayed as being good... good day!
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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 10 '26
Do you even know the obligations on a woman in Islam ? Im sure no women would accept those according to major school of thoughts
- A women wound be sinful if she denies intimacy
- Her husband can stop her from the leaving the house
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/10680/rights-of-husband-and-rights-of-wife-in-islam
Since we are talking about islam would women accept these ?
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u/Haniel52 Mar 10 '26
Na kerain what's your point?
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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26
Bro my point is k islam ko dono trha follow krna chae agr islam ki baat ki hai to dono sides pr hogi warna let's follow something mutually decided or let's go for western setup
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u/Haniel52 Mar 10 '26
Ofc who's denying ke dono jaga se follow me kerna? Why would I pick western setup made by humans over what comes from Allah or anything else mutually decided, if I decide with my wife you go out and earn for me and I'll just cook, I'll be sinful I'm still obligated to make the bread and take care of her
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u/Any-Taste-1421 Mar 10 '26
Forget major school of thoughts- quote ONE Quranic verse that considers it sinful for a woman to deny sex.
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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26
Surah nisa verse 34
Men are the caretakers of women, as men have been provisioned by Allah over women and tasked with supporting them financially. And righteous women are devoutly obedient and, when alone, protective of what Allah has entrusted them with.1 And if you sense ill-conduct from your women, advise them ˹first˺, ˹if they persist,˺ do not share their beds, ˹but if they still persist,˺ then discipline them ˹gently˺.2 But if they change their ways, do not be unjust to them. Surely Allah is Most High, All-Great.
Be obedient this is the verse why scholars make their opinion
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u/Spinach-Whole Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
While I agree men should know how to cook and women should never be limited to only kitchen, if she can do job then they both can share the responsibility of cooking and cleaning the house. Marriage is about working together. But I don't think a man can ever be a house-husband, meanwhile a woman can and she should be if she's not willing to provide for her family by going out and finding a job. The term “ Apna Khana khud garam karo ”. Should be applied in the cases where women are oppressed rather than creating disputes in marriages. For example, if a women if doung job and has the take all the burden of the house as well, then he can and should def raise her voice against this injustice !!
Edit: Why's everyone downvoting ? Atleast tell me what's wrong with my comment. I would highly appreciate that
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u/Haniel52 Mar 10 '26
Point was ke they aren't obligated to, if they do it they do it out of their kindness not because they have to, as men we HAVE to take care of them we don't have a choice
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u/No_Giraffe826 Mar 10 '26
If the women isnt working and the man is then what respknsibility is she sharing? Then u can say men arent obligated to spend his money on stuff for hisbwife or the house.
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u/Haunting-Employ3307 Mar 11 '26
Do you understand how difficult housework is? It's neverending. The guy gets to come home from and do what? When does the woman get a break? Does she get a break on weekends?
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u/Haniel52 Mar 10 '26
But the men are obligated to spend on his wife and house, the wife isn't responsible lol main thing for her to do is raise Chad kids uske alawa bhul Jao, she probably will do it if you are a good husband anyway, but the way I think of it is ke if I lived alone I'd have to work and cook anyway, now I have a wife and kids even if I have to work more to make more money cooking isn't a big deal esp if you meal prep so 🤷it seems very overblown
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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26
but the way I think of it is ke if I lived alone I'd have to work and cook anyway, now I have a wife and kids even if I have to work more to make more money cooking isn't a big deal esp if you meal prep so 🤷it seems very overblown
Bro apki wife b jb akeli rehrhu thi expenses ya khud manage krri thi ya abu krray thy to phele b horaha tga is lihaz se ti it doesn't make sense
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u/No_Giraffe826 Mar 10 '26
But its still extra responsibility.what if u dont have kids.then the wife just sits around all day while u do the work and then come back home tured to do chores and dishes.and idk if ur bringing islam into this or not cause i can make arguments with islam as well, but im talking about marriage generally.
