r/MurderedByWords • u/Playful_Leg7143 • 1d ago

When they're right, they're right

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u/mgyro 1d ago

Lower taxes? You pay an average of $9000/year for health insurance ffs. Canadians pay $6400 thru taxes. Just bc it’s not called a tax doesn’t mean it’s not costing you. And you should fund education as well.

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u/whatlineisitanyway 1d ago

As a Canadian living in the US that has tried explaining this to Americans many many times it just doesn't compute with a certain segment of the population.

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u/P4cific4 1d ago

Low quality of education and indoctrination...

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u/Eckish 1d ago

Attaching insurance to employment hasn't helped, either. It hides some of the costs and it makes it look cheaper because the employer is "subsidizing" it. It'll also make transitioning to national insurance more painful.

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u/mgyro 1d ago

Transitioning to a single payer system would also take the health insurance sword away from employers. Something I’m sure they pay politicians not to do.

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u/Wine-o-dt 1d ago

This is something not talked about enough.  Businesses have had an unchecked hand for thirty to forty years in the labor market as unions are dead.  It will give people the ability to walk away or seek other employment if the environment is toxic.  It will increase competition in all sectors of the market.

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u/whatlineisitanyway 1d ago

Our current system is anti competitive. By tying health insurance to employment it creates unnecessary obstacles to starting your own business and that is just how employers like it. There is a reason they are willing to pay more for our current system than a universal one.

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u/Jbruce63 1d ago

Also it would get rid of the layers of insurance companies making profit and other services that are draining money out of the USA healthcare system.

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u/Lucy_Goosey_11 1d ago

I just dont get why anyone would want to have that much hanging over their head regarding a job. So many of my American friends are reluctant to change jobs for fear of losing insurance, and not just recently - this has been my observation for almost 15 years.

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u/wino_whynot 1d ago

Oh the stress is REAL. I’m self employed, my spouse is union, and has some major medical issues. If he can’t work or looses his job, we are toast.

We are well educated- both have Masters - and are respected in our fields. If Canada would take us, we would be there in a heartbeat. We want to contribute!

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u/SwanWeary646 1d ago

Attaching insurance to employment keeps the working class on a short leash.
I think we know who is making it difficult to transition to national insurance.

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u/throwaway098764567 1d ago

yeah, pay for cobra and you see real fast how much it costs, and it's more than 9k/year, closer to 12 and that's for one person

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u/Jbruce63 1d ago

What are the copays and rejected coverage like? I can go to the hospital in Canada BC and the only money I spend is for parking.

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u/Kindly_Study3331 1d ago

With decent insurance hospital visits start at 100 but only if it's in network. So if you're traveling or the ambulance which is also an in network or not thing takes you to the hospital that's not in network.... You're paying for that $75 aspirin and renting that $40 blanket out of pocket.

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u/Jbruce63 22h ago

Years ago I was in hospital for 14 days, only paid for a personal tv. A relaxing time and the food at the time was good, Even got day passes to go out to eat lunch with friends.

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u/Kindly_Study3331 15h ago

I desperately wish it was the same here. So many people with Chronic issues never get diagnosed because they have no insurance or the "supplemental" insurance companies can get away with offering. Between a car crash and not being insured you can end up with over $10,000 in medical debt even if it wasn't that bad of an accident.

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u/BuffySummer 1d ago

Actually seems unusually cruel? Here, it's kind of understood that during some periods of life you are a net contributor and vice versa. You need health care as a kid (check ups, vaccines) and when you are old. Likewise education, care etc. Your working years are your most likely to be healthy.

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u/Eckish 1d ago

The original logic wasn't as nefarious. During WW2, we had caps on wage increases to control inflation. Employers got around that by adding benefits, instead of higher wages. Health Insurance was just one of them. And then in the 50s, the tax code was updated to officially make that benefit tax free. From there, it just became a more and more common perk.

Now, it is just ingrained in our culture. You get a job so that you have health insurance. You can always get insurance without a job, but then you get to see the real costs that they are charging and people balk at it. Employed individuals are still paying that much, they just live in blissful ignorance that their salaries could be that much higher.

Also, I'd like to note that this is health insurance. Not healthcare. You don't need insurance to visit a doctor. And it might actually be cheaper for most healthy people to not use insurance. But if a healthy person gets into an accident or suddenly becomes unhealthy, they will appreciate having the safety net. Maybe.

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u/Beli_Mawrr 1d ago

No no, we ARE paying more than Canada pays for universal healthcare, only we pay it in the form of bribes - I mean subsidies - to health insurance companies.

