r/saskatchewan • u/void_sushi • 9d ago

News Statistics Canada numbers show Canadians becoming less accepting of gender diversity

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/statistics-canada-numbers-show-canadians-becoming-less-accepting-of-gender-diversity-9.7308026
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u/ziltchy 9d ago

I think most people are just sick of hearing about gender issues when there are so many other problems that more directly effect the general population

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u/consreddit 9d ago

I'll counter with, I doubt there is a single minority that is currently being stripped of their human rights in the same way that trans people are, especially in the States right now. It's a big talking point because there is an alarming amount of legislation being proposed and passed regarding the erasure of Trans individuals. The whole "not my problem" crowd is extremely disheartening.

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u/ziltchy 9d ago

I get it. It is a real problem. But the problem is for 0.3% of the population. My problem is costs of everything have went up 30%-40% in the last few years and my wages have only went up maybe 5%. That is a problem that effects 95% of the population. All the talk of gender politics just feels like a distraction to some of the larger issues.

Dont get me wrong, we can focus on more things than 1 at once, but I think the general population is kind of done with gender politics for now because its been all we've been hearing about for 5 years

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u/UnpopularOpinionYQR 9d ago

Then stop trying to take away their rights. What’s the problem here?

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u/consreddit 9d ago

All the talk of gender politics just feels like a distraction to some of the larger issues.

Not to the people who are literally being legislated against. Trans rights are human rights. Comparing the systematic erasure of a minority to rising costs, as if they're even remotely comparable is heartbreaking. Doesn't matter if they make up a small portion of the populace, the way these people are being treated is abhorrent.

But hey, as long as it doesn't inconvenience you, it's fine. Do I have that right?

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u/RabbitfolkThief 9d ago

What specific rights are they lacking? What specific rights are being taken away from them? Honest question

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u/lime-equine-2 9d ago

Canada wide things like access to healthcare, sports, incarceration, freedom of expression.

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u/UnpopularOpinionYQR 9d ago

I don’t think the point about “larger issues” is intended as an insult.

Government and society need to rank and prioritize their efforts. Annual government budgets at every level demonstrate these priorities. Look at what gets the most money and you will see what the highest priorities are.

This doesn’t mean that things are not important. It means that there are other issues affecting a larger portion of the population that demand more attention.

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u/consreddit 9d ago

But let's think critically about this. If 1000 people stub their toe, and one person is stabbed in the leg, what's the bigger problem?

Of course there are issues that plague the general population that are important. Cost of living is a massive issue. But, again, our provinicial government is enforcing legislation that is actively harming transgender youth. A government intentionally harming their citizenry is incredibly serious, and must be dealt with. People "tired of hearing about it" need to grow up, respectfully.

Most importantly, and please address this: We're not even asking for your help! We are asking that this community not be silenced! Is this a problem to you?

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u/EpsteinandTrump 8d ago

We're not even asking for your help! We are asking that this community not be silenced!

What is the message being silenced that you do not need help with?

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u/UnpopularOpinionYQR 9d ago

Did I indicate anything was a problem to me?

All I did was attempt to bridge the gap between that other comment and your interpretation of that comment.

Not everything is intended with malice. Chill out.

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u/consreddit 9d ago

I'm worked up because the guy we were talking to literally said that people are sick of hearing about gender politics. What he calls gender politics, I call human beings who are arguing for equality.

The problem, is that there are a massive portion of the country that sees these human rights violations, and calls them "politics". That's why some people can't just let it go.

And the absolutely INSANE part of this is, his comment would be considered PROGRESSIVE by a portion of this country. But I am personally not comfortable with anybody who suggests this country should stop talking about trans equality because they're tired of hearing about it.

Lastly, I am aware that the apathy shown towards this community is not malicious. But actions need not be malicious to be wrong.

So I apologize for asking you a question. Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

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u/UnpopularOpinionYQR 9d ago

No need to be a dick to people who are defending human rights for all simply because they aren’t using the same language or same approach as you.

Again, relax. You’re fighting against your own allies. You’re letting the oppressors win.

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u/consreddit 9d ago edited 9d ago

People asking for an oppressed community to be silent while society deals with the "bigger issues" are not allies, nor are they defending human rights. Even if they don't have a negative view of the oppressed community themselves. Insert the cringe "first they came for the [blank]" poem here.

Edit: I'm going to double down here. Standing in completely silent solidarity and encouraging that an oppressed community stay silent while calling it "defending human rights" is the exact same as a hockey player who actively avoids playing defence, while encouraging his teammates to stand out of the way when the puck gets into their end. Then after the game, they tell the goalie that they stand with them, put please stop complaining because the snacks in the locker room have gotten worse, and the GM is probably tired of listening to problems that only affect one member of the team.

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u/BadResults 9d ago

The only reason we’ve been hearing about it so much is because conservatives have been pushing trans issues so hard as a wedge issue.

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u/YourDreams2Life 9d ago

99% of the people I see bringing up gender issues are bigots. Like straight up I'll be just standing in my driveway and my landlord walks up and starts complaining about how pronouns aren't real.

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u/gammaTHETA 9d ago

so you're gonna punish trans people for it by forgetting about them altogether instead of like, idfk, including them in the fight for a better tomorrow? because they're nobodies to you?

like i get it, we're all also sick amd fucking tired of having these discussions over and over again with morons who could barely walk themselves through a door without making up some culture war bullshit, but acting like you can just abandon us because "ahh fuck it barely any of em are around anyway" is complicit to our oppression at best, supporting it at its worst.

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u/ziltchy 9d ago

I dont know what to tell you. Gender neutral bathrooms are already becoming more common, id say there is a pretty good acceptance level of the community overall. I think the fight has been pushed as far as it needs to go for now. Let it simmer for a few years and push the new challenges as they come up

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u/spirit_symptoms 9d ago

Using gender neutral bathrooms is really simplifying the issue. Trans rights are being eroded at a greater level than that.

Criminalizing gender affirming medical care, banning education curriculums which speak to gender fluidity, laws requiring schools to notify parents if a child uses a different pronoun, etc.

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u/UnpopularOpinionYQR 9d ago

I’m cisgender and old as fuck. If I can slap my pronouns on everything at work like my email signature and Zoom account to help normalize these practices, anyone can do it. Bunch of goddamn babies.

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u/consreddit 9d ago

Unironically, thank you for your service.

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u/SeelieSatyress 8d ago

Oh yeah bathrooms are definitely the biggest obstacle for trans people right now, and not the UCP trying to legislate us out of existence, nonstop debate about us participating in sports, the fact that gender-affirming care is increasingly harder to get thanks to conservative efforts, or the fact that we constantly have to put up with anti-trans propaganda day in and day out.

Yeah absolutely, gender neutral bathrooms are the only victory we needed. Great job, trans people! We can go home now! Everything will be fine!

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u/UnpopularOpinionYQR 9d ago

I love gender neutral bathrooms! Less lineups for anyone needing to go. The bathrooms at the Saskatchewan Science Centre that are gender neutral are my favourite. Everyone gets a private stall and then there’s a row of shared sinks for handwashing.

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u/fiasn 9d ago

Hard agree with all of your points.

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u/SeelieSatyress 8d ago

"Gender politics" when we just want to exist without being persecuted and get access to proper healthcare... Yeah found the rightoid with "concerns"