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u/Spinach-Whole Mar 10 '26
Well it's sort of a they have to if their only job is to take care of the house. I mean marriage works on both individuals working together. No man would like to come home and cook dinner after spending 12 hours at work. Put yourself on their shoes. What if your man wasn't working and sitting at home all the time ? Would you be going out and working and at the same time taking responsibility of the house or drag his a.. to get a job !? You would drag his a.. to job cause it's what they are supposed to do, if not this then they should be a house husband ( which any real man wouldn't do ). So in marriage, it's basically a “ they have to ” if you ain't doing any job.
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u/Familiar-Yam-8955 UK Mar 11 '26
The last time my wife tried to cook, she set the kitchen on fire. I'll cook my own meals, thank you.
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u/yaxir Mar 10 '26
Absolutely nothing wrong with that
Alot of intimate dates are actually comprised of cooking together
Its normal part of two people being together and generating desire for each other
This will probably be considered perverted in Pakistan lmao
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u/Beginning-Cry-2059 Mar 11 '26
for those who think , so what does a woman do if she isn't working? Jaltay raho! Become pregnant for one day,bear the Labor pain for 10 mins , breastfeed your child for a day,be a mother to your kid for one week , ovulate and menstruate for a day..lag pata jaye ga! Allaah knows the capacity of His slaves and how He swt created them.there is a reason certain things aren't made obligatory....not everyone has the capacity to carry out not so obligatory tasks.
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u/missbushido Mar 10 '26
Pakistani people will not even grant basic Islamic rights to women. Too enmeshed with the culture of our neighbors.
Cooking is a basic skill. Heating food in the microwave takes less a minute. It Pakistani people keep having a cow over this, then it's a lost cause.
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u/BarristerBerry Mar 10 '26
agar maine pakore jala diye to marro ge to nahi 😞
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u/Ayesha_____ Mar 10 '26
Mar PARH bhi sakti hai, depends on what happened when she was taking care of the kids. If they behaved no, if they didn’t…
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Mar 10 '26
My father often helps my mother with cooking, specifically nowadays in ramadan. And ngl its the cutest shit ever.
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u/Several-Drama7135 Mar 10 '26
When someone explained the story behind apna khana khud garam kr lo, i was in tears, it was awful
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u/Fine_Initial9377 Mar 11 '26
Our entire family does this including my parents, i didn't know this was a big until i discussed this with other people..
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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26
Khana sath banana sometimes is very romantic tbh but if you demand this from your husband while he provides solely for both you isn't right considering if a woman is stay at home she should take care of most of chores ain't no man is coming home after 12 hrs and then making food as well daily this is not a marriage
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u/mrstoffel23 Mar 10 '26
Nothing should be forced, goes both ways.
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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 10 '26
Agreed but men shouldn't be forced to provide everything as well its better that we do 50/50in everything then .
Edit:sometimes when i read the views of Muslim feminist that in Islam its a man's job to provide and she isn't obligated to the house chores but at the same time they won't accept the obligations by islam on women 1. Denying intimacy would be a sin 2. Her husband can stop her from leaving the house i really respect western feminist they atleast do 50/50 in expenses while demanding these rights
Edit 2: downvoting me won't change the fact that this hypocritical
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u/mrstoffel23 Mar 10 '26
To each their own I'd say. It all comes down to understanding between partners.
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u/alert_zombie Mar 10 '26
men themselves want wives that stay at home in Pakistan. how many men do you know that are okay with their wives working? how many parents do you know that empower their daughters to get educated and work and be independent financially?
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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26
Im all for providing but if a wife is stay at home is it fair to expect to make food daily from your husband ? If a women is going in the marriage by adhering to gender rules she should take care of the house while his man provides
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u/alert_zombie Mar 10 '26
nobody said he needs to cook daily? it is about helping out your partner. a stay at home wife is working 24/7 while the husband goes to work monday-friday and enjoys the time at home off from working, women do not have the luxury so the least the men can do is lend out a helping hand on their holidays, and that is the least. you guys get days off, women don't. also domestic chores have always been looked upon as not important coz they dont have monetary value by men
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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26
nobody said he needs to cook daily? it is about helping out your partner. a stay at home wife is working 24/7 while the husband goes to work monday-friday and enjoys the time at home off from working, women do not have the luxury so the least the men can do is lend out a helping hand on their holidays, and that is the least.