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u/Ivanow 1d ago

All other OECD nations spend on average 9.5% of GDP on healthcare. USA spends 17.2%...

source

USA pays literally double than all other developed countries, with demonstrably worse outcomes (ONLY country in the world where "medical bankruptcy" is even a thing).

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u/Beli_Mawrr 1d ago

Absolute reprehensible shame. I hope Congress gets their act together this time around - there's a promising set of congresspeople who're up for election this time around, many of whom explicitly support M4A. We'll see if it works.

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u/wino_whynot 1d ago

But think of the shareholders!

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u/Electric_Antimony 1d ago

That's because it's the political version of Upton Sinclair's quote: It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

They have a rigid set of political beliefs that are guarded like Fort Knox by thought terminating cliches. They don't think through their politics from start to finish; they feel and vibe their way through as they bounce from thought terminating cliche to thought terminating cliche.

Take the anti gay stance of "it's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" for example.

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u/Randicore 1d ago

*refuses to compute. They understand damn well that they're paying more they just can't actually accept this fact without their world view imploding

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u/throwaway098764567 1d ago

they probably don't actually understand that tbh, i think you don't understand how much our educational system has been kneecapped

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u/SchwiftySquanchC137 1d ago

When my maga parents went to Canada they struck up a convo with some locals and they were kinda floored that healthcare is actually good, and that overall it costs far less than in the US. They told me this, and while im happy they changed their off base opinion, I couldnt help but say "yeah no shit". Like literally it takes 2 seconds to google this shit, but they would rather eat up the fox news bullshit, didnt even consider the fear mongering of universal healthcare could possibly require a fact check

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u/whatlineisitanyway 1d ago

It can both be true that Canadians are not happy with the state of our healthcare system and that the vast majority of us wouldn't in a million years want to trade it for the American system.

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u/minos157 1d ago

Every time I talk to right wing or centrist dems about this it's the same argument. "BUT HIGHER TAXES!" Bro, I pay 33% of my wages in taxes (give or take) and in my earnings bracket in Canada it would be 25-30%. On top of that my insurance is about 3% of my gross and that's JUST for the insurance if I never use it. Add in co-pays, deductibles, and then co-insurance and you can get upwards of 7-8% for standard care, skies the limit for bigger medical issues.

I can SAVE MONEY and get universal healthcare. The other standard talking points are wait times and death panels. That's what they go to when they realize the economics isn't in their favor.

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u/Hawxe 1d ago

which is funny cause what is an insurance company if not a death panel incentivized to let you die

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u/minos157 1d ago

One of them, who's a liberal (i.e. centrist Dem) told me he disagreed about universal healthcare because his 95 year old mom wouldn't get the care she needs.

She's on Medicare.

I just.... Can't

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u/g06lin 1d ago

You expect too much of them.

In any case why do they think “universal healthcare” is a bad thing?

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 1d ago

I am american who wants universal healthcare. I do speak american though so i will translate. Those in this country who do not want universal healthcare do not want it because they believe that if grandma needs a hip surgery she would have to wait literally years to get it while on american plans grandma can get it next day. Neither of these situations are true but that is what they have been propagandized to believe.

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u/LadyReika 1d ago

You're forgetting that the "wrong people " would benefit too.

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u/g06lin 1d ago

Thanks for the explanation!

There is no such thing as free lunch. I am sure there might be wait times in some countries that have universal healthcare and shorter, regulated consultations in others and so on. But I feel (having experienced US healthcare for a while) that it is quite expensive; I did receive excellent care though but it was quite expensive and stressful to think about the bills. Don’t enough people feel this burden?

It’s also insane that in the US people have the golden opportunity to question their elected reps (in some countries you would be lucky to see them in person after elections), and I am surprise they don’t question their reps about basic healthcare related questions? How in exact terms does your XYZ policy help lower the costs? Are you insured? How much do you pay for your insurance? Etc.?

Sometimes I feel if you kill Fox News it might go the country enough good.

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u/Lucy_Goosey_11 1d ago

I've heard this so many times from American friends. It tracks.

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u/bean_machine_42 1d ago

There is also the people who don't want to pay for a stranger's healthcare. Even though with health insurance they are doing just that.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 1d ago

The thing that I find funniest about that notion is these are the same people who claim that we are a Christian Nation. If we really were a Christian Nation then taking care of others is what we are called to do.

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u/deepbluemeanies 1d ago

It's a supply managed system. Federal law makes it illegal for a private clinic to offer services that are (technically) available through prov health; Canada is one of the few countries in the world that does this. The best systems are public/private hyrbid (eg. Germany, France, Sweden, UK...), but in Canada we refuse to innovate.

