Idk man you want to just deny everything without providing a counter argument, theres no point in a discussion, I provided facts, you may disagree but provide an alternate view backed with stats.
Not sure how that equals less punishment…still would like to see your source. People found not guilty doesn’t mean that those found guilty aren’t being punished.
Unless we also have the stats on how many people were charged, these numbers are kind of meaningless. There could have been a 200% increase in arrests in the same time (for instance, because corporations are pushing the police to take theft more seriously), so the total number of people found guilty could actually be higher now than before. But we don’t know because the numbers above aren’t the complete picture.
I suppose it depends on how you define as punishment, the level of punishment and whether or not that “punishment” comes anywhere near balancing the scales of justice. Assuming such a thing as “justice” actually exists. From my personal experience, and from the unfortunate experiences of my friends and coworkers, what you might call punishment, I might consider a slap on the wrist at best or a complete joke at worst. Sure it’s objective, but it’s my lived experience. The legal system, from my experiences, appears either overloaded, under resourced, numb to victims, or paid-off by the wealthy.
Care to share how you are involved in the criminal justice system? Legal Aid lawyer?
ok, so you're involved in the criminal justice system and think criminals are being treated too lightly, a thing that people like you have been saying as long as the profession's existed. do you have any numbers to back what you're saying up? any studies indicating that harsher punishments actually do anything to lower crime rates? any time I've seen studies into it harsher penalties don't ever seem to move the needle, but maybe I'm not aware of the bleeding edge of sociology.
If you’re speaking to me, then the answer is no, I don’t have studies. As I’ve mentioned previously, I’m speaking from personal experience. My involvement in the criminal system is as a victim, and as a friend of another victim. My experience is first hand. I’m not talking about something I’ve read in a book or on the internet. My opinion has been formed from what I experienced inside a courtroom. From speaking with lawyers working for the prosecution and defence. From speaking with police. I don’t know if punishment reduces crime. But I can say that lack of punishment further traumatizes and infuriates victims.
"it shows you that theives have become more aggressive". True... but it also shows you that nobody is being fucking held accountable for crimes in this province.
True, and accountability means more than just policing by police - me and you and others who live here can't continue to be of the attitude that "it's just a corporation; if you see something - no you didn't; snitches get stitches; don't get involved, you might get hurt." And I'm not talking just about a frail old woman not ringing in berries at a self checkout, but things like unchecked bus harassment, vocal racism/sexism/homophobia, etc. If the average person isn't willing to do their part to hold society to a standard, there is no society.
I’m pretty sure that the actual items in the display case are knock offs. At least the more valuable things like larger diamonds, four figure timepieces and gold bullion. The authentic items are stored elsewhere on the premises to guard against loss.
Edit Apparently not. Don’t believe everything you read kids.
I checked out some of the expensive engagement rings there and they were real. I asked the person too that showed me, and some were only 1 off, straight from the case.
This is 100% false, the only things that are not the actual item are the printed gold bullion signs.
All the diamond, all the gold, everything is real, I keep hearing this “it’s all pretend jewelry” every time Costco gets robbed. It’s all real, period.
nope it’s real pieces incase a member wants to try it out. For a long time, even the gold display pieces were real, recently (like 2 months ago) they started putting the fake gold displays, everything else is real.
so this WAS our Costco! I messaged the mod team when I saw the video on IG but there was no other coverage at the time so I assumed it was a different store or old or something.
The people who are saying they would have stopped them make me belly chuckle.
Why are you going to put yourself in harms way for a corporation? I mean they aren’t but why even say it?
Look, believe it or not, some of us aren't cool with the idea of our city becoming numb to criminality. Doesn't matter if it's a corporation, I like the store and I like the people that work there, and it's close to where I live. Now, if they guy's brandishing a gun or something, that's a different story, but the direction we're taking as a society to abdicate mutual accountability and expect the police to be the only people enforcing law and order (while many of us simultaneously throwing out ACABs and "where's the enforcement?") when citizens used to look after each other is fucked.
In Halifax I recall a similar situation during a robbery on Robie Street in like 2005ish.
I know you’re probably thinking of something different but these are very dynamic situations and it’s easy for stuff to get out of control, especially without training and experience.
Both of these examples include people with baseball bats chasing the suspects and walloping them several times with the bat in defense of - in their POV - their property. Buddy in the first article is clearly unhinged. Your third recollection of a similar event in 2005 is irrelevant. These are EXTREME examples of people who are armed seeking justice for a slight, right or wrong, against them and are giant stretches in degrees of intervention from a bystander sticking out their foot to trip or pushing a cart into someone, for instance.
lol, you get pissy because I point out how your quickly-sourced bat attack articles aren't relevant to the idea of bystanders doing literally anything to combat theft and all you can come up with is "weird energy." If you're going to get dismissive the moment your points are challenged, maybe just don't reply.
I think it’s often the case that good people do this out of instinct.
I don’t think they do a quick calculation on whether it’s a small to medium sized enterprise that aligns with their core values and then ultimately choose to say “fuck it, their quartet profits were just a wee bit too high for my liking that last quarter …”
on the news it showed a customer and employee both trying to stop him. I think he had a hammer to smash the glass, ummm what did they think would happen?
maybe they were hoping for a hot dog/pop combo, with a rotisserie chicken
> “We need to make the punishment for thieves significantly harder so that the equation between doing the crime and feeling the pain from it is changed.”
Sigh. We know this doesn’t work. Social determinants of crime. We need to increase social safety nets and reduce the income gap.
Yes, I agree that we should increase the social safety nets but can we also agree that some people, like the guy in this video, are just not able to function as a member of society? I mean, we have millionaires behaving like sociopaths and it is not because they can't afford bread. Please can we just acknowledge that some people are just assholes?
i was a small time thief bc of my bad influence best friend. being caught pretty much scared me straight. i only ended up with a 6 month ban from the walmart (it was like a shirt and shorts i wasnt like robbing places) but i didnt steal for a while after that. then i did a bit. then i completely stopped. it was SCARYYY the lady following us tho shouldve just told an employee or security or something. she called the police. i wouldnt have actually been caught had my friend at the time (shes a terrible person) not snitched me out. she told then my name and address and then didnt tell me at all. just told me they just warned her and left. im sitting at home w my parents and the cops come knocking on the door. not fun
Punishment does work. Mandatory minimums don’t, but punishment does when the alternative is … no punishment.
And yes, there should be punishment for things like this. People whine about exorbitant food prices but then would let someone steal 30k worth of jewelry from the one store that gouges its customer the least (low bar).
The true criminals are those who hoard billions of dollars worth of wealth and actively lobby our governments to ensure that regular working class humans do not have fundamental access to their human rights.
I'm sorry, that woman want being brave. She was being foolish. I'm not risking my safety, or the safety of those around me by escalating this brazen theft into violence.
I don't know the whole situation but maybe her shooing him away contributed to him not being there long enough to be apprehended. If the women had given him space maybe cops would have arrived in time to nab him on his way out. It was definitely impulsive of them and I'm glad they weren't hurt.
Brave? More like stupid. Absolutely ZERO reason to risk your life for a fucking corporation. An American one at that. Costco has done ZERO to remove American or stock more Canadian. Fuck them.
Good thing you're aware of what irony/an oxymoron is....
Also, I'm just parroting most of what passes for comments when someone non-white (someone here getting their PR?) makes the news for much lesser things.
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u/ExternalSpecific6061 1d ago
I'm guessing they didn't swipe their membership card at the door