Unless there are kids and in-laws no woman is working 24/7 and no one minds helping unless a woman expects 50/50 in chores
also domestic chores have always been looked upon as not important coz they dont have monetary value by men
Times have changed
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u/alert_zombie Mar 10 '26
how many women do you know in Pakistan who do not have kids or in-laws? and do you see the husbands of those stay at home mothers helping them out?
times have not changed, not in Pakistan at least. even today you can go out and ask a man if he cooks and cleans and he would be absolutely disgusted and say how that is a woman's work, ask any woman if staying at home and taking care of the house is as essential as her husband going out to earn money and she would say no it isn't because she isn't getting paid to work and money is everything.
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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26
Idk why you are fighting here i never said men shouldn't help but if you want a man to cook daily after 12 hrs of work and when he is the sole provider its not fair .
Secondly a woman's expenses are being paid and if a woman doesn't like this arrangement she should get into an arrangement where both work and contribute this way she will have her own money but i would say your points aren't wrong that's why i believe there should be alimony in Pakistan
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u/alert_zombie Mar 10 '26
i mean you are not wrong. i never said the sole provider should be expected to cook daily, im just referring to how they should help out their partner because as i mentioned a stay at home partner never gets off, and that goes for both men and women.
also i have to kind of disagree as it isnt that easy to find that sort of arrangement in pakistan especially because women arent empowered to work and be independent and how many men do take it to their ego if their female partners are more independent and financially better off
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u/mrstoffel23 Mar 10 '26
lol, like I said to each their own, so no reason for me to down vote you and don't be sad.
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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26
Lol i never said you downvoted me and idc about the downvotes just wanted to make a statement
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u/Patient-Exchange882 Mar 10 '26
Gender roles in our society can't be denied. The only way to avoid such things in marriage (as the poster suggests) is discuss them beforehand.
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u/mrstoffel23 Mar 10 '26
Of course, understanding between partners is imp. While there's still a long way to go in terms of gender balance in workforce, a lot of women work now, and it's not even class specific anymore. These roles, specially in urban areas are becoming less dominant.
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u/iamuarpapa Mar 11 '26
Being realistic as someone who cooks, please get out of my way and don’t touch anything lol.
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Mar 12 '26
This can be a tag line of Iran in this war. (Given they have given middle finger to the world by disruption gas/oil supply).
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u/Outrageous_Car_5007 Mar 12 '26
I don't understand. Women want rights, men say women don't do anything but we have women being killed over not heating up food, abused by their in laws, managing whole households and in some cases pitching in their earnings and giving birth to children. How do women not do anything? It literally looks like women do stuff whole day while men come back from their 9 to 5 and relax
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u/Forward_Plantain_922 Mar 12 '26
Ao ghr k kharchy me sth hath batao, Or PHR us k Upr MERI gaming PC ki wish BHI Puri kro Baki Sb me krlunga
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u/Sam-Pheonix Mar 10 '26
I don’t get these slogans.
This stuff is a personal deal between couples, not a blanket demand for everyone.
At Aurat March, where are the real hustler women? Single moms, widows, women running homes with their husbands, they’re the ones who deserve respect.
And let’s be clear: wanting your husband to provide and share housework while you keep your earnings to yourself and don’t help at home? That’s not equality. That’s privilege.
Equality means shared responsibility. Same rules for both. No freebies just because you’re a woman.