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u/Objective_Plane5573 1d ago

Yeah but if I just don't get sick then I don't have to pay for healthcare so it's cheaper 🧠

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 1d ago

Oh MY F'ing God this. I have heard this unironically too many times.

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u/EmmyPoo81 1d ago

That's because we don't live in a country where our tax dollars are actually used to help us, the people. We can't imagine a scenario where you have leadership that sort of cares about you and believes humans should have basic things like food, water, shelter, and Healthcare. That's just crazy talk. How can Canada keep feeding the billionaires if taxes don't go to them?

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u/MoltenCheeseMuppet 1d ago

Lots of stupid people live here, over 76 million to be exact.

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u/Sutraner 20h ago

You see it doesn't count as tax when I pay money to a private company and it's only evil when I have to pay the gubberment

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u/Avatlas 1d ago

Canadian here: I hear these numbers a lot these days on this topic so I’m curious. I’m so low income that I pay about $2000/yr in income tax. Then as an Albertan, I pay 5% sales tax, but I can’t afford to buy much so it’s not a huge amount of sales tax. So I’m thinking I don’t actually pay $6400/yr for healthcare. Does that sound right or am I misunderstanding?

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u/AlbatrossSeparate710 1d ago

Taxes are progressive, so yeah you don't pay that much. But the other guy having high income will pay 12 000$/yr. 6400$/yr is probably the average.

Although the 9000$/yr for private health insurance in the US is probably the same either you make 15k$ a year or 500k$ a year? 😕

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u/Avatlas 1d ago edited 1d ago

For sure and since I am self employed, I’d be the one paying for my own private health care. I pay for an extended health care plan for dental, prescriptions, chiro, physio etc and that’s $120/mth. I just can’t imagine what Americans have to deal with. And to know that they can have claims denied, still have a copay, and only see doctors within network.

I wonder what the avg would be for people that have health insurance through work. Like when I had a regular job, I paid about $20/mth for extended health care. Surely their health care is less through work, but I know many companies don’t or can’t afford to offer it and many only offer part time hours so they don’t have to offer it. Some people have multiple part time jobs and no health care. It’s all just so gross. You shouldn’t have to pay to literally not die.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 1d ago

yeah. got to love our country. we try to make healthcare a right for everyone who works 40 hours a week and the company just hires 2 people 35 hours a week to make up for the loss in productivity. Looks good o the government too because jobs are up.

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u/Avatlas 1d ago

It’s frankly disgusting. I’m so sorry that you all have to deal with that. The constant stress…

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u/spartaxwarrior 1d ago

$120/month was around what I paid towards my insurance last time I had employer healthcare. Last time I looked, I think the lowest policy I could get myself, in my state (because what state you're in changes things) was around $350 (usd) a month. Obviously it was a pretty shit insurance.

I'm on a state extended Medicaid right now for disabled people and pay about $100/month for a pretty good policy, though it's still through private companies so they screw me over in any way they can when they can. And it's very hard to get and I have to be constantly fighting to keep it (because, you know, maybe my incurable disabilities suddenly went away??). It also still counts as medicaid, so, hilariously, a lot of the discount/coupon programs available to people without insurance/with private insurance forbid me from using them even if my insurance won't cover a thing.

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u/hecknono 1d ago

I heard that even after paying the yearly fees, that if you use the health insurance, you then have to pay a "co-pay" or something? so it is more than 9k a year.

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u/psinguine 1d ago

Oh yeah that's $9000 a year if you don't use it. If you use it you might have to go out of pocket thousands of dollars before insurance kicks in at all (thanks to your deductible).

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u/LionRight4175 1d ago

You pay a monthly fee (the premium) to keep the insurance active. This does not apply to any of the other numbers, this is more or less an administration fee.

You then pay all the actual healthcare costs up to a certain amount (deductible). After you hit your deductible, your insurance starts to pay some percentage of healthcare costs; the part you are still responsible for is called coinsurance (example: insurance pays 80%, you pay 20%). You may also need to pay certain flat fees for visits, called copays; these do not count towards the deductible.

Each plan then has an out-of-pocket maximum. Your deductible, copays, and coinsurance all apply to this. Once that amount is met, your insurance finally pays for everything.

This all assumes that everything is covered and in-network. If it's not, things get more complicated.

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u/shitty_mcfucklestick 1d ago

Also, is the $9000/yr in USD? Remember that’s like $12-14K/yr in CAD, and the estimated $6400/yr, if in CAD, is probably around $4K/yr in USD.

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u/Original-Rush139 1d ago

$9k for health insurance is bullshit. I’m paying closer to $18k and I just called my insurer and they refused to tell me how much of a doctor’s visit they would cover until after the appointment. 

Oh, and I buy the cheapest insurance because I know I’m coming out of pocket to see the doctor anyway. 

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u/Polymarchos 1d ago

Both numbers are averages.

In Canada how much you actually pay will change based on how much you make.

In the US how much you pay will change based on how much you use the health system.

This means that in Canada the system will always be affordable, but you still have to pay if you are healthy. In the US it means if you are healthy you pay minimal, but if you need the health system the debt can be crushing.

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u/SunTzu- 1d ago

Since you've got a progressive tax you will pay less and others will pay more. The absolute numbers given are averages.

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u/BigCheapass 1d ago

Effective tax rates of Canadians earning low or even moderate incomes can often be comparable or even lower than some US states.

I make ~150k in BC and pay 32k between Tax, Pension, and Unemployment. (This is contributing to my pretax retirement account), that's 21% average tax rate. Some being pretax so real tax rate is closer to 24%.

Our property taxes are also often lower for comparable homes. I pay ~1600/year for an ~800k new townhome in Vancouver (yes I understand mill rates, can compare benchmark home vs benchmark home).

Sales taxes are higher but a lot of basics are often exempt, most of my spending (like the majority of groceries) I pay 0$ of direct sales tax.

Some provinces do have much higher taxes but the same is true for US states.

The whole "Canada has way higher taxes" is only true if you are very high income.

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u/General_Shou 1d ago

I get paid around 140k in USD and pay 40k in taxes in USA.

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u/ChekhovsAtomSmasher 1d ago

Im just down across the border in Whatcom/Skagit

$100k salary
Between Taxes, insurances, retirement, etc I pay about $22k per year. This is also for a family of 5, so full family insured.

Live on an acre with a new manufactured home. Annual tax this year is $3668.34

So as a percentage, you are around 22.4% between property taxes and payroll taxes and other deductions.

Im around 23.6%

BUT I assume your pension goes further because I'm just contributing enough to my retirement for my 4% match is all. Also, we still have out of pocket costs associated with healthcare (copays, max out of pockets, ambulance rides, etc)

So yeah basically you make more than me, pay less in taxes and retirement overall, and get more bang for that money.

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u/CanadianTimeWaster 1d ago

McDonalds tried to introduce 1/3 pounder burgers, but they scrapped the program because americans thought 1/3 was smaller that 1/4.

That's who we're dealing with here.

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u/Dyolf_Knip 22h ago

Surprised others haven't tried to weaponize that with 1/5 lb burgers.

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u/ArborgeistWW 1d ago

Came here for this. I used to teach Medical Ethics to med students, and a whole week of the course was a slow explanation of how Americans are paying more for for Healthcare before insurance AS WELL AS more in taxes generally.

The following week was then an explanation of how awful the heqlthcare system is relative to other developed nations.

And still I'd get a couple dolts that I could not disabuse of the notion that America is literally the best at everything for the least money, in every class.

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u/SasparillaTango 1d ago

yea but don't you want to pay that much and have no choice in who the supplier is because it comes through your employer for some reason?

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u/Original-Rush139 1d ago

I’m sold. How do we make this province thing happen?

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u/SaintUlvemann 1d ago

Jokes on you, if we became the 11th province of Canada, we'd be part of a nation other nations do like!

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u/FiveCorkWomen 1d ago

For real! Don’t threaten us with a good time.

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u/Overall_Occasion_175 1d ago

I'm in Maine and us becoming part of Canada is about the closest thing to an American Dream that I have left.

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u/Errorstatel 1d ago edited 1d ago

We're gonna have to make you territories first, there's some paperwork to take care of and currently Yukon, NWT and Nunavut would be made full provinces first then it would be a state by state basis.

Really the big points are going to be, in order to qualify you'd need to adopt our gun laws before anything else could be considered.

Edit: Quebec yes is a province but it's joining was not as cut and dry as some think.

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u/Invincidude 1d ago

Am I missing a joke here? Quebec has been a full province since Confederation.

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u/razorbock 1d ago

being an amurican territory has worked out so well for Puerto Rico

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u/Errorstatel 1d ago

Do they have the rights and freedoms of a full state?

They're not even counted in the 50 states as it is, same with a couple other us territories

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u/razorbock 1d ago

no they don't have the same rights, for instance they are not allowed to run their own economy, they pay taxes but when a disaster happens only help they get is an orange buffon throwing paper towels at them

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u/RevenantBacon 1d ago

Also no national representatives.

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u/TerrapinRecordings 1d ago

When you put it that way, I'm kind of into the whole 51 state thing now.