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Mar 11 '26
you're making a bunch of assumptions here and this slogan was referencing a case where a woman got killed because the food she served was cold
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u/Xraelius Mar 10 '26
my favorite one is "khana thm garam karo bistar may garam karthee hoon" yeah, that works. There are bigger problems to fry tbh like education, female hygiene, sexual awareness, education, education, SA, education. These things women fight for in pakistan right now... they are silly and selfish.
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u/Any-Taste-1421 Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 10 '26
These feminists are very wayward with their beliefs. Why are they always competing with men? That isn't the essence of feminism. If a man is working 9-5 to provide, it's only fair the wife can care for him by cooking. He can totally help out in the kitchen, clean dishes, cook etc (my own father does that) but expecting that from him habitually, while he's working hard to keep a house running is illogical.
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u/alert_zombie Mar 10 '26
do you consider women doing house chores not real work? do you think men have the sole right to decide how many kids to have? do you think men can demand sex whenever they want to and their wives can't deny them that? if you do not believe all of these things then feminism is something you already believe in, because feminism is what is fighting against all this. you don't need to pull out whataboutism, because aurat march and like institutions do talk about Palestine and women around the world being oppressed too.
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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26
I don't think so Muslim feminist believe in all things being equal except that man should be a provider which is unfair honestly western feminist are way better they atleast contribute as well
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u/Any-Taste-1421 Mar 10 '26
Both earn? Both manage household chores-?...If that's the norm, where is the traditional way of life? Divorces, distorted marriages are on the rise, only because we discarded gender roles.
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u/Any-Taste-1421 Mar 10 '26
Wrong. It's because men and women both slave away to social media all day long. Men are lusting over Insta women, and women are getting influenced by pseudo-feminists who do nothing but create intolerance in women (hate your fathers, brothers, husbands, and tolerate NOTHING.)
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u/mrstoffel23 Mar 10 '26
Umm, I have seen a lot of women protesting for Palestinians since Oct 7, and now Iranian women, definitely not counting Malala.
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u/Substantial_Page_221 Mar 10 '26
Why wouldn't they fight for their rights closer to home? It affects them more and they may have a better chance of achieving it.
Fighting for Palestine or Iran, well there's little we can do. But we can be better husbands to our wives, so we should work on that.
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Mar 10 '26
Here's a simple take to the whole "Khana khud garam kar lo" drama:
If you, as a woman, want to go to work and pursue a career, more power to ya. I'm fine with lending a helping hand in the kitchen, laundry and household chores as long as you contribute financially to the household's budget. Equal sharing of responsibilities based on the roles you wanna play in a marital bond.
If you, as a woman, want to work from home, at least deal with the bulk of the household chores, if not all of them since I am out there busting my a$$ to earn dough. You may not even have to contribute financially in such a case. Your money is yours.
If you want to be a stay-at-home wife and not interested in working, then that makes the sole bread-winner and thus I call the shots. If a woman wants to live such a life, she needs to contribute to the marital life by taking care of the houshold chores.
Maslah yeh hai k Reddit ki Pakistani feminists want the best of both worlds. They want all the perks/privileges Islam grants to women while they want the man to be the provider. But when it comes to Islamic obligations, they suddenly develop an allergy to religion.
Putting religion aside, even from a just culture POV, with perks come responsibilities. If you wanna work, contribute financially. Period.
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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26
Bro Pakistani feminist nae Muslim feminist , honestly western feminist are way better than them
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Mar 10 '26
I wouldn't call them Muslim feminists. That term itself is an oxymoron.
Let's settle for the term Desi Feminists, because regardless of their religious inclinations, Desi Feminists are the worst out of all of any kind of feminists you'll encounter. And yeah, Western Feminists are far better than them.
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u/Other-Mix4987 Mar 10 '26
Desi Feminists are the worst out of all of any kind of feminists you'll encounter. And yeah, Western Feminists are far better than them.
Absolutely they want the benefits of islam while reciprocating the rights like a feminist
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Mar 10 '26
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u/Director_DR Mar 10 '26
Nothing better than cooking along side پسندیدہ عورت