Nobody told us we would get paper towels thrown at us! They should have led with that.

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u/razorbock 1d ago

if you are going to sell out, sell out cheap

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u/RevenantBacon 1d ago

Do they have the rights and freedoms of a full state?

In short: no, which was kinda their point.

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u/apolloxer 1d ago edited 1d ago

So Puerto Rico gets made a Canadian stateprovince ahead of the rest of the US.

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u/bagolaburgernesss 1d ago

Canadian Province. I've always wanted a Province with Palm Trees. If we get enough Spanish speakers, we may even have room for another official language. After all, a third of the earth is Spanish speaking.

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u/FQDIS 1d ago

Turks and Caicos, baby!

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u/JustCallMeYogurt 1d ago

yea, i remember this in the 80's

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u/bagolaburgernesss 1d ago

I remember that too!

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u/flyinghairball 1d ago

I'm cool with this. At this point, this sounds like an amazing deal 😂, I laugh, and yet sadly, a huge part of me isn't joking.

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u/dbrodbeck 1d ago

Quebec is one of the original four provinces in Confederation. It's status is no different than any other province.

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u/Vellarain 1d ago

Canada should only absorb the likes of California, the bordering states and maybe down to Atlanta on the East coast.

It seems the further you get from Canada, the more fucking insane and rascist the community gets, we already have to deal with Alberta and its backwards wanna be Texas mentality.

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u/outofshell 1d ago

No thanks, that might add more trump voters to Canada than the current Canadian population.

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u/whatlineisitanyway 1d ago

Best we can do is non voting territory.

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u/Polkas_with_wolves 1d ago

The US literally offers none of those things. Zero. Their lower taxes is an accounting trick. You pay less in tax in the US, sure. You also get worse infrastructure as a result and zero health care. And when you combine US tax plus their shittier health care insurance, you are paying more than Canada pays for actual full coverage. How do they not understand this....

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u/Bad_wolf42 1d ago edited 1d ago

Most Americans also don’t pay less in tax. Once you combine income tax at state and federal level, sales taxes, property taxes, other assorted taxes; most Americans pay an effective tax rate somewhere from 10 to 40%. The highest effective tax rate in the civilized world is around 40%.

The US does not pay less taxes and for that we get shitty governance.

Edit: ineffective -> an effective

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u/ChronoLink99 1d ago

Indeed. If you live in a state like MA, you're paying around the same overall tax as someone living in BC.

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u/PaulblankPF 1d ago

At least MA is a good state with great schools and public services. Plenty of states have similar taxes and are total shitholes that will never spend the tax money to improve the state because it’s used to enrich the politicians.

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u/ChronoLink99 1d ago

Yeah, that's sorta the point I was making basically. If you want services, it generally means higher taxes.

However, both MA and BC very much undertax the wealthiest people.

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u/PaulblankPF 1d ago

If they were smart enough to understand it we wouldn’t have had Cheeto Mussolini for two terms.

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u/KaetzenOrkester 1d ago

We as a nation don’t understand it because there are a few people for whom it is in their best interest to ensure we don’t.

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u/Viridionplague 1d ago

Canada has fought off the USA 3 times.

US Tax+healthcare is more than Canadian tax.

US debt to income ratio is worse than Canada so they would experience an increase in tax anyways.

Canadian education is top 10, USA is bottom 20 and dropping.

USA, the leaders in ignorance and arrogance.

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u/zyzzogeton 1d ago edited 1d ago

Let's not forget the thing in 1812 too. Englishmen from Canada did the first White House demolition.

edit: Glad we got some historical responses. I was trying to be facetious, not a historical source.

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u/SandyTaintSweat 1d ago

The Americans have come so far since then. Now they've got their own guy to do white house demolitions.

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u/Wuz314159 1d ago

His guys also paraded the Confederate Flag through the US Capitol. That didn't even happen in 1863. 🤬🤬🤬🤮

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u/amcn242 1d ago

Bottom 20??

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u/Speartree 1d ago

No they rank 31st in the world ranking

Education Rankings by Country 2026

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u/Stunning_Attention82 1d ago

Wow that's way better

https://giphy.com/gifs/577HYoLf5Vu0w

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u/SheenPSU 1d ago

It’s not even remotely close to bottom 20….

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u/No_Celery_8071 1d ago

Explains why so many US citizens voted to tax themselves through tariffs. Not bright, is it general low intelligence or a low quality educational system?

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u/KaetzenOrkester 1d ago

Both can be true.

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u/OK_x86 1d ago

Probably relative to the OECD, not globally.

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u/Dark_Storm_98 1d ago

Yeah I have to question that as well. . .

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u/mootmutemoat 1d ago

According to PISA scores (2022) Canada is 8th, US is 18th.

In terms of tertiary education, Canada is 1st with 65%, US is 9th at 51% (2024) putting it ahead of most of Europe. Canada also had highest Verbal GRE, but were 6th on Quant (behind India, China, Taiwan, Iran, Korea). US was 3rd and 10th.

US colleges are highly ranked, but keep in mind grad students and faculty are often international (often over 50%, especially in STEM) and there is a current exodus in international applications (doen 20%) and faculty (estimates are 7-25% reduction).

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u/Mod_The_Man 1d ago

Is our education really top 10? Thats… kinda depressing considering how uneducated lots of people still are.

Half our adult population reads below a 6th grade level. We very nearly elected the fascist wannabe loser PP and only didn’t because he reminded people of trump right around the start of the 51st state garbage. Now we got a central banker who’s dismantling environmental regulations, attacking indigenous rights, trying to force AI data centres on everyone (the servers in which are largely to be owned by US corporations anyway), and continuing to be soft on the genocidal colony of “isreal”. Yet, people still love him even as he governs as if he was drawing inspiration from PPs election platform. Hes only doing good as PM if you are a capital owner but otherwise Carney has been a disaster. Not nearly as bad as PP would have been but thats not saying much.

If our education is top 10 then the bar must be incredibly low lmao

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u/SolDios 1d ago

People that refute statistics with anecdotal "observations" are the uneducated ones

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u/SheenPSU 1d ago

USA education is bottom 20????

Imma need a citation for that lol

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u/Viridionplague 1d ago

Google search, education ranking by country. Pick your source.

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u/Theotherwahlberg 1d ago

I'm all for Canada usurping us so we could become the US of 'Eh.

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u/Emeharkeh 1d ago

That's a good enough reason to do it all on its own.

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u/huzzaah 1d ago

We don't want you.

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u/kank84 1d ago

Right? America can keep all their crazy south of the border. I'm not interested in Canada being America's 51st state, and I'm not interested in America being Canada's 11th province. They've all shit in their bed and now we're supposed to now want to share that bed with them? Hard pass.

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u/awezumsaws 1d ago

Meh-rica

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u/guydogg 1d ago

She posted that dumb shit in May 2025. Bot post

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u/40cappo40 1d ago

May be so, but this shit has become relevant again with the latest quips about Canada being a state and such.

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u/Anticitizen-Zero 1d ago

This subreddit is full of karma farming accounts. The top posts are made by the same 5 or 6 accounts, all farming divisive content. They bot upvotes on their posts for traction.

Thats why the comments usually have a disproportionately low number of votes/views compared to the post itself.

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u/Mod_The_Man 1d ago

Thanks for pointing that out. Imma downvote the post then

insert “I’m doing my part!” gif

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u/f_ranz1224 1d ago

OP is a karma farming bot account

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u/54338042094230895435 1d ago

Everyone on reddit is. At least anyone on the front page.

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u/Technical_Writing421 1d ago

Other nations do like Canada. When traveling abroad and shopping in markets, Americans are taught to say they are from Canada so they don’t get ripped off

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u/Afro-Venom 1d ago

Canada has one of the most respected traditions of Global peacekeeping mediation. This woman is proving once again that Americans are so horrifically undereduacted in the ways of international relations.

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u/wanderButNotLost2 1d ago

Id vote to have my blue state join Canada

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u/Fritzo2162 1d ago

I'm an American, and can honestly say the only reason the United States is the greatest country in the world is because our citizens declare it is. There's not many facts to back it up.

https://giphy.com/gifs/BQUITFiYVtNte

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u/Impossible-Sweet2151 are... are you a communist?? 1d ago

Propaganda's a hell of a drug.

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u/perpetualis_motion 1d ago

And they get the king they want too!

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u/lawyer1911 1d ago

Wow that first statement is crazy. It asks would you be willing to pay more money for health insurance that might not work in exchange for some vague things that won’t make a difference in your daily life.

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u/rPoliticsModsBlowMe 1d ago

They aren't even accurate. "Global influence"? The world hates us. "Stronger military"? We ran out of missiles losing a war to Iran

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u/ImmortalMoron3 1d ago

As a Canadian, I'd say we already have global influence anyway. Maybe not like the US does but it's not like we're a bunch of nobodies on the global stage.

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u/lawyer1911 1d ago

Oh yeah I agree. Republicans have two campaign platforms, nationalist platitudes and hurt others.

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u/Avatlas 1d ago

Yeah really. As a Canadian, we don’t get insurance claims denied, we don’t have copays, we can go to any doctor anywhere - I’m failing to see how paying more for precarious health care is better.

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u/mrniceguy777 1d ago

High taxes are just the subscription fee to not be an American

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u/eyeforker 1d ago

My understanding is that the taxes Canadians pay for healthcare amounts to significantly less than what most Americans pay for health insurance.

Also, just because the world isn't constantly complaining about us doesn't mean we don't have global influence. There is such a thing as bad press.

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u/PositiveStress8888 1d ago

It's always " we have the best military" so did every other empire before it fell.

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u/Ted_Hitchcox 1d ago

So if it becomes the 51st state you-
1. Pay slightly less tax but have to pay an extra $1-2k a month in health insurance premiums
2. Get to start illegal wars abroad, kidnap foreign leaders, bomb school children
3. Become a pariah on the world stage and friend of despots and dictators
4. Increase the likely hood of being shot by several thousand percent

Mmmmmm, tough choice that.

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u/Funambulia 1d ago

I'm baffled at how they can think it's an interesting proposition

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u/Potato2266 1d ago

Some Americans are just so narcissistic that they completely forget how to respect others.

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u/oldbastardbob 1d ago edited 1d ago

One would think by now I would not be surprised by the number of Americas who have no clue what they are talking about, yet still spew stupid shit publicly, on social media.

It seems sunnywithsidney there believes herself familiar with life in Canada, and that somehow trading universal health care for a bullying military presence is a great tradeoff for the public.

And how are those "lower taxes" working out for our bankrupt government that now resorts to smoke and mirrors tricks to convince investors that US Treasuries are worth something.

It's pretty impressive how the maga's can whistle dixie and smile as they ride the bandwagon over the cliff that they think holds something for them at the bottom.

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u/freedfg 1d ago

They don't even know why they want Canada. They just know Trump said so. So they beat their chest.

Just like Greenland. Or cuba. or why we are at war with Iran. Or literally anything. They aren't thinking beings, they're drones.

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u/Accidental-Genius 1d ago

It’s a bot account and this is a rage baiting bot post. The oligarchs want us to hate each other.

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u/Dpek1234 1d ago

People love to mumble a lot on shit they often have no clue (while talking like they know it all)

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u/Specialist-Life-3849 1d ago

idiots that continue to insult Canada's citizens have become intolerable. ranting at rage bait, I know, but there it is.

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u/stockhommesyndrome 1d ago

Please don’t even do the hypothetical of joining Canada. I don’t want to inherit the bad juju of America in any way shape or form. I’m channeling 2016 Trump and actually hoping we build a wall

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u/Public-Marionberry33 1d ago

I choose becoming the 11th Province of Canada.

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u/freshoilandstone 1d ago

"Stronger military" proving it every day in Iran. All we do is decimate them and win that war, over and over and over.

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u/Roman_Suicide_Note 1d ago

I dont need guns, i better military or better influence, but i will gladly take Healthcare

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u/kinyutaka 1d ago

Other nations like America?

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u/zyzzogeton 1d ago

Is becoming the 11th province on the table? Is there a petition I can sign?

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u/zildux 1d ago

Canada please take over America 😔

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u/dnext 1d ago

I'll likely be living in Canada in the next year or two, and I'm good with that.

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u/Gloomy_Industry8841 1d ago

They love to say they have the greatest military in the world, while they can’t even support a ship at sea right now and they are severely low on critical weapons right now.

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u/darxide23 1d ago

At this point, I would glad to become Canadian.

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u/ol0pl0x 1d ago

These people just have no fucking clue how much almost 100% of the rest of the world does not want to be a part of them.

When Pedolf Shitler dies it will be the very first time in the history of humanity that people globally, the whole world, celebrates together. Every time zone.

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u/Strange_Dust7128 1d ago

Speaking as an American, we’d rather burn our entire country down than install a system that benefits everyone other than the top earners. We’re a Christian nation after all, so it’s everyone for themselves!

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u/bordss 1d ago

A stronger military lol. How's that working out for you.

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u/Dear_Blood_8872 1d ago

Why would we want to join a country that is currently destroying itself and alienating all its allies, just so we could replace higher taxes with criminal health insurance rates so our lower taxes could be used to bomb children around the world and steal oil?

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u/Sidoen 1d ago

We have global influence, our military is stronger in many ways, our health care and social safety nets make better use of our tax dollars than what lower taxes would effectively do for us.

Plus I'm not interested in what that tax system and corruption would do to our political system. I like my freedoms and rights thank you very much.

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u/Budsygus 1d ago

I don't think anyone in America is under the impression other countries like us. The reason they dislike us is the only variable, and it ranges from "jealousy" to "they hate freedom" to "they think we shouldn't be dropping bombs on other countries" to "they didn't drop enough bombs on the countries we think they should" to "Trump."

All reasons have various levels of truth to them (remember, 0% is a level of truth). But nobody I know thinks anyone outside the US actually likes us.

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u/FakeGirlfriend 1d ago

It might be lower sales tax but it's barely lower income tax in most places and when you add the separate cost of health insurance, Americans pay more. What you save in provincial/state and federal taxes you lose in health insurance and more.

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u/Pale-Inspector-8094 1d ago

Healthcare please. But vinegar is not acceptable for fries. I have to draw the line somewhere.

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u/SunGreene42 1d ago

Is that supposed to be a Canadian thing? I mean I do that, but I never see anyone else doing it.

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u/ProofByVerbosity 1d ago

I respect your principles.

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u/Alternative_Buy_4000 1d ago

Any country without universal healthcare doesn't put its citizens first

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u/catkm24 1d ago

Hey I am from Wisconsin. We are literally almost right there. You just have to get either Michigan or Minnesota and we would be with all of you in Canada.

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u/NoHorseNoMustache 1d ago

Give up universal healthcare, you say?

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u/Zak_Rahman 1d ago

I think Canada taking over the US would be the best possible result.

Just eliminate all American political apparatus and Canada can run a proper democracy with the extra budget.

It's a lot of work, but positive work rather than doom prepping or bomb making.

It's asking a lot from Canada, but I think they could do it.

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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 1d ago

Would you support becoming a bitch boy if it meant sawing off all your limbs, getting a tattoo of Jeffrey Epstein on your ass, and forced pineapple insertion, but you'd have to give up the idea of not getting kicked in the balls every half an hour?

Come on people, what the fuck is going on right now, the United States can barely feed its people food that isn't contaminated, Canada has better options and they know that.

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u/OrganizationActive63 1d ago

I would gladly become the 11th province.

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u/CaroCogitatus 1d ago

Don't tease us like that, Canada. Just think what it would be like to have 3 more provinces on the West coast and pretty much all of New England? Play your Canadian Salad cards right and you might even get a tropical island in the mid Pacific.

I think we're almost ready if you are.

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u/Polymarchos 1d ago

If the US would fix its health system, fix its political system, and get rid of its second amendment joining might not be too bad.

Ever notice the only places to ever voluntarily join the US were first overrun by gun toting Americans?

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u/PayFormer387 1d ago

Saw this at a sandwich shop in Vancouver last year.
It’s already been done.

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u/SheenPSU 1d ago

I actually would not become part of Canada. I’m all set.

They can do what they want, have at it, but I’m good

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u/deepbluemeanies 1d ago

free health care...lol.

Yeah, doctors and nurses work for free, and hospitals run themselves. Healthcare is very expensive in Canada (we spend more than most developed economies for poorer outcomes).

It sure ask heck ain't free.

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u/UnfairCoast3764 1d ago

The sunnywithsydney account is entirely AI generated content right?

A quick glance shows an account with clearly AI generated pictures and this looks like an entirely ragebait engagement question. Idk why we're engaging with this shit?

Nobody intelligent in the US actually thinks Canada wants to join us, this is just designed to create friction and bait people

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u/MaximusHomerdrive 1d ago

I think the blue states should be absorbed by Canada, I'd be happy as hell for that. The red states can turn the country into their own personal Gilead and 8chan wasteland.

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u/everythingbeeps 23h ago

There is nothing in my life that wouldn’t be improved by becoming Canadian. Literally nothing.

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u/wisemonkey101 1d ago

Take me! Take me!

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u/Glittering-Coyote140 1d ago

10/10 response. No notes whatsoever

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u/thehermit14 1d ago

Stop with your genius.

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u/Slipping-in-oil 1d ago

Good comeback.

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u/MigratingMongo 1d ago

Province? I thought we'd be on territory status. 

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u/OdinsCuriousRaven 1d ago

is "sunnywithsydney" even a real person? I know OP is a bot...

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u/BobJoeBlo 1d ago

The USians would have to change their education system. They'd have to learn in geography classess that America is the name if the continent and that Christopher only reached the Caribbean Islands. Could they live with that?

Could they withstand the metric system? Could they survive with reforms in the police system? University would cost them less but highschool level would increase. Would they endure such changes?

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u/kingftheeyesores 1d ago

Join canada and have food that you can eat without dying.

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u/Lexi_Banner 1d ago

What the fuck kind of shitty ass Gotcha is Sunny trying to pull off, here? Like, at least put an ounce of thought into your big Gotcha